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post #22591 of 22610 Old 05-22-2015, 08:01 PM
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Sorry, I probably won't be commenting about American Sniper on Blu-ray anytime soon. I have many other things ahead of it at the moment in my personal queue.

Late Phases: Night of the Lone Wolf

recommendation: Tier 2.25*

Late Phases is a low-budget independent film. It does use newer digital video for suitably decent picture quality, though there are a couple of issues. Some banding and minor chroma noise leak into the video encode. More concerning are the focal issues inherent to the digital cinematography. The sharp video over-uses bokeh, causing more softness than is necessary outside of the focal spot. It looks a bit out of place at times.

Clarity and definition are good enough for Tier One but its issues drag the rating down to Tier Two.

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Birdman of Alcatraz

recommendation: Tier 3.75*

The 1962 film was released as a limited edition by Twilight Time. They've licensed the HD master from MGM, Birdman's owner. This is a passable film transfer with decent enough definition. The black-and-white film isn't incredibly sharp. The contrast is strong enough. Some minor fluctuations in luminosity occasionally affect it.

This is not 1080P video loaded with an abundance of fine detail. The 1.66:1 presentation is mostly film-like with unaltered grain. Some thin halos are fairly prominent in specific parts of the film. The telecine transfer does not look to have been filtered, though it may very well be a few years older than better film scans. Twilight Time has encoded it in AVC on a BD-50. Aside from a few scattered examples of noise, the encode replicates the grain structure without much problem.

I was mostly satisfied by this Blu-ray presentation. It's not a 4K scan from restored elements but certainly shows improvements in clarity and definition over DVD. The print doesn't have damage to it. Black levels are okay but do not expect inky perfection in them.

Bob Dylan: The 30th Anniversary Concert Celebration

recommendation: Tier 3.5*

The interlaced 1080i video is slightly softer than we've come to expect from modern digital video. You can tell this concert went the extra mile to make sure the video footage would look very good. The stage has perfect lighting and excellent camera work.

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Tier 0


While not the top of the tier, I think this one falls into the middle of the animated titles pack. It was clear and wonderful looking, but didn't have any truly outstanding moments like Monster's University and the like.

I recommend a rental at least as it was a more entertaining film (IMO) than any of the other Madagascar films. But I preferred the Penguins in those movies as well.
I agree with my colleague that this isn't going to dethrone any of the top Tier Blu titles, but I have to say it was still a stellar viewing. Regarding not having "any truly outstanding moments," there are a few scenes that had my jaw on the floor. A case in point would be at about the 45 minute mark where the penguins are in a life raft out at sea; the DEPTH is simply amazing, along with mesmerizing COLORS and exquisite DETAILS. I'm not exactly sure where "the middle of the animated pack is" (that's where fred was assigning it), but IMHO it should go right about here....

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (Right below Despicable Me 2)

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So the KURO is back in action at tip-top shape? The Madagascar films have brilliant color saturation.

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Yes, the KURO is back in true form and still creating AWE when viewing good source material. I might have been guilty of taking its exceptional PQ for granted, but after watching two small LCD/LED screens for over two weeks I am once again appreciating the "natural" picture that a plasma gives you.

I concur with you about the Madagascar films. They have beautiful, saturated colors. This last outing doesn't compare to Madagascar 3 in that category, but it has its moments!

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In honor of Memorial Day, the Blu-ray Picture Quality Tiers have been updated by myself. This time there were nearly 150 scores since January, including many new faces that I hope come back.

The update reflects all entries through May 24, 2015.

As always, any member may contact me directly for corrections or a missing score via private message or visitor message on my profile page. If there is a mistake or missing entry of yours, feel free to contact me.

I have also fixed the problem with all the Tier buttons like the ones I've made below, so jumping around on the page is as simple as clicking on any Tier number once again!

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-bl...a.html#anchor0

Tier 0 - Blu Tier 1 - Gold Tier 2.0 - Silver Tier 3.0 - Bronze Tier 4.0 - Copper Tier 5.0 - Coal
0 - 1 - 1.25 - 1.5 - 1.75 - 2 - 2.25 - 2.5 - 2.75 - 3 - 3.25 - 3.5 - 3.75 - 4 - 4.5 - 5 -
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I notice Godzilla (2014) has received a promotion. Why?
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In honor of Memorial Day, the Blu-ray Picture Quality Tiers have been updated by myself. This time there were nearly 150 scores since January, including many new faces that I hope come back.

The update reflects all entries through May 24, 2015.

As always, any member may contact me directly for corrections or a missing score via private message or visitor message on my profile page. If there is a mistake or missing entry of yours, feel free to contact me.

I have also fixed the problem with all the Tier buttons like the ones I've made below, so jumping around on the page is as simple as clicking on any Tier number once again!

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-bl...a.html#anchor0

Tier 0 - Blu Tier 1 - Gold Tier 2.0 - Silver Tier 3.0 - Bronze Tier 4.0 - Copper Tier 5.0 - Coal
0 - 1 - 1.25 - 1.5 - 1.75 - 2 - 2.25 - 2.5 - 2.75 - 3 - 3.25 - 3.5 - 3.75 - 4 - 4.5 - 5 -
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I notice Godzilla (2014) has received a promotion. Why?
There were several new qualified scores in this thread for Godzilla since the time of the last update, which improved its ranking. The PQ Tiers always reflect the summary of all scores from this thread. Some older ranked discs can move up or down if the new scores substantially change things.

I would love more feedback on the top BDs in Tier Blu. Consider Big Hero 6 and Monsters University as co-champions, there was a split decision favoring the new contender. We probably need more opinions on Paddington and a couple of others.

bb nf Big Hero 6 Video: AVC | Audio: DTS-HD MA 7.1 | AR: 2.40:1 | Disney
bb nf Monsters University Video: AVC | Audio: 7.1 Dolby TrueHD | AR: 1.78:1 | Disney
bb nf Rio 2 Video: AVC | Audio: DTS-HD MA 7.1 | AR: 2.40:1 | Fox
bb nf The Smurfs 2 Video: AVC | Audio: DTS-HD MA | AR: 1.85:1 | Sony
bb nf Toy Story 3 Video: AVC | Audio: DTS-HD MA 7.1 | AR: 1.85:1 | Disney
bb nf Paddington Video: AVC | Audio: DTS-HD MA | AR: 2.40:1 | Starz / Anchor Bay
bb nf Madagascar 3: Europe's Most Wanted Video: AVC | Audio: TrueHD 7.1 | AR: 1.78:1 | DreamWorks
bb nf The Croods Video: AVC | Audio: 7.1 DTS-HD MA | AR: 2.35:1 | DreamWorks
bb nf Legend Of The Guardians: Owls Of Ga'Hoole Video: AVC | Audio: DTS-HD MA | AR: 2.35:1 | Warner
bb nf A Christmas Carol (2009) Video: AVC | Audio: DTS-HD MA | AR: 2.40:1 | Disney
bb nf Turbo Video: AVC | Audio: 7.1 DTS-HD MA | AR: 2.35:1 | DreamWorks
bb nf Black Sails: The Complete First Season Video: AVC | Audio: Dolby TrueHD 7.1 | AR: 1.78:1 | Starz / Anchor Bay
bb nf A Bug's Life Video: AVC | Audio: DTS-HD MA | AR: 2.35:1 | Disney
bb nf Avatar Video: AVC | Audio: DTS-HD MA | AR: 1.78:1 | Fox
bb nf Life Of Pi Video: AVC | Audio: DTS-HD MA | AR: 1.85:1 | Fox

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I feel compelled to clarify something I said in earlier posts recently. I had commented on how my plasma gives me a much better viewing experience than the LCD or LED I own. If I offended anyone who owns an LCD/LED I am truly sorry, for I never meant to. I do believe LCD/LEDs have come a long way in PQ, but they still have the "off-axis" viewing limitations, and many of them do not offer the black levels that you get in a plasma (though some LEDs with Full Array Local Dimming look excellent). After owning a plasma for going on 7 years I'm so accustomed to that technology's benefits that I tend to come across as too critical of the LCD/LED displays.

So, has anyone out there seen American Sniper yet?

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Moonlighting (1982)

recommendation: Tier 2.75*

Moonlighting receives a fairly strong film transfer in a faithful film-like presentation. Released by niche distributor B2MP, the 1982 British film hits Blu-ray for the first time with strong clarity and decent definition. The 97-minute main feature is encoded in AVC, averaging 24 Mbps on a BD-25. Independent releases often struggle obtaining decent film elements. B2MP produces a new, high-grade film scan from elements in nearly perfect condition. The video is presented at 1080P resolution in the movie’s intended 1.78:1 aspect ratio.

The recent film transfer exhibits strong, unfiltered fine detail. A hint of sharpening is the only sign of any overt processing. The transparent AVC video encode handles the moderate grain structure without breaking into artifacts. Moonlighting’s overall palette is somewhat drab but its color saturation remains strong with fine color reproduction. The neutral contrast is backed by solid black levels most of the time. Flesh-tones aren’t overly warm.

Moonlighting’s detailed video has pleasing definition, perfectly encapsulating cinematographer Tony Pierce Roberts’ excellent cinematography. For a movie made on the cheap, the entire production is a high-quality effort marked by its professionalism. It doesn’t strive to be the sharpest film around but fares quite well in comparison to other European productions from the era on Blu-ray. You can’t ask for a much better job on Moonlighting. This Blu-ray presentation shows a very dramatic improvement over DVD-quality video in actual resolution and depth.

Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Moonlighting
Disc Size:      24,427,612,423 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 1:37:19.875 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   23,746,179,072 bytes
Total Bitrate:          32.53 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        23998 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
LPCM Audio                      English         2304 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit
LPCM Audio                      English         2304 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit
LPCM Audio                      English         2304 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         23.165 kbps                     

FILES:

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00000.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:37:19.875     23,746,179,072  32,530          

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1                0:00:00.000     1:37:19.875     23,998 kbps     38,936 kbps      01:21:16.997    37,888 kbps     00:43:46.457    37,792 kbps      00:43:41.285    125,115 bytes   395,422 bytes   01:06:58.681    

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00000.M2TS       4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                      5839.709                23,999                  17,518,266,465   95,289,488      
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x80             LPCM            eng (English)           5839.709                 2,310                   1,686,555,716   9,343,813       
00000.M2TS       4353 (0x1101)   0x80            LPCM            eng (English)            5839.709                2,310                   1,686,558,788    9,343,816       
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00000.M2TS       4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)            5839.709                23                      16,910,452       97,557

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There were several new qualified scores in this thread for Godzilla since the time of the last update, which improved its ranking. The PQ Tiers always reflect the summary of all scores from this thread. Some older ranked discs can move up or down if the new scores substantially change things.

I would love more feedback on the top BDs in Tier Blu. Consider Big Hero 6 and Monsters University as co-champions, there was a split decision favoring the new contender. We probably need more opinions on Paddington and a couple of others.
I recently ordered Big Hero 6, Foxcather, The Wire Boxset, '71, Ex Machina, Big Eyes and A Most violent Year. Those reviews will be coming up in june.

Do not own Paddington or Monsters University, so no comparisons yet. Will look into those.
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I feel compelled to clarify something I said in earlier posts recently. I had commented on how my plasma gives me a much better viewing experience than the LCD or LED I own. If I offended anyone who owns an LCD/LED I am truly sorry, for I never meant to. I do believe LCD/LEDs have come a long way in PQ, but they still have the "off-axis" viewing limitations, and many of them do not offer the black levels that you get in a plasma (though some LEDs with Full Array Local Dimming look excellent). After owning a plasma for going on 7 years I'm so accustomed to that technology's benefits that I tend to come across as too critical of the LCD/LED displays.

So, has anyone out there seen American Sniper yet?
Not me, yet. I have it coming from a giveaway I won, so it should get here sometime next week. Wife wants to see it, so if we can carve out some time we could watch it next weekend. I am sure you will have had the opportunity to see it by then.

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I noticed Her dropped from Tier 0 to Tier 2.0. That's quite a harsh drop!

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I noticed Her dropped from Tier 0 to Tier 2.0. That's quite a harsh drop!
A single score had put it in Tier 0. A couple of newer opinions had it scored much lower. I haven't seen Her myself.

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A single score had put it in Tier 0. A couple of newer opinions had it scored much lower. I haven't seen Her myself.
That makes sense then. The only way I knew it had dropped is I keep a list of Tier 0 movies in my personal collection.

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Not me, yet. I have it coming from a giveaway I won, so it should get here sometime next week. Wife wants to see it, so if we can carve out some time we could watch it next weekend. I am sure you will have had the opportunity to see it by then.
I was able to rent a copy this morning and I plan to watch it tonight! I will look forward to hearing from you after you and your wife watch it.

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'Her' done absolutely nothing for me PQ wise.
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