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It's the Director's Cut only, on a BD-50. File size of around 43gb, compared to the US disc's near 24gb for the Director's Cut.
The other cuts are redundant IMO and eating valuable disc space.

http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/movies/releases/jet-lis-fearless/c2cb308f-c297-445d-bdf5-d19872504fea#specs

Wow. Any place have any screenshot comparisons between the HK and US releases? I like my US dic but if the HK looks better I would gladly upgrade.
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I can't find any comparison, unfortunately.

There is however, this:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Fearless-Blu-ray/49115/
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Notorious distributor Zoke Culture has come through this time with an HD CAM Remastered DVD. The film has a troubled history, and as a friend put it:

For House of Flying Daggers, they went from film (first generation) into the computer (second generation @ 2k resolution loss), back to film (third generation) and then, back into the computer (fourth generation) for final digital master for DVD, etc."

Hence all the contrast/sharpness problems which you can see even more pronounced on other releases at this page.


It also seems, on the screen shots that are of the exact same frame, that the Zoke Culture release has more image information on all sides (in particular shot 3 of the crowd on the balcony).

Not a perfect transfer, but I'd venture to say it's the one closest to Yimou's intent. Don't make the same mistakes on "Man cheng jin dai huang jin jia"!

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If it is indeed the D1 & it lOOks like that is super messed up; why all the variation w/the DVD releases?
Some lOOkED OK, some pretty poor!
If the US Blu wasn't zoomed in, it very well may have lOOkED better.

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If it is indeed the D1 & it lOOks like that is super messed up; why all the variation w/the DVD releases?
Some lOOkED OK, some pretty poor!

I have many DVD editions of this movie. Some had artificial sharpening or color and contrast boosting done after-the-fact, but they all look some variation on poor.

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Some had artificial sharpening or color and contrast boosting done after-the-fact, but they all look some variation on poor.
Sad, but true.
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Received the HK disc today.

My word, taking into account the flaws that we're all aware of,surrounding the source material, this looks fantastic.

I compared it to the cut UK release and the bump in PQ, was most appreciable.

Fearless also looks excellent, although the differences from the US disc might not be immediately apparent.

However, detail and grain are handled far better and the haloing in the US disc, is largely absent.

Cash well spent.
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Received the HK disc today.

My word, taking into account the flaws that we're all aware of,surrounding the source material, this looks fantastic.

I compared it to the cut UK release and the bump in PQ, was most appreciable.
Could you provide more details?
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Received the HK disc today.

My word, taking into account the flaws that we're all aware of,surrounding the source material, this looks fantastic.

I compared it to the cut UK release and the bump in PQ, was most appreciable.

Fearless also looks excellent, although the differences from the US disc might not be immediately apparent.

However, detail and grain are handled far better and the haloing in the US disc, is largely absent.

Cash well spent.
How's the framing?
An EZ scene too compare is the "bean dance":
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews31/house_of_flying_daggers_blu-ray.htm
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Could you provide more details?
Such as?

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How's the framing?
An EZ scene too compare is the "bean dance":
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews31/house_of_flying_daggers_blu-ray.htm
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BIG thanks.
The framing matches the US BD, in that shot.
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Such as?
You mentioned "taking into account the flaws that we're all aware of,surrounding the source material, this looks fantastic."
"Fantastic" in what way (as compared to the original U.S. BD)?
The original U.S. release was heavily criticized, and for good reason.
Can you compare/contrast the PQ of the 2 releases?
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The framing matches the US BD, in that shot.
Bummer!
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This source is sooooo messED up!!! And then they zoom in on it!!!
Brilliant!!!

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You mentioned "taking into account the flaws that we're all aware of,surrounding the source material, this looks fantastic."
"Fantastic" in what way (as compared to the original U.S. BD)?
The original U.S. release was heavily criticized, and for good reason.
Can you compare/contrast the PQ of the 2 releases?
I've never owned the US disc, what with it being censored and therefore not worth the effort.

I compared it to the UK release, (again,censored, but not to the degree of the US disc), which looks dire.

If the US disc looks worse than the UK, I don't know what to say.

I'm not going to blow smoke up anyone's butt, by claiming the transfer is revelatory, no way in hell, it still as issues, but coming from owning the original Edko DVD, the re-mastered Edko DVD, the UK DVD and then UK BD, this is the best I've seen it look on a home format.

If I thought it looked like ass, I'd be moving it on, but I'm happy to toss the UK disc in the bin and replace it.
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I've never owned the US disc, what with it being censored and therefore not worth the effort.

I compared it to the UK release, (again,censored, but not to the degree of the US disc), which looks dire.

If the US disc looks worse than the UK, I don't know what to say.

I'm not going to blow smoke up anyone's butt, by claiming the transfer is revelatory, no way in hell, it still as issues, but coming from owning the original Edko DVD, the re-mastered Edko DVD, the UK DVD and then UK BD, this is the best I've seen it look on a home format.

If I thought it looked like ass, I'd be moving it on, but I'm happy to toss the UK disc in the bin and replace it.
OK, thanx for the info.smile.gif
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Thsi thread is oldbut I wonder when
House of Flying Daggers will be available in UHD 4K?
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Thsi thread is oldbut I wonder when
House of Flying Daggers will be available in UHD 4K?
I covered this in another thread. The film is locked in at 2K and it's too old to bring into 4K. It's just not going to happen unless they go back to the OCN, re-do all the VFX at 4K, and put together a new 4K master. The likelihood of that happening is non-existent.
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I covered this in another thread. The film is locked in at 2K and it's too old to bring into 4K. It's just not going to happen unless they go back to the OCN, re-do all the VFX at 4K, and put together a new 4K master. The likelihood of that happening is non-existent.
You mean just like all the other 2K upconverts they are selling?

Sony is even trying to sell a UHD Blu-ray using a DI from 2003, even older than HoFD: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Underw...166444/#Review
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You mean just like all the other 2K upconverts they are selling?

Sony is even trying to sell a UHD Blu-ray using a DI from 2003, even older than HoFD: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Underw...166444/#Review

We're talking about a re-master. Also, Sony does not own HoFD. Edko Films does. Sony cannot just release it on UHD-BD without a new 4K master from them.
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I've been looking to replace this from my DVD but was disheartened by the USA BD release. I'll probably get the HK version that's been talked about on here for a while. However, there's a Taiwan version as well: http://www.yesasia.com/us/house-of-f...0-en/info.html

Anyone have any experience with that one?

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I've been looking to replace this from my DVD but was disheartened by the USA BD release. I'll probably get the HK version that's been talked about on here for a while. However, there's a Taiwan version as well: http://www.yesasia.com/us/house-of-f...0-en/info.html

Anyone have any experience with that one?
Interesting. (Taiwan) DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 versus (Hong Kong) Dolby TrueHD 5.1.

(Taiwan) Video codec (AVC Mpeg-4 Part 10) versus (Hong Kong) MPEG-1

(Taiwan) 119 minutes versus (Hong Kong) 120 minutes. Is this running time right and not a typo?

http://www.yesasia.com/us/house-of-f...0-en/info.html
http://www.yesasia.com/us/house-of-f...0-en/info.html

The Taiwan version is listed as out of stock.

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I do wish there was a better BR video copy of this HOFD available. LoL, but in my dreams if I worked at the headquarters of where the original film is now currently located, I would see to it in some way that a new highest video quality possible release would be made from the original source.

Anyway I read every post in this thread now, looked at every screenshot, etc, and researched all over the net and think I have all the issues down about the quirky variations of this HOFD BR release.

I already own the usa sony pictures bd version, and as this thread has gone over all the details about each and every one of different releases which all have some basic quality problems that originates from the lacking source.
I am curious enough now that I need to see more of the comparisons for myself, so I just ordered the Hong Kong edko one for $17.97 delivered: http://www.dddhouse.com/v3/product_d...roductID=11841
(fwiw i'm not going to pay yesasia prices)
..anyway this HK version says it's 120 min and so I don't know why that taiwan one in the above post is listed as 119 minutes - maybe they just rounded it out but afaik the longest uncut version out there is 1:59:31 anyway.
l also ordered the BR French version somewhere else, to make sure I have a full length uncut english audio; I'm also curious what universal did with their version.

Besides the usa sony pictures one, I have another BR of it and it's one that has only 1 horse fall instead of the 4, but more importantly to me ..and is what got me started on all this in the first place is that I can visually see it has 'a little better' video quality and crop than the my sony usa one - and it's because of that has me now wanting the best video copy of the full uncut BR version. And so with the edko & universal one will give me all equal length audio/video/ parts of the uncut video versions I want so I can multiplex the best combinations together. I mostly watch lossless mkv's of my oppo anyway.

Anyway, just for my own purpose I am going to see which of these uncut BR videos releases I think are the best, extract them, and then lossless multiplex the best renderings of audio/video/subtitle choices into one lossless mkv and move on. ...and then watch the movie LoL...
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I finally got all my HOFD BR's in the mail ..the Sony US (cut), Universal Australia (uncut), and the EDKO HongKong (uncut). (I only needed the uncut Universal for it's English audio only)
..and in the end I can see that the HK version video quality is a little better than everything else out there. It almost seems like everyone else took the HK EDKO version and copied it with lesser video bit rate, and some did their own crop/zoom in on it too.
Anyway that's why the HK version main video is such a larger file size than all the others and it shows by sporting a better constant video bit rate.
The uncut versions have no edits having all 4 horse falls and blood spurts.
The difference in movie lengths of the 'uncut' versions, is only the 10 or 15 seconds of Universal or Sony intro dittys that they insert, etc, and numbers rounding.

Yes we know that the EDKO version while being the best one out there, but even still is still lacking the true definition it was recorded in for all the reasons discussed previously in this thread.

Anyway my end mission was still on target, and using various tools I took the lossless Video and Mandarin audio from the HK version, and lossless multiplexed in the English dts audio from the universal version, and ended up with a rare lossless audio/video .mkv of the HOFD movie that I don't know even exists anywhere in the world, and that is, that has Mandarin AND English audio, subtitles, in the uncut Movie version, and all done Lossless!

We know that watching a movie in the original language is of course the best, however! ..sometimes I like to watch a film in my native language which is English. I watched HOFD in Mandarin yes but had to read the english subtitles to follow along, and that process of watching a movie while trying to read subtitles to follow is...busy. I find much more visual freedom and relaxation to watch it in English too, which btw they did a pretty good job with the English dub on this I have to say.

The wife and I this last weekend sat down and watched the movie for the first time. It was good.

I wish there was a Star Trek way that we could beam everyone over, and I would gladly invite all who are interested and make some popcorn, and share this movie with you so that I didn't do all this work just for us two. Speaking of Star Trek, the newer movies they are making are just all digital green screens and movie magic fakery - I don't care for it so much. I like when they use real backgrounds and real imagery ...ymmv
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