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Glad to hear we're getting yet another DTS HD:MA track on these discs, but...err...since nobody can hear them yet, what is the point?

I've been a Blu-ray owner for almost a year, having bought the Kingdom of Heaven BD when it was first released. Almost a year on, I still can't hear the MA track.

What is the deal here?
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I imagine more firmware updates will be released by Christmas. I'm hoping the PS3 gets one just for DTS MA.
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Glad to hear we're getting yet another DTS HD:MA track on these discs, but...err...since nobody can hear them yet, what is the point?

I've been a Blu-ray owner for almost a year, having bought the Kingdom of Heaven BD when it was first released. Almost a year on, I still can't hear the MA track.

What is the deal here?

This has been discussed to death in numerous other threads. Why not read those threads instead of starting yet another thread on this subject so that the very same responses can be posted again?
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I imagine more firmware updates will be released by Christmas. I'm hoping the PS3 gets one just for DTS MA.

Firmware upgrades will not help most players which don't have the basic hardware to support MA.

The PS3 may or may not be able to do MA. It's pure speculation as to whether or not it will happen.
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I take it we'll all be watching the Die Hard in Dolby 5.1, then....

Well it's not quite that bad, we can listen to the DTS core 1.5.
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Yep, if it's good enough for Transformers, what's the complaint? Plus, the lossless track actually is on there for when the players do decode MA.
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it'll be 1.5mbps dts until we can decode the damn things, not puny dd5.1 640kbps
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Yeah, who cares if DTS-MA takes up more space than TrueHD? And who cares if we can't listen to it now and if it sounds exactly the same as decoded TrueHD? and who cares if there's no guarantee the PS3 and other current generation players will be able to decode it?...

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it'll be 1.5mbps dts until we can decode the damn things, not puny dd5.1 640kbps

actually a lot of those Fox titles have 768Kb DTS core tracks and not 1.5Mbit. The reason I don't know.
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Yeah, who cares if DTS-MA takes up more space than TrueHD? And who cares if we can't listen to it now and if it sounds exactly the same as decoded TrueHD? and who cares if there's no guarantee the PS3 and other current generation players will be able to decode it?...

You could always buy Transformers where you are guaranteed to never hear lossless.
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Is there really going to be that much incentive there for CEs to put out players with features that are only neccessary for a handful of discs?

But I guess like other next gen features, the whole point is that someday you will be able to take advantage of them on Bd (after dropping another $500 on up for the privilge, apparently)
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I take it we'll all be watching the Die Hard in Dolby 5.1, then....

I know I will beacuse I'm buying the unrated DVD not the Blu-Ray. What a stupid F'n decision by Fox.
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I know I will beacuse I'm buying the unrated DVD not the Blu-Ray. What a stupid F'n decision by Fox.

LOL I much as i'am frustrated as you, i'am not buying any FOX DVD POS encode/Products ever again...

I guess i'll double dip...

89+ Blu-ray Disc ;)
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I know I will beacuse I'm buying the unrated DVD not the Blu-Ray. What a stupid F'n decision by Fox.

I am going to skip part 4 until the "UltraSupremeUberUnratedQuadrilogy" comes to BD. Until then I will upscale my old SD "ultimate collection"
I actually like the fact they are including DTS:MA, for future reference. Right now I just have optical running to a really old 5.1 system anyway
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Select DTS HDMA and get the DTS core. No DD5.1.

Bazinga!

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I'd like to get the players to just stream the audio straight from disk to the hdmi out and leave them alone, but noone seems to be doing this. What the hell's wrong with these people? Why do they insist on decoding the audio just to add stuff I don't want into the audio?
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actually a lot of those Fox titles have 768Kb DTS core tracks and not 1.5Mbit. The reason I don't know.

Do you know this for sure and, if so, what titles are these?

Thanks.
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actually a lot of those Fox titles have 768Kb DTS core tracks and not 1.5Mbit. The reason I don't know.

REALLY?? I thought alll the Fox Blu Rays that had DTSHD had a 1.5 core. I know that Speed, Fantastic Four, Planet of the Apes, Alien vs Predator sound waaaay better than the DTS track on standard DVDs. I have compared them and the difference is very significant
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Windtalkers has a 768K DTS core track in it's DTS-HD MA track.

While it's MGM, I think we can all agree it's a Fox release.
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I imagine more firmware updates will be released by Christmas. I'm hoping the PS3 gets one just for DTS MA.

I kind of giving up on this ever happening.

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it'll be 1.5mbps dts until we can decode the damn things, not puny dd5.1 640kbps

With statements like that it only proves one thing. You don't know anything about audio. There are like 1 out of every 10,000 people who can hear the difference between DTS and DD in 5.1.

You are not one of them.

But then again, I would be willing to bet that you think LPCM sounds better than Dolby True-Hd because it has a bit rate of 6 mbps and DTHD has 1.5 mbps.
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I'd like to get the players to just stream the audio straight from disk to the hdmi out and leave them alone, but noone seems to be doing this. What the hell's wrong with these people? Why do they insist on decoding the audio just to add stuff I don't want into the audio?

The reason is BR was rushed to market to compete with HD-DVD which had a finalized audio specification. Of course HD-DVD didn't include DTS in the spec so if one of there studios climb in bed with DTS, there screwed as well.

I agree that they should have required bit stream but HDMI didn't have a finalized 1.3a spec completed.

I think DTS has royally screwed themselves by not having a total and finalized solution for HDM. I mean come on. DTS-HD, DTS-6.1, DTS-HDMA, DTS-5.1 and on and on.

I own several DTS DVDs and I like there results but IMO, they need twice the bandwidth to sound as good as Dolby. Dolby is a much more mature audio codec. It does suck that in order to use DTHD you need a seperate DD+/DD added to be backwards compatible. With DTS, you can use any of them and still have the core DTS without adding a different track.
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I'm in the same boat for some HD DVD releases, but I wonder: Is DTS paying some of these studios to release movies with the dtsma tracks? Maybe they feel that CE companies will support it if the titles have it and customers thus demand it.
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I'm in the same boat for some HD DVD releases, but I wonder: Is DTS paying some of these studios to release movies with the dtsma tracks?

I'm curious about that myself. Not that I'm ever going to complain about having lossless audio available, but it certainly would make sense for DTS to sweeten the pot for studios to use their codec on releases.

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Maybe they feel that CE companies will support it if the titles have it and customers thus demand it.

This is of course the idea. Without titles in the wild that have the DTS-MA tracks, player manufacturers would have no reason to go to the extra expense of licensing and adding support for DTS-MA (and vice versa, since once players appear that can decode it, studios will be more willing to use it).
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