The New PQ Tier thread for Blu-Ray - Discussion - Page 795 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 491Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #23821 of 23836 Old 06-08-2017, 01:45 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Phantom Stranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Between the known and the unknown...
Posts: 4,192
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 408 Post(s)
Liked: 293
Juice

recommendation: Tier 2.25*

Paramount is back in the business of issuing their own catalog properties and one of the first efforts is this 25th anniversary edition for Juice. This is a nearly perfect film transfer for the 1992 production, receiving some of the best color correction I've seen lately. The film was never super-sharp but everything in the film elements have been brought out in crisp clarity. Improved contrast, solid black levels, appropriate saturation and fleshtones, Juice looks relatively great for its material.

Some things will be changing when the next PQ Tiers' update comes. Some issues have arisen using SuprSlow's account, so I will be re-creating the entire master list in a new thread. It shouldn't affect the content of them at all but everyone will have to change their bookmarks and links.

AVSforum's Blu-ray Picture Quality Rankings (Updated through May 30, 2016)
Phantom Stranger is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #23822 of 23836 Old 06-08-2017, 08:13 PM
Member
 
Kool-aid23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 81
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post
Juice

recommendation: Tier 2.25*

...Some things will be changing when the next PQ Tiers' update comes. Some issues have arisen using SuprSlow's account, so I will be re-creating the entire master list in a new thread. It shouldn't affect the content of them at all but everyone will have to change their bookmarks and links.

Thanks for all the work you do. Have you decided on which tiers you will update?
Kool-aid23 is offline  
post #23823 of 23836 Old 06-08-2017, 09:54 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Phantom Stranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Between the known and the unknown...
Posts: 4,192
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 408 Post(s)
Liked: 293
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kool-aid23 View Post
Thanks for all the work you do. Have you decided on which tiers you will update?
Depending on my schedule, I still have hope everything gets updated.

AVSforum's Blu-ray Picture Quality Rankings (Updated through May 30, 2016)
Phantom Stranger is offline  
 
post #23824 of 23836 Old 06-10-2017, 06:10 PM
Senior Member
 
DarthDoxie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Rocky Mountains
Posts: 201
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
Liked: 71
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

recommendation: Tier 1.75*

Agree with everything djoberg said about this film...opening and closing scenes are excellent with the middle part a little softer.

As for the sound... I only have a 5.1 setup and I swear there were sounds coming from the ceiling and even originating from the middle of the room, just spectacular and no other soundtrack has given my system such a workout. The LFE in the final action scene was reference and even better than Gravity.
djoberg and fredxr2d2 like this.

OPPO UDP-203 -- Denon 1613 -- BIC America F12 Sub -- SVS Prime LCR

I find your lack of schadenfreude disturbing.

Last edited by DarthDoxie; 06-11-2017 at 05:26 PM.
DarthDoxie is offline  
post #23825 of 23836 Old 06-11-2017, 05:43 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Phantom Stranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Between the known and the unknown...
Posts: 4,192
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 408 Post(s)
Liked: 293
Man of La Mancha

recommendation: Tier 3.0*

Shout Factory licensed this from MGM and put it out a little over a month ago. The 1972 Arthur Hiller-directed musical gets an older HD transfer from serviceable film elements. Murky shadow delineation and soft grain reproduction mark this 1.85:1 presentation.

Its definition and clarity are what we've come to expect from an older MGM film that hasn't seen the benefit of a new restoration. Shout Factory encodes it in perfect AVC on a BD-50. A trace of sharpening is visible. The video is free of overt damage and wear, though better fine detail is limited to close-ups.

AVSforum's Blu-ray Picture Quality Rankings (Updated through May 30, 2016)
Phantom Stranger is offline  
post #23826 of 23836 Old 06-13-2017, 12:00 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Phantom Stranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Between the known and the unknown...
Posts: 4,192
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 408 Post(s)
Liked: 293
Steins; Gate: The Movie

recommendation: Tier 2.25*

Funimation finally got to put out this 2013 movie sequel to the beloved anime series earlier this year. The animation sticks very closely to the original series' look and aesthetic. Having previously ranked that series in Tier 2.0 some years ago, Tier 2.25 feels more correct for the movie. I suspect if I re-watched the original series it would fall a bit in the rankings.

There are some technical improvements. Banding was an issue on the original series. This is a much stronger AVC encode this time, averaging over 21 Mbps. It's a much smoother, slightly punchier presentation.

AVSforum's Blu-ray Picture Quality Rankings (Updated through May 30, 2016)
Phantom Stranger is offline  
post #23827 of 23836 Old 06-13-2017, 06:27 PM
Senior Member
 
DarthDoxie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Rocky Mountains
Posts: 201
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
Liked: 71
Son of Frankenstein

recommendation: Tier 3.0*

Good all around black and white film, the scene transitions are a little soft.
Phantom Stranger likes this.

OPPO UDP-203 -- Denon 1613 -- BIC America F12 Sub -- SVS Prime LCR

I find your lack of schadenfreude disturbing.
DarthDoxie is offline  
post #23828 of 23836 Old 06-15-2017, 07:17 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 76
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 46 Post(s)
Liked: 25
John Wick Chapter 2 - UHD w/HDR


Recommendation: Tier 0.75


The subject matter doesn't lend itself to scoring very highly in my opinion. The movie is ~75% low lit scenes with muted color palette. However, what is there is pristine. In the occasions where the additional color and brightness comes into play, this movie contains some of the best scenes I've ever seen. Black levels are solid through out, and details are solid being a 4k release.


About 3/4 thru the movie John Wick is fighting thru an art gallery with bright signs, lights, and a mirror room. During this approximately 15-20 minute scene, contrast of color and light skyrockets and would easily be one of my top 5 demos to show off.


If you happen to have a 4K tv and HDR capable, you won't be disappointed. I really hope this is how HDR is handled in more movies. Don't need searing brightness, give bright highlights with very deep blacks against multiple colors to show massive contrast. But on the other side, if the scene doesn't call for it, don't blow it out for no reason.
JNayAV is online now  
post #23829 of 23836 Old 06-19-2017, 12:11 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Phantom Stranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Between the known and the unknown...
Posts: 4,192
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 408 Post(s)
Liked: 293
Little Witch Academia: The Enchanted Parade

recommendation: Tier 1.0*

Little Witch Academia has absolutely gorgeous animation inspired by classic French and Disney animators. This flawless import set from Japan is a stunning showcase of traditional hand-drawn animation, particularly the first OVA. Theatrical animation would usually have 2000-3000 key frames for a movie of this length. The first Little Witch Academia OVA has around 17,000 key frames. That translates to some of the most fluid animation seen since the halcyon days of Walt Disney's early classics.

This is not a cheap Blu-ray set but it captures some of the finest hand-drawn animation to ever hit 1080P video.

AVSforum's Blu-ray Picture Quality Rankings (Updated through May 30, 2016)
Phantom Stranger is offline  
post #23830 of 23836 Old Yesterday, 03:02 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
djoberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: West Central Minnesota
Posts: 5,254
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Liked: 853
Just a note to inform you that I'm still in the land of the living!

I rented John Wick 2 and Logan from Redbox today and plan to watch them tonight. Stay tuned!

Sony XBR75X940D...Philips BDP 7501...Samsung BD-H5900...Toshiba HD-A30...Dish Hopper 3...Onkyo TX-NR717...Sony CDP-C725...Sennheiser HD 570...Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro...Harmony One Remote

Cambridge Soundworks MC305 Fronts & Center...Cambridge Soundworks Ambiance Surrounds....SVS PC12-NSD
djoberg is online now  
post #23831 of 23836 Old Yesterday, 05:20 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Phantom Stranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Between the known and the unknown...
Posts: 4,192
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 408 Post(s)
Liked: 293
I was wondering if you had gone on one of your extended trips again. It's always good hearing you have more discs in the queue lined up for viewing.

Trespass

recommendation: Tier 2.75*

Shout Factory licensed this Bill Paxton and Ice-T actioner. This is a solid, no-frills presentation of the 1992 movie. It doesn't have stunning video quality but represents an adequate improvement in detail and definition over DVD.

The film elements are in great condition. The steady contrast is fine, if a bit lacking in extraordinary pop and warmth. Some mild filtering is possible. Grain reproduction is fairly average. The high-frequency content lacks that razor-sharp clarity and detail often seen in brand-new HD transfers.

AVSforum's Blu-ray Picture Quality Rankings (Updated through May 30, 2016)
Phantom Stranger is offline  
post #23832 of 23836 Old Yesterday, 05:27 PM
Member
 
Kool-aid23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 81
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quick question Phantom, currently (without having to update the entire list) looking at the votes, what are the top three PQ titles?
Kool-aid23 is offline  
post #23833 of 23836 Old Yesterday, 05:40 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Phantom Stranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Between the known and the unknown...
Posts: 4,192
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 408 Post(s)
Liked: 293
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kool-aid23 View Post
Quick question Phantom, currently (without having to update the entire list) looking at the votes, what are the top three PQ titles?
That's a good question that I really don't have a quick answer for.

I've been currently grinding my way through the upcoming update but it's not even half done. There is progress being made, slowly but surely. Everyone will know once it's posted.
Hughmc likes this.

AVSforum's Blu-ray Picture Quality Rankings (Updated through May 30, 2016)
Phantom Stranger is offline  
post #23834 of 23836 Old Yesterday, 06:22 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
djoberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: West Central Minnesota
Posts: 5,254
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Liked: 853
John Wick 2

The review below (of the UHD/HDR version) mirrors what I saw in the 1080p version. In fact, I kept saying to myself, "I've got to get the 4K version if it actually looks better than this." In reading several "expert" reviews online, they all, without exception, said the 4K UHD version resulted in even finer details, blacker blacks, and more vibrant colors. Again, this is hard to envision, for the 1080p version was PURE EYE CANDY.

The only thing I would add is that facial details were as good as they can get. I've seen dozens of UHD/HDR titles (my current library consists of over 30 releases) and nothing will top what I just saw (though they do may indeed be "equal" to it). Shadow details were also topnotch. As JNayAV said, the "black levels and details were solid" with a majority of its 2 hour running time to showcase them. I was simply mesmerized by them all the way through!

As with the 1st installment, there was a lot of color-grading sprinkled throughout, but thankfully it didn't hinder details, depth, clarity or even flesh tones (except in a couple of instances with glowing "orange hues"). There was also some "black crush" at times (most notable in black suits), but the action was so fast that I didn't find myself distracted by it.

Okay, he nominated the UHD title for Tier 0 (.75) and I'm inclined to vote for the very same spot. Mind you, this is the 1080p version so I suspect I would be opting for at least .5 if this were the UHD version.

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (.75)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JNayAV View Post
John Wick Chapter 2 - UHD w/HDR


Recommendation: Tier 0.75


The subject matter doesn't lend itself to scoring very highly in my opinion. The movie is ~75% low lit scenes with muted color palette. However, what is there is pristine. In the occasions where the additional color and brightness comes into play, this movie contains some of the best scenes I've ever seen. Black levels are solid through out, and details are solid being a 4k release.


About 3/4 thru the movie John Wick is fighting thru an art gallery with bright signs, lights, and a mirror room. During this approximately 15-20 minute scene, contrast of color and light skyrockets and would easily be one of my top 5 demos to show off.


If you happen to have a 4K tv and HDR capable, you won't be disappointed. I really hope this is how HDR is handled in more movies. Don't need searing brightness, give bright highlights with very deep blacks against multiple colors to show massive contrast. But on the other side, if the scene doesn't call for it, don't blow it out for no reason.

Sony XBR75X940D...Philips BDP 7501...Samsung BD-H5900...Toshiba HD-A30...Dish Hopper 3...Onkyo TX-NR717...Sony CDP-C725...Sennheiser HD 570...Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro...Harmony One Remote

Cambridge Soundworks MC305 Fronts & Center...Cambridge Soundworks Ambiance Surrounds....SVS PC12-NSD
djoberg is online now  
post #23835 of 23836 Old Yesterday, 09:44 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
djoberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: West Central Minnesota
Posts: 5,254
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Liked: 853
Logan

After just viewing John Wick 2 (with its amazing PQ!) I was somewhat disappointed with this title. This one lacked the overall clarity and exceptional details that were on display throughout JW2. The black levels weren't as good either and there was some softness, especially in the opening scenes.

On the plus side, there were a number of daytime scenes that really POPPED with tons of details, superb depth, good colors, accurate flesh tones, and striking depth.

Tier Recommendation: 1.5*

PS I never really got into the movie. I was somewhat shocked at the gratuitous violence and pervasive language...not your typical X-Men film!

Sony XBR75X940D...Philips BDP 7501...Samsung BD-H5900...Toshiba HD-A30...Dish Hopper 3...Onkyo TX-NR717...Sony CDP-C725...Sennheiser HD 570...Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro...Harmony One Remote

Cambridge Soundworks MC305 Fronts & Center...Cambridge Soundworks Ambiance Surrounds....SVS PC12-NSD
djoberg is online now  
post #23836 of 23836 Old Today, 02:16 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
djoberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: West Central Minnesota
Posts: 5,254
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Liked: 853
xXx: Return of Xander Cage

For those who are familiar with this Franchise, you know that this is a highly "stylized" film which employs heavy doses of over-saturated colors as well as extreme color-grading. I didn't mind the over-saturated colors, but the color-grading wreaked havoc on flesh-tones and hindered details. There was a night scene starting at the 41 minute mark that lasted 14 minutes that had "orange hues" resulting in the aforementioned problems. That scene also featured poor to average black levels, some instances of noise, and recurring softness. It was UGLY!

Okay, now that I've dealt with the "negatives" I would be remiss if I didn't bring out some "positives." Details were insane at times, especially in all of the outdoor, daytime scenes. Facial details were topnotch, but so were details in foliage, furniture, clothing, tattoos, etc., etc. Depth was "3D-like" at times. Colors were dazzling. Blacks were great. Clarity was razor-sharp.

This is another "hard call," but I'm inclined to put it right here...

Tier Recommendation: 1.75*

PS I know some will take exception with my rating; in fact, some may be wanting this in Tier 0 or, at the very least, in the top of Tier 1. But IMHO when you have a 14 minute scene like the one I described above, it deserves to be docked a whole tier.

PPS Next up...Get Out.

Sony XBR75X940D...Philips BDP 7501...Samsung BD-H5900...Toshiba HD-A30...Dish Hopper 3...Onkyo TX-NR717...Sony CDP-C725...Sennheiser HD 570...Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro...Harmony One Remote

Cambridge Soundworks MC305 Fronts & Center...Cambridge Soundworks Ambiance Surrounds....SVS PC12-NSD
djoberg is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Blu-ray Software

Tags
High Definition , Blu Ray Movies



Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off