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The Mule

recommendation: Tier 3.0*

The Mule is another new release with less than impressive visuals, though this time it feels more a result of budget than an intended aesthetic choice. The Australian smuggling caper takes place in 1983, so the softer definition is possibly intentional. Its average clarity is rougher than normal for a production filmed with Arri Alexa cameras. There isn't an abundance of high-end detail and everything lies relatively flat in the scope framing.
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The Royal Tenenbaums - Wes Anderson

La comparaison avec l'édition DVD ne laisse aucune chance à celle-ci tant elle accumulait les problèmes de compression, un rendu des couleurs complètement terne pour un aspect globalement très cru et bien trop vidéo. On oublie tout ça : l'upgrade est parmi les plus impressionnants de la collection pour un titre avec une base DVD aussi "bonne" (en opposition à un upgrade comme The Samurai Trilogy, où l'édition DVD était tout simplement in-regardable). Le rendu des couleurs est splendide, la définition excellente sans jamais fléchir, la compression est invisible, et la copie splendide de bout en bout. Tout juste pourra-t'on remarquer quelques légères vibrations colorimétriques à un moment ou deux.

La piste 5.1, elle, reste timorée, sauf lors des quelques envolées musicales, où elle devient alors plus enveloppante. Le reste du temps, le film n'étant pas vraiment propice à la démonstration de force, le rendu demeure frontal, avec un rendu très clair des dialogues, et une piste très propre (mais on en attend pas moins d'un film de 2001).

Image : 9.5/10
Son : 8.5/10
Film : 9/10

Rank : 1.5
The Royal Tenenbaums

recommendation: Tier 2.0

In practice my ranking is not far off from tenia54's score. I finally caught Criterion's superb edition for The Royal Tenenbaums and felt it landed in the twilight between Tiers 1 and 2. I could just have easily placed my score in 1.5 or 1.75 without much hesitation.

Criterion licensed the 2001 Wes Anderson film from Disney (Buena Vista) for a 2012 Blu-ray release. Most importantly, Criterion struck a new 2K film transfer from the original camera negative under the direct supervision of Wes Anderson. So few movies from the early 2000s have seen such a careful film transfer, The Royal Tenenbaums retains its warm yellow color scheme in this impressive presentation. A very strong AVC video encode at maximum bitrates delivers flawless picture quality.

The 1080P video is an immaculate, perfectly manicured presentation, bursting with fine detail. The rich contrast feels right at home in the densely saturated warm colors, a vivid display of authentic film fidelity. This transfer properly retains the abundant film texture, enhancing the fairly sharp cinematography.

Other than some very light ringing in a couple of shots (check the funeral near the end), it's a brilliant film transfer preserving the movie's high degree of clarity and solid definition.
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Anybody else feeling surprised/sad that 2014 did not produce anything to beat Monsters University (2013) in PQ?
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Anybody else feeling surprised/sad that 2014 did not produce anything to beat Monsters University (2013) in PQ?
I've been tempted, Get On Up is such a different kind of overwhelming quality than Monsters University that I considered for a moment recommending it as the champ. Sanity then prevailed.

I wouldn't necessarily read too much into the exact placements at the very top except my reluctance to place new entries there. Unless there is a near unanimous consensus from several users, I err on the side of caution for the very highest placements.

I've contemplated having a battle royale of the very best in this thread for better, more exacting rankings in Tier Zero (Blu). Something like the top twenty square off and let members here vote on the winners. Is there any interest in that idea as a one-time deal?
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Hi guys

I'm changing my score for Lucy to 1.5 following a second viewing tonight.

I changed my TV setting to Film mode which relaxed the contrast down and offered a much more enjoyable picture.
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The Equalizer

A sterling disc from Sony which offers razor sharp PQ, fantastic blacks and shadow detail, rounded off with excellent dimensionality. I couldn't really find much fault.

I think 2015 will be a great year for the PQ Tiers!

Tier 0.75
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Hi guys

I'm changing my score for Lucy to 1.5 following a second viewing tonight.

I changed my TV setting to Film mode which relaxed the contrast down and offered a much more enjoyable picture.
That's fine, one can always change their score in this thread. Anyone get Gone Girl?
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Hey Ya'll! Been awhile since I've been on. Been dealing with some health issues, but anyway, I figured I would check in.

Nice to see that there are quite a few top notch new releases for me to check out. Can't wait!

Also I did read that Ultra HD BD format has been finalized. I'm still not down with streaming so this is good news for the future (even though I don't plan on upgrading my ST60 anytime soon).

Haven't been able to view too many lately but here is a quick rundown of a few movies I have checked out recently...

How to Train a Dragon 2- Tier 0 (around the middle) -photorealism!

The Edge of Tomorrow- 1.50 -a bit disappointing but the audio was awesome!

Maleficent- Tier 0 (bottom half) -some stunning scenes!

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I think I speak for everyone in wishing you a complete recovery from your health issues.

I definitely hope Ultra HD succeeds as a commercial format, picture quality will invariably take a hit if streaming becomes the dominant home video platform. I've gotten so spoiled by the better Blu-rays that watching a movie via streaming is often painful. The supposed HD quality delivered by the various streaming platforms is tough to stomach after one has invested so much into a home theater.
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I've been tempted, Get On Up is such a different kind of overwhelming quality than Monsters University that I considered for a moment recommending it as the champ. Sanity then prevailed.

I wouldn't necessarily read too much into the exact placements at the very top except my reluctance to place new entries there. Unless there is a near unanimous consensus from several users, I err on the side of caution for the very highest placements.

I've contemplated having a battle royale of the very best in this thread for better, more exacting rankings in Tier Zero (Blu). Something like the top twenty square off and let members here vote on the winners. Is there any interest in that idea as a one-time deal?
That looks like an interesting idea. I would like to see what title would be king!
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^^^^^^^^

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Good to hear from you, but sorry to hear about your health issues. We surely do wish you well.

Yes, good news about Ultra HD! I'm also VERY EXCITED about OLED 4K, with LG leading the pack. Their 55" OLED 4K is down to $3500 now and I expect they'll continue to go down. Once there is a 75-85" on the market with a reasonable price, I'm going to buy that for my Home Theater and put my KURO in another room in our basement. There's nothing wrong with the KURO but I've been salivating over an 80" screen for a very long time and with OLED surpassing the plasma in every way I can't go wrong.

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I should have mentioned that LG's 55" OLED is NOT 4K, but they do have a 65" OLED 4K selling currently for $9,999 at Amazon. Prices will surely drop significantly in the next year or two and I am hoping the 4k 77" they will be marketing will come down to an affordable price at some point.

Reviews, by Sound & Vision and others, are saying the LG OLED is BY FAR the best flat panel they've ever seen, with blacks that are COMPLETELY black, contrast that is off the charts, and unrivaled colors. Their 4K offerings at the recent CES were praised highly. The only "unknown" with OLED is its longevity. We know plasmas and LEDs have a very long lifespan but how long will an OLED display last? That's the $64,000 question looming on the horizon.

I should mention one more thing. We are hearing a lot these days about HDR....High Dynamic Range, with unbelievable bright displays due to unheard of contrast levels. That too is something I hope the OLED displays will incorporate into their technology, for as great as the LG OLED is in the contrast department, it pales in comparison to those with HDR.

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I'll be watching to see how 4K displays handle native 1080P content.
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That looks like an interesting idea. I would like to see what title would be king!
Hugo would get my vote for top of Tier 0

The best combination of clarity and beauty that I've seen.
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...I've contemplated having a battle royale of the very best in this thread for better, more exacting rankings in Tier Zero (Blu). Something like the top twenty square off and let members here vote on the winners. Is there any interest in that idea as a one-time deal?
Suggest breaking the top-PQ Blu Tier (maybe others) into animated versus camera-shot movies, then. While thread has been PQ-only, I'd prefer distinguishing between (mostly) computer-crafted images and others, even though images can be a blend. -- John
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Suggest breaking the top-PQ Blu Tier (maybe others) into animated versus camera-shot movies, then. While thread has been PQ-only, I'd prefer distinguishing between (mostly) computer-crafted images and others, even though images can be a blend. -- John
This is a couple of years old by now so it doesn't contain the latest updates, but I did just that in these two posts:

The New PQ Tier thread for Blu-Ray - Discussion

The New PQ Tier thread for Blu-Ray - Discussion

If I find the time, I could possibly update those lists and tack them on the bottom of the current Tiers. I've thought about color coding Tier Zero titles to differentiate between animation and live-action, but I am worried it would become an unreadable mess. I've always believed Tier Zero drove a lot of the traffic checking out the PQ Tiers.


For those into nostalgia, here was the last update to the PQ Tiers before it became so large we had to start alphabetizing each tier below 0. That means the entire list was ranked in absolute visual order from top to bottom! September 26, 2008:

The New PQ Tier thread for Blu-Ray - Sept. 26, 2008
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Just ordered A Walk Among The Tombstones....will report back in a couple of days!
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The Equalizer

A sterling disc from Sony which offers razor sharp PQ, fantastic blacks and shadow detail, rounded off with excellent dimensionality. I couldn't really find much fault.

I think 2015 will be a great year for the PQ Tiers!

Tier 0.75
I agree with this placement.

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I agree with this placement.
Letting everyone know that posts like this one still get counted in the final tally. I presume fredxr2d2 feels The Equalizer belongs around three-quarters of the way down in Tier Zero, which is why I count them.

Justice League: Throne of Atlantis

recommendation: Tier 2.5*

After briefly flirting with better compression parameters once they fully committed to AVC as their codec of choice, Warner Bros. in the past year continues their downward path back to the gutter. If people don't understand the process, most video encodes outside of the biggest new blockbusters released by the studios are left unchecked by human operators. That is fine when compression bitrates average in the 30s, as Paramount and Fox decided a few years ago. Likely due to cost cutting, they decided by fiat to lower compression rates on their Blu-rays. This disc went terribly wrong, the animation's generally shoddy quality is not helped by mediocre compression full of banding and even chroma noise.

Throne of Atlantis' animation itself is the worst-looking direct-to-video DC film yet. It is fairly clear to me either the animation budget has been slashed or they need to switch animation houses. For movies that were once touching on Tier Zero, the declining video quality is disappointing.
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Thanks Phantom! That is exactly what I meant and what I hoped you would count.

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Paranoia

If you can put up with the rather disappointing plot/story-line and underwhelming acting (from some BIG NAME actors, mind you), you will at least be rewarded with some very pleasing EYE CANDY!

I'm going to keep this short. This one was SHARP from the opening scene to the rolling credits, with outstanding BLACK LEVELS & SHADOW DETAILS, spot-on FLESH TONES, warm & vibrant COLORS, appreciable DEPTH, and spectacular DETAILS. It also featured many gorgeous aerial views of the Big Apple and some lush scenery in the Hamptons. The only censure would be the "to-be-expected" orange and teal hues, but in reality they were quite minimal and did NOT affect details or flesh tones. If the facial details had been consistently good, I might have opted for low Tier 0, but they weren't reference quality and even veered into Tier 2 at times, so my vote goes for....

Tier Recommendation: 1.25*

Viewed from 7.5' using the equipment listed below....
Really enjoyed the PQ here

Tier 1.5
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Thanks everyone for the well wishes!

As far as TV tech goes I agree with much that has been said, and I too am excited about the prospects of 4k OLED as I am still not impressed with LED/LCD.

I will squeeze plenty more out of my Panny Plasma before prices on a 80 plus inch OLED drop to affordable prices. I think its silly to buy a 4k LED right now and I would confidently put my ST60 up against any of them for pure PQ.

I also am not in any rush to upgrade to 4k until the ultra hd blurays are available and the displays can take FULL advantage of the format including increased color space and HDR, etc. Although HFR (high frame rate) does not interest me much.

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That sounds very sensible, wattheF. I will likely stall on the 4K transition until everything is worked out.


The Disappearance of Eleanor Rigby (Them Version)


recommendation: Tier 1.75*

This new release features very mature, sophisticated cinematography. It is definitely Oscar bait in terms of craft, including a very precise color timing that subtly changes depending on the character. The scope composition is elegantly shot with excellent definition and depth.

Distributed by Starz for the Weinstein Company, the two-hour film is given most of a BD-50 in a nearly flawless AVC video encode. The transfer is perfect, lacking deleterious video processing such as edge enhancement. This is crisp picture quality with a darker contrast.
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