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post #361 of 600 Old 07-17-2007, 12:22 PM
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Did anybody else get an email from amazon last night saying it shipped? i got next day delivery and mine shipped last night. however, when i checked the tracking, it says it arrived in Knoxville (from Lexington) and departed Knoxville at 7 this morning. I've seen tracking where things have left Lexington at 2 in the morning and still get here (Jacksonville, FL) the next day.

I had two day delivery from Amazon Prime. It shipped yesterday and was delivered today like most releases I get from Amazon.

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I just picked up my copy from my local Circuit City, price matched the price from Target at $19.95

They have the new remastered movie mixed up with the old stock.
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I thought I heard one report saying Sony has an exchange plan if you have the older one, so why then are they not recalling the original? Isn't that just going to make things worse leaving both on the store shelves?
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I had two day delivery from Amazon Prime. It shipped yesterday and was delivered today like most releases I get from Amazon.


Mine also shipped yesterday and arrived today for 17.99
Usually I get mine on wednesdays with prime.

Can't wait to check it out.
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Xylon

Thanks for the pics: exactly what I was looking for

so I get home and pop in the new, remastered TFE into my BDP-S1:

WOW: the noise and grain are gone: now I see an incredibly sharp picture with lots of detail


compliments to Sony for making this right

( my setup includes a Fujitsu P63 and a Sharp LC45GX6U/ Lex MC12/ Aragon 3005/ JM Labs speakers/ Martin Logan Descent sub)
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Xylon

Thanks for the pics: exactly what I was looking for

so I get home and pop in the new, remastered TFE into my BDP-S1:

WOW: the noise and grain are gone: now I see an incredibly sharp picture with lots of detail


compliments to Sony for making this right

( my setup includes a Fujitsu P63 and a Sharp LC45GX6U/ Lex MC12/ Aragon 3005/ JM Labs speakers/ Martin Logan Descent sub)

Excellent!

I can't wait to get this one!
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Just got back from Target and purchased the re-mastered copy, and the cool part was that it was only $19.95, same price as it is on Amazon.com. Those looking for it, try Target, I've went to Best Buy, Circuit City, and Walmart, didn't have it.


....same here, only saw it at Target. They only had one copy mixed in with one of the old versions.
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I paid 32$ for it at futureshop today

damn I miss the cheap blu ray deals back in states.
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Found it at CC today in the back of the old stock, but the price was still $24.99.
The picture is very good, the TrueHD could have been a little better.
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I thought paidgeek confirmed somewhere that the TrueHD track was 16/48.

I think he basically said that the original master was only 16 bit.
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I thought paidgeek confirmed somewhere that the TrueHD track was 16/48.

I think he basically said that the original master was only 16 bit.

That's what he said, but the fact that the TrueHD track's bitrate reaches 4.6 Mbps at one point makes me question the actual bit-depth. It could still very well be 48/16, but I never heard of a compressed audio track reaching peak bitrate at any given time.
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sorry if its been answered before, but is there a way to tell the new version from the old by just looking at the packaging? I have looked at both and they seem to have the exact same cover. I am looking to buy it from craigslist, but I don't want someone trying to scam me or I may try buying it from Best buy, but don't want to end up getting the old one.
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sorry if its been answered before, but is there a way to tell the new version from the old by just looking at the packaging? I have looked at both and they seem to have the exact same cover. I am looking to buy it from craigslist, but I don't want someone trying to scam me or I may try buying it from Best buy, but don't want to end up getting the old one.

TrueHD logo on the back of the remaster.
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TrueHD logo on the back of the remaster.

I think the hidefdigest review also said the experience HD or whatever at the bottom of the cover is now a reflective shiny silver, where the original is just a plain gray color. But obviously I'd check for both these signs.
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Has anyone who has this film recorded on DVHS off of HD HBO a few years back done a comparison?

Thanks,
Tom

I already posted some screenshots from the HBO broadcast here.

Anyways another set going up this weekend this time with the HBO and TNT broadcast (all 1920x1080i) included.
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That's what he said, but the fact that the TrueHD track's bitrate reaches 4.6 Mbps at one point makes me question the actual bit-depth. It could still very well be 48/16, but I never heard of a compressed audio track reaching peak bitrate at any given time.

I was far too busy checking out the new great looking transfer to bother with my Rat Shack meter, but I did change from PCM to DD-THD several times on the fly and it seemed like the DD-THD track was a bit louder.

Kudos to Sony on this one...highly reccomended for its improvements over the original.
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Here are screenshots of my old German Fifth Element release.
I think they re-released the movie here but this is what they sold to us when format launched. I remember that this was the second or third DVD, I bought. And they had the nerve to call it "Deluxe Widescreen Edition"!

And, yes, it is THAT bad!












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Anyone have any idea when we will receive the replacement copies? Not only do I get the remastered version, but I have yet to watch the movie on my new home theater system... so I am excited to get a double step up in viewing and listening pleasure. I love love.
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Hopefully Sony started shipping out the replacements yesterday. I'm also waiting for mine

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don't think that MPEG2 is a "crap" video codec, in fact it's a very good quality video codec!
Sony made the mistake to only use one layer of the Blu-ray Disk for the first version of The fifth element (instead of the double layer version)
so the MPEG 2 video codec compression ratio had to be very high, otherwise the movie didn't fit on the disc....

Everybody knows what happens if you put the compression ratio too high..
you get a bad quality picture....

Now, Sony has choosen for the dual layer BD option, and they also choose for a video codec that can deliver the same picture quality at less disc space,
therefore the picture quality looks better

In fact if they had still had choosen for the MPEG2 codec in combination with a dual layer BD the picture quality was the same as the AVC quality they have now!
(only the disc would be more full of data)

Many people think AVC an H264 are "better" video codec's, that not true
They only are more size efficient so the movie data is smaller on disc,
If you use the MPEG 2 codec at its highest quality setting and compare it with AVC nobody would notice any difference, maybe with fast moving scene's the MPEG2 codec looks better than AVC. because this newer codec has a much higher reduction than MPEG2. (more reduction=less quality)

AVC and H264 are only newer video codec's that don't use so much space as the older MPEG2 video codec, but this doesn't say that the quality is not as good as the newer codec's
The final quality result totally depends on how you implement it, and how high the quality setting were during the BD authoring proces.
If there is plenty of free space on the disc available there is no need for AVC or H264 codecs!

I think that sony should had cleaned the 35mm movie in the first place, and then scanned the movie at 4K resolution, and then down converted it to 2K (1080P)
this should had delivered the best quality possible
Don't use digital edge enhancement filters, but clean the original movie first!
and then scan it at 4K, that's the way to do it!
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Wow those pictures really show the EE and ringing on regular DVD. Thanks for the pics
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Wow those pictures really show the EE and ringing on regular DVD. Thanks for the pics

Yes, the dvd look like crap, frankly speaking...!

But what do you think about the color temperature of the stunning close up of her?
I kind of like the greener look on the German pictures. Its more of a sunnier, outdoor look.

However, the AVC-code picture looks so naturall. I want to kiss her(dirty me!)

It looks like Sony have done some calibrating of the Master. In a good way, of course.
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The reason the TrueHD track is higher bitrate than it should be is because it has an AC3 track interleaved into it. This is different from the more efficient core+extension model of DTS-HD.

A 16bit TrueHD track would normally be 1.5Mbps average like we see on HD DVD. However on blu-ray with the addition of the AC3 track it comes out to about 2.1Mbps average.

That explains it all. Thanks benes.
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Yes, the dvd look like crap, frankly speaking...!

On this point, it should be noted that the German DVD came from a different and much-inferior transfer than the American DVDs.

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On this point, it should be noted that the German DVD came from a different and much-inferior transfer than the American DVDs.

I meant it looks like crap compaired to Blu-ray, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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That German dvd looks like crap just by itself. I mean, just look at the screenshot of Milla on the ledge. What the hell is that? Bootleg VHS quality?

It's great to see the worst release of T5E on dvd vs the best on BRD. We've come a long way.
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Don't kid yourself though dtsHDMA core+extension is not significantly more efficient. If we were talking about a difference on the order of magnitude, then I would agree. A interleaved DD track in a DDTHD track is not going to eat up much more than its max 640kbs rate. Hardly enough to worry about it affecting PQ.
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Can someone tell me what distinguishes this new disc from the old one as far as the box art goes? I dont want to go buy the old 5th element by accident when this comes out.

Good thing you asked. I just received my copy from Deep Discount DVD and received OLD version. Called CS and they emailed me a prepaid shipping document and will wait until they receive it and hopefully send me the NEW version.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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don't remove the security tape on the top:

it should read

FIFTH ELEMENT, THE RMSTD BD
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