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if these new pictures are an accurate representation of what the new version looks like, I'll definitely pass on buying it. It still looks like garbage.

We all thank you for the insightful post. I'll make sure to refer to you in the future when I want to know how any given movie should look.
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Does it really default to the TrueHD track?!?!?

If so, I think that is great. I think these HD titles that default to the legacy tracks will remind us of the first DVD's that defaulted to the 2 channel or dolby pro-logic track instead of the 5.1 track (ironically the first DVD release of TFE did exactly that)!

Yep, I was all ready to select the TrueHD track when the audio menu came up it was selected by default...nice going Sony, hope they keep this up.

Another note, there is no native English Dolby Digital track on this, just TrueHD and PCM. I'm not sure how this works if your only using optical.

paidgeek does this TrueHD track contain a core Dolby Digital track?

I do remeber the first DVD releases, I still have some of the original ones with 2 channel selected by default. I think Sony Pictures and Paramount released a lot like this for the first year or so. I also remember a lot of releases that were just letterbox (non-anaphormic) and not formatted for widescreen televisions.
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Any reviews on the remastered version yet?
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Review copies have not been shipped out to my knowledge. I have all of the Sony releases up to that date already but have not received it.

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Yep, I was all ready to select the TrueHD track when the audio menu came up it was selected by default...nice going Sony, hope they keep this up.

Another note, there is no native English Dolby Digital track on this, just TrueHD and PCM. I'm not sure how this works if your only using optical.

paidgeek does this TrueHD track contain a core Dolby Digital track?

I do remeber the first DVD releases, I still have some of the original ones with 2 channel selected by default. I think Sony Pictures and Paramount released a lot like this for the first year or so. I also remember a lot of releases that were just letterbox (non-anaphormic) and not formatted for widescreen televisions.


I thought Tru-HD had a DD core track?

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I thought Tru-HD had a DD core track?

There is no DD core in Dolby True HD. But I thought it is in the bluray specs that a Dolby True HD track must be accompanied by a DD track.

My PS3 is linked with my AV amp using optical out. This would suck big time if I would get only 2 channel sound from the new TFE bluray.

Can anybody check this? Can the PS3 convert 5.1 DD THD into 5.1 DD (for the optical out)? I think I would cancel my pre-order an stick with the DVD, if I would get only stereo from the bluray. The sound of the remastered DVD version really kicks a**.

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Blu-ray specs require that any TrueHD track be accompanied by a legacy Dolby Digital track (usually 640 kbps in practice) for backwards compatibility. However, even though technically it's a separate DD track, the BD spec causes it to *act* like a "core" stream. For instance, the disc-packaging might only mention the Dolby TrueHD soundtrack and not the standard Dolby. Also, I'm not sure if the standard Dolby is made available as an option in the menu.... I think you might only see the TrueHD soundtrack option in the audio setup choices.

HOWEVER:

ALL BD players will stream the Standard Dolby "core" (core in quotes here) out the traditional coax/optical digital output for those with standard receivers. This is true even if your BD player can decode TrueHD and/or has HDMI 1.3. In other words, if you select the Dolby TrueHD soundtrack, you'll be able to hear the 5.1 Dolby Digital (probably at 640) out the SPDIF digital ouptut. That's automatic because the player knows you can't put TrueHD on an old-fashioned SPDIF digital cable.

If you have a built-in TrueHD decoder (like in the PS3) you should also be able to hear the Lossless TrueHD converted to 2.0 PCM via the SPDIF output, depending on your player settings.

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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For a reason unknow, people tought that it was going to be better than King Kong .. witch is technically impossible in this case since most SFX Shot in 5th Element seems to have been transfered to film, where King Kong , film was scanned digitally and incorporated into the digital world then transfered on the HD DVD ...

Waiting for someone to say that the frame screenshot are not the same in 5,4,3,2,1...

The detail in the BD makes the "detail" in the DVD look like mosquito noise.

Looks pretty good to me for being struck from a Super 35 print. Now if this had been 70mm....

Can't wait till MTV ships mine. It ought to look phenomenal.

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I got notification that my copy shipped. Hope I get it for the weekend.
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Puzzling isn't it. 16 bit TrueHD encodes hover between 1-3Mbps. Perhaps the resolution of the master was higher than they thought.

It's an all new transfer, I've also noticed for the first time in the original transfer there was a red push that's gone now. Much more accurate colors.

No, a higher bit rate indicates that it is difficult to compress. Given the era (1997) it's (at best) a 20-bit resolution masater but more likely 16.

There are a number of potential reasons for the high bit rate, here are some:
1) Audio data represents a near pathologic case with high degrees of randomization.

2) Channel content is highly scattered making the encoder work harder to get the compression.

3) The title has significant dynamic range compression in the master. The more DRC you apply, the less the audio data will compress.

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I want a perfect transfer as well, and don't forget to throw in the best audio codec to boot, but saying this transfer is garbage certainly has no merit. I will gladly take this new release, and kudos to Sony for replacing customers originals free of charge.

If you want the perfect transfer than go buy yourself a movie theater.

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I got notification that my copy shipped. Hope I get it for the weekend.


Call the number below and give them your reference number to ask if they have recieved your mail. Nobody has had their order shipped yet since they all will ship the 17th...

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Hmmm, is it just me...or is it that even though there's a noticeable difference, the remaster still looks below average?


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Review copies have not been shipped out to my knowledge. I have all of the Sony releases up to that date already but have not received it.

Great, can't wait until your review Kris
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Found this response from paidgeek in the Industry Insiders thread concerning the TrueHD track and Dolby Digital.

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Whenever Dolby THD is used, there is a legacy DD stream that shadows it. Although you do not see it as a menu selection, it will be output from your optical/coaxial connector if you have made the appropriate player system settings.

Given the virtues of lossless/uncompressed audio, it is well worth putting a new receiver on your Christmas list.

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Boy that looks LOADS better than the upscale. It's got what I love about HD - texture. That looks like pocked stone now, the additional resolution gives slight detail the depth that looks real. Definitely worth upgrading over the SD DVD...

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Boy that looks LOADS better than the upscale. It's got what I love about HD - texture. That looks like pocked stone now, the additional resolution gives slight detail the depth that looks real. Definitely worth upgrading over the SD DVD...

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It is worth upgrading over the Mpeg2 Blu-Ray as well... The new transfer makes the MPEG2 BD look fuzzy in comparison...
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i can't wait for this.........i check my mailbox everyday hoping they send them out early like a preorder from amazon........still hasn't arrived....... how much longer

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i can't wait for this.........i check my mailbox everyday hoping they send them out early like a preorder from amazon........still hasn't arrived....... how much longer

Just take a chill pill man!!
The email states the replacement discs will shipped After July 17th, so you got about a week & a half left depending on where they are shipped from.

I just boxed mine up tonight & will be sending it out tomorrow.

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Well, nice to know about the TrueHD and DD tracks. I'm in the same boat as many folks, running through optical to a receiver. My problem is that I don't like buying new stuff until the old stuff breaks, and my receiver is only a couple years old, from just before they put HDMI into 'em. I'll upgrade eventually, to be sure, and when I do, I'll make damn sure I'm able to take full advantage of all the audio that Blu-ray has to offer.

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pcm 5.1 is better that truehd I have a HDMI receiver and i test it both pcm run at 28.76mbps truehd run at 24.87mbps DOLBY TRUE IS A LOSSLESS AUDIO TO
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pcm 5.1 is better that truehd I have a HDMI receiver and i test it both pcm run at 28.76mbps truehd run at 24.87mbps DOLBY TRUE IS A LOSSLESS AUDIO TO

um... those are video bitrate, not audio.
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relax, everyone. People can't wait, what another week...?!?!?

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Damn, how are so many people getting their hands on this disc so early?!

As it's been noted, some Walmarts are breaking street date. They can do that, mainly because the studio can't afford to penalize them.
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exactly. You piss off Walmart, you're effed....
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As it's been noted, some Walmarts are breaking street date. They can do that, mainly because the studio can't afford to penalize them.

when do you suppose they'll have 300 on BD available
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I just saw it at Future Shop. They have copies of both versions and it's pretty easy to tell them apart. Not only does the new one have the foil "Experience High Definition", but the cover itself is kind of a foil, and the colors are vastly different from from the old "yellowish" look.

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