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Juice

recommendation: Tier 2.25*

Paramount is back in the business of issuing their own catalog properties and one of the first efforts is this 25th anniversary edition for Juice. This is a nearly perfect film transfer for the 1992 production, receiving some of the best color correction I've seen lately. The film was never super-sharp but everything in the film elements have been brought out in crisp clarity. Improved contrast, solid black levels, appropriate saturation and fleshtones, Juice looks relatively great for its material.

Some things will be changing when the next PQ Tiers' update comes. Some issues have arisen using SuprSlow's account, so I will be re-creating the entire master list in a new thread. It shouldn't affect the content of them at all but everyone will have to change their bookmarks and links.

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recommendation: Tier 2.25*

...Some things will be changing when the next PQ Tiers' update comes. Some issues have arisen using SuprSlow's account, so I will be re-creating the entire master list in a new thread. It shouldn't affect the content of them at all but everyone will have to change their bookmarks and links.

Thanks for all the work you do. Have you decided on which tiers you will update?
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Thanks for all the work you do. Have you decided on which tiers you will update?
Depending on my schedule, I still have hope everything gets updated.

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Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

recommendation: Tier 1.75*

Agree with everything djoberg said about this film...opening and closing scenes are excellent with the middle part a little softer.

As for the sound... I only have a 5.1 setup and I swear there were sounds coming from the ceiling and even originating from the middle of the room, just spectacular and no other soundtrack has given my system such a workout. The LFE in the final action scene was reference and even better than Gravity.
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Man of La Mancha

recommendation: Tier 3.0*

Shout Factory licensed this from MGM and put it out a little over a month ago. The 1972 Arthur Hiller-directed musical gets an older HD transfer from serviceable film elements. Murky shadow delineation and soft grain reproduction mark this 1.85:1 presentation.

Its definition and clarity are what we've come to expect from an older MGM film that hasn't seen the benefit of a new restoration. Shout Factory encodes it in perfect AVC on a BD-50. A trace of sharpening is visible. The video is free of overt damage and wear, though better fine detail is limited to close-ups.

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Steins; Gate: The Movie

recommendation: Tier 2.25*

Funimation finally got to put out this 2013 movie sequel to the beloved anime series earlier this year. The animation sticks very closely to the original series' look and aesthetic. Having previously ranked that series in Tier 2.0 some years ago, Tier 2.25 feels more correct for the movie. I suspect if I re-watched the original series it would fall a bit in the rankings.

There are some technical improvements. Banding was an issue on the original series. This is a much stronger AVC encode this time, averaging over 21 Mbps. It's a much smoother, slightly punchier presentation.

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Son of Frankenstein

recommendation: Tier 3.0*

Good all around black and white film, the scene transitions are a little soft.
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John Wick Chapter 2 - UHD w/HDR


Recommendation: Tier 0.75


The subject matter doesn't lend itself to scoring very highly in my opinion. The movie is ~75% low lit scenes with muted color palette. However, what is there is pristine. In the occasions where the additional color and brightness comes into play, this movie contains some of the best scenes I've ever seen. Black levels are solid through out, and details are solid being a 4k release.


About 3/4 thru the movie John Wick is fighting thru an art gallery with bright signs, lights, and a mirror room. During this approximately 15-20 minute scene, contrast of color and light skyrockets and would easily be one of my top 5 demos to show off.


If you happen to have a 4K tv and HDR capable, you won't be disappointed. I really hope this is how HDR is handled in more movies. Don't need searing brightness, give bright highlights with very deep blacks against multiple colors to show massive contrast. But on the other side, if the scene doesn't call for it, don't blow it out for no reason.
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Little Witch Academia: The Enchanted Parade

recommendation: Tier 1.0*

Little Witch Academia has absolutely gorgeous animation inspired by classic French and Disney animators. This flawless import set from Japan is a stunning showcase of traditional hand-drawn animation, particularly the first OVA. Theatrical animation would usually have 2000-3000 key frames for a movie of this length. The first Little Witch Academia OVA has around 17,000 key frames. That translates to some of the most fluid animation seen since the halcyon days of Walt Disney's early classics.

This is not a cheap Blu-ray set but it captures some of the finest hand-drawn animation to ever hit 1080P video.

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Just a note to inform you that I'm still in the land of the living!

I rented John Wick 2 and Logan from Redbox today and plan to watch them tonight. Stay tuned!

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I was wondering if you had gone on one of your extended trips again. It's always good hearing you have more discs in the queue lined up for viewing.

Trespass

recommendation: Tier 2.75*

Shout Factory licensed this Bill Paxton and Ice-T actioner. This is a solid, no-frills presentation of the 1992 movie. It doesn't have stunning video quality but represents an adequate improvement in detail and definition over DVD.

The film elements are in great condition. The steady contrast is fine, if a bit lacking in extraordinary pop and warmth. Some mild filtering is possible. Grain reproduction is fairly average. The high-frequency content lacks that razor-sharp clarity and detail often seen in brand-new HD transfers.

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Quick question Phantom, currently (without having to update the entire list) looking at the votes, what are the top three PQ titles?
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Quick question Phantom, currently (without having to update the entire list) looking at the votes, what are the top three PQ titles?
That's a good question that I really don't have a quick answer for.

I've been currently grinding my way through the upcoming update but it's not even half done. There is progress being made, slowly but surely. Everyone will know once it's posted.
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John Wick 2

The review below (of the UHD/HDR version) mirrors what I saw in the 1080p version. In fact, I kept saying to myself, "I've got to get the 4K version if it actually looks better than this." In reading several "expert" reviews online, they all, without exception, said the 4K UHD version resulted in even finer details, blacker blacks, and more vibrant colors. Again, this is hard to envision, for the 1080p version was PURE EYE CANDY.

The only thing I would add is that facial details were as good as they can get. I've seen dozens of UHD/HDR titles (my current library consists of over 30 releases) and nothing will top what I just saw (though they do may indeed be "equal" to it). Shadow details were also topnotch. As JNayAV said, the "black levels and details were solid" with a majority of its 2 hour running time to showcase them. I was simply mesmerized by them all the way through!

As with the 1st installment, there was a lot of color-grading sprinkled throughout, but thankfully it didn't hinder details, depth, clarity or even flesh tones (except in a couple of instances with glowing "orange hues"). There was also some "black crush" at times (most notable in black suits), but the action was so fast that I didn't find myself distracted by it.

Okay, he nominated the UHD title for Tier 0 (.75) and I'm inclined to vote for the very same spot. Mind you, this is the 1080p version so I suspect I would be opting for at least .5 if this were the UHD version.

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (.75)

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Recommendation: Tier 0.75


The subject matter doesn't lend itself to scoring very highly in my opinion. The movie is ~75% low lit scenes with muted color palette. However, what is there is pristine. In the occasions where the additional color and brightness comes into play, this movie contains some of the best scenes I've ever seen. Black levels are solid through out, and details are solid being a 4k release.


About 3/4 thru the movie John Wick is fighting thru an art gallery with bright signs, lights, and a mirror room. During this approximately 15-20 minute scene, contrast of color and light skyrockets and would easily be one of my top 5 demos to show off.


If you happen to have a 4K tv and HDR capable, you won't be disappointed. I really hope this is how HDR is handled in more movies. Don't need searing brightness, give bright highlights with very deep blacks against multiple colors to show massive contrast. But on the other side, if the scene doesn't call for it, don't blow it out for no reason.

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After just viewing John Wick 2 (with its amazing PQ!) I was somewhat disappointed with this title. This one lacked the overall clarity and exceptional details that were on display throughout JW2. The black levels weren't as good either and there was some softness, especially in the opening scenes.

On the plus side, there were a number of daytime scenes that really POPPED with tons of details, superb depth, good colors, accurate flesh tones, and striking depth.

Tier Recommendation: 1.5*

PS I never really got into the movie. I was somewhat shocked at the gratuitous violence and pervasive language...not your typical X-Men film!
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xXx: Return of Xander Cage

For those who are familiar with this Franchise, you know that this is a highly "stylized" film which employs heavy doses of over-saturated colors as well as extreme color-grading. I didn't mind the over-saturated colors, but the color-grading wreaked havoc on flesh-tones and hindered details. There was a night scene starting at the 41 minute mark that lasted 14 minutes that had "orange hues" resulting in the aforementioned problems. That scene also featured poor to average black levels, some instances of noise, and recurring softness. It was UGLY!

Okay, now that I've dealt with the "negatives" I would be remiss if I didn't bring out some "positives." Details were insane at times, especially in all of the outdoor, daytime scenes. Facial details were topnotch, but so were details in foliage, furniture, clothing, tattoos, etc., etc. Depth was "3D-like" at times. Colors were dazzling. Blacks were great. Clarity was razor-sharp.

This is another "hard call," but I'm inclined to put it right here...

Tier Recommendation: 1.75*

PS I know some will take exception with my rating; in fact, some may be wanting this in Tier 0 or, at the very least, in the top of Tier 1. But IMHO when you have a 14 minute scene like the one I described above, it deserves to be docked a whole tier.

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Okay, so everyone (that writes professional reviews) is singing its praises for PQ, with more or less a PERFECT SCORE. I'm with them, sort of. To be sure this release has superb clarity, warm and vibrant colors, deep blacks with corresponding shadow details, accurate flesh tones, appreciable depth, and amazing details....MOST OF THE TIME! Those last four words will keep me back from nominating this for Tier 0.

So, what's NOT PERFECT? In a few of the opening scenes there were shots that looked like "soap opera video," with its characteristic softness. This was especially true (at times) in the home of Dean & Missy Armitage, and at times Rose's face and hair looked really soft and bland. I would also add that there was a good deal of color-grading at the home of the Armitage's, both in the house and outside during their party. What color you ask? Ah, the typical "orange" is served up in this one and it DID result in some less-than-perfect flesh tones. Again, the majority of the film showcased the virtues listed in my first paragraph, but in fairness I will be docking this for the "negatives" outlined in this paragraph.

Tier Recommendation: 1.0*

PS I should mention that every reviewer who praised it alluded to the opening scene which takes place outside at night in a beautiful suburb and they all speak of the perfect black levels, shadow details and almost limitless depth with impeccable details. I'm here to tell you that I did NOT experience the same viewing, for even though the blacks and details were very good, they weren't perfect and there surely wasn't limitless depth and impeccable details.

PPS I DID enjoy the movie immensely. It was a "breath of fresh air" in the horror genre in almost every way.

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I see Djoberg's home theater has been seeing a lot of action lately. Keep up the good work.

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Again, my travels have necessitated a "Blu-ray Fast" so it's about time for a "Blu-ray Feast." Plus, my wife has been gone the last two days and thus "When the wife's AWAY, the husband must PLAY"...play Blu-rays, that is!

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Logan

After just viewing John Wick 2 (with its amazing PQ!) I was somewhat disappointed with this title. This one lacked the overall clarity and exceptional details that were on display throughout JW2. The black levels weren't as good either and there was some softness, especially in the opening scenes.

On the plus side, there were a number of daytime scenes that really POPPED with tons of details, superb depth, good colors, accurate flesh tones, and striking depth.

Tier Recommendation: 1.5*

PS I never really got into the movie. I was somewhat shocked at the gratuitous violence and pervasive language...not your typical X-Men film!
Logan

recommendation: Tier 1.5*

I completely agree with Djoberg's scoring for Logan. Having finally gotten around to watching Fox's latest mutant movie this weekend, Logan has even, consistent picture quality that just lacks the superior dimensionality of better Tier 1 discs.

It's not a gritty aesthetic by any stretch. There is nice clarity without the intensely detailed, razor-sharp moments we've come to expect from brand-new action blockbusters. On the positive side, special effects are kept to a minimum outside of fight scenes.

Logan is certainly a strange movie for the superhero genre. It feels more like one of the first post-superhero movies that just happens to have a few X-Men characters.
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In the very opening scene (an open "space" scene) I was horrified by the terrible blacks (my letter-boxed bars were a murky "gray" and the darkness of space was less-than-stellar as well), but as soon as the scene shifted to inside the space station ALL WAS WELL. Thankfully, the black levels were MUCH BETTER after the first scene, though there were a couple of instances where they faltered.

Details were topnotch in all areas, especially in close-ups (and they were plentiful) of faces which were some of the best I've ever seen. That being said, flesh tones were not that accurate at times. Contrast was truly pleasing, for there are many shots of outside the space station which featured bright (and I mean BRIGHT) whites of the ship, next to a pitch black background of open space and spectacular stars. Shots of Earth from space also featured this dazzling contrast. Depth was so-so, and clarity was excellent one minute, not so much the next.

This one won't be found on anyone's "Reference Shelf," but it should find its way to your "Demo Shelf" and I'd put it near the top.

Tier Recommendation: 1.25*

PS In reading reviews, everyone that saw both the 1080p and 4K version said the UHD version was one of the greatest upgrades in PQ they had ever seen. Our own AVS reviewer (Ralph Potts) gave the UHD release a perfect score of 100, while he only gave the 1080p version an 88. If the movie had been better I'd more than likely be on Amazon purchasing it right now. (The movie wasn't BAD, it just didn't have "repeat value" in my estimation.)

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