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French subtitles, of course. No English.

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French subtitles, of course. No English.

heh, i can live with that, i do hope there is chinese subs tho.
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The funny thing about the versions of Hero I currently have on DVD is that the absolute best I have for PQ is an Iraqi bootleg I got outside Baghdad in 2004 for $5. PQ is stunning but the transfer is letterboxed. Every R1, R2 or R3 version I have gotten after that has been atrocious in comparison with the bootleg for PQ. I definitely hope for an excellent transfer on BD someday in the US.

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Iraqi bootleg?


and those screens don't look like grain at all, but heavy noise.

X2 is a movie that could be called "grainy" and it looks nothing like this
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Iraqi bootleg?


There is no Made In China branding, but one probably could presume such too.

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French subtitles, of course. No English.

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http://www.blurayreviews.ch/reviews/...ray-review.htm

PQ: 2/5
SQ: 4/5

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+ Positive:
-- Close-up's offer reasonably solid sharpness and detail values.
-- General solid contrast ratio with mostly strong color reproduction.
-- Negative:
-- Very weak picture quality as good as no high-def feeling.
-- Up to a few shots virtually continuous soft / focus.
-- Virtually bleeding extremely heavy film grain / noise.
-- Details go through the grainy picture is extremely strong.
-- Image seems very flat and offers virtually no plasticity.
-- Very troubled part / zittriges picture.

'Hero - Director's Cut' is a very opulent Strip filmed at the meticulously staged battle sequences set with a lot of attention to detail were detained on celluloid. Only a pity that one of these many details on Blu-ray virtually impossible to get to see, because 'Hero' is exactly the opposite of what you wanted high-definition! The picture is extreme, and we feel really extreme, grainy and sometimes quite noisy. We are basically no film grain Hasser, but if sharpness and Detailzeichung including such suffering, it is even us too far.

And that is the case here: The picture is always very soft, especially in distance shots even really vague and almost muddy. Close-up's offer in part at least reasonably solid values, but also offer no compensation for the remaining so-called high-resolution image. Since it is not surprising that the film across very flat and virtually no plasticity. Really a shame, because a film like 'Hero' is so beautiful pictures has to offer, would have to Blu-ray deserves better. It is worth noting the difference to the availability of standard-definition DVD versions but only very slightly.


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PQ: 2/5
SQ: 4/5

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PQ: 2/5
SQ: 4/5

this is the german copy right? think we've already read that the german copy is terrible in quality.
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The screen captures on that page are pretty mediocre. Normally grain is a good thing but why is Hero that grainy? Was it that grainy in the theaters? I don't understand.
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I saw this film on a huge screen when it was released and so far nothing has come close to representing how this film looks. Those BD screencaps are an abomination. That is not what HERO should look like.

The 720p HD version I have from Canada is vastly superior.

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Damn after all this time it sounds like they botched it

Well hopefully they will release a US version that is superior...2/5 PQ??

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Here are a couple of screenshots from the new French release:









Also got French House of Flying Daggers - are there any full sized screenshots around (from the US release) I could compare against?

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Wow, that does NOT look right at all! My DVD looks better. Something weird going on there. I don't think that fuzz is grain.

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That transfer makes House of Flying Daggers look like King Kong. Out of focus with noise on top.
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Here are a couple of screenshots from the new French release

Looks like a DNR'd version of the German release
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Oh wow that looks atrocious.
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ugh

Who will be releasing this in US? Sony?
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Looks like a DNR'd version of the German release

I'm not even sure it's DNR. It looks like the whole picture is on extreme miore.

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Those screenshots are terrible, worse than DVD.

Definitely something wrong, if I brought that disc I would be asking for a refund.
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holy crap that looks horrible. Worse than the DVD by a mile.
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Looks like a DNR'd version of the German release

Well, I was thinking the same when matching those screenshots to your HD DVD captures (couldn't match the 3rd one exactly though). Definitely a dire disappointment!

I hope the HoFD disc will fare better (will have a look later today)...

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(The screenshots were ripped from the raw VC-1 stream through AviSynth (DirectShowSource decoded by WMP10), so I'm pretty sure they show what's really on that disc...)
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Well, I was thinking the same when matching those screenshots to your HD DVD captures (couldn't match the 3rd one exactly though). Definitely a dire disappointment!

I hope the HoFD disc will fare better (will have a look later today)...

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(The screenshots were ripped from the raw VC-1 stream through AviSynth (DirectShowSource decoded by WMP10), so I'm pretty sure they show what's really on that disc...)

Thanks for the screenshots. Can you run this tool on it to get bitrate specs?: http://www.cinemasquid.com/Tools.aspx
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Here you go Eric:

Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
HERO                                                            VC-1    1:38:39 22 734 065 664  29 073 248 652  30,72   24,57   DTS-HD Master 5.1 2169Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) 


DISC INFO:

Disc Size:      29 073 248 652 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:           00058.mpls
Size:           22 734 065 664 bytes
Length:         1:38:39 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:  30,72 Mbps
Description:    

FILES:

Name            Size            Length          Time In         Time Out        
----            ----            ------          -------         --------        
00065.M2TS      22 734 065 664  1:38:39.914     0:00:00.000     1:38:39.914     

VIDEO:

Codec               Bitrate         Description     
-----               -------         -----------     
VC-1 Video          24575 kbps      1080p / 23,976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             French          2169 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2169kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Chinese         2153 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2153kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1536kbps)


Cheers!
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What in the hell is going on in those screenshots?
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Here you go Eric:

Code:
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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
HERO                                                            VC-1    1:38:39 22 734 065 664  29 073 248 652  30,72   24,57   DTS-HD Master 5.1 2169Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) 


DISC INFO:

Disc Size:      29 073 248 652 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:           00058.mpls
Size:           22 734 065 664 bytes
Length:         1:38:39 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:  30,72 Mbps
Description:    

FILES:

Name            Size            Length          Time In         Time Out        
----            ----            ------          -------         --------        
00065.M2TS      22 734 065 664  1:38:39.914     0:00:00.000     1:38:39.914     

VIDEO:

Codec               Bitrate         Description     
-----               -------         -----------     
VC-1 Video          24575 kbps      1080p / 23,976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             French          2169 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2169kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Chinese         2153 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2153kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1536kbps)


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Maybe all the noise is eating up the bitrate

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That is the definition of a defective product. Imagine paying for THAT!!

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I'd like to defend the German Blu-ray a little...

It certainly doesn't look great, because of the heavy grain/noise, but detail was ok and it was still very watchable on a 120'' scope screen (and certainly a lot better than the PAL DVD). At least it had a consistent, film-like look, unlike for example Gangs Of New York which looked extremely digital (EE, DNR) and was, for me, utterly unwatchable on the 120'' screen.

So of course I would appreciate it if someone, somewhere would release a better (sharper, less grainy) version of Hero, but for the time being this is the best version available and a clear step up from the DVD.

P.S. Those french screencaps look really horrible...
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I'm lost for words. Is this an*whisper it*... upscale?
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Peto, don't suppose you've had chance to look at House of the Flying Daggers have you?
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