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post #1 of 18 Old 09-16-2007, 06:26 PM - Thread Starter
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I bought a Sony 300 a month ago and have been watching a number of discs since. On the occasional disc I get <1sec black screen, while the sound continues. I assumed that it was a player glitch. On other discs I would hit an occasional pause that I thought may be a layer change or something.

But today, while watching Mission Impossible 3 I definitely hit a disc dropout. I don't know the exact time stamp but it's just after he's stolen the rabbits foot and shot the chase car's tire.

After cleaning the disc and retrying, it is still there in the same spot. If others have had issues, perhaps we should document them here to be sure if it's a disc problem, pressing problem, etc.

For the time being I'm 100% Bluray but if this is going to be the norm, I'll either switch to HD-DVD or just wait with all purchases until things get sorted out. I put up with this crap with laser discs, not again.
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Never experienced such a phenomenon with my PS3, just flawless playback. But go ahead and buy an HD DVD player since it seems you have already decided that they are glitchless. Hopefully, you won't have your discs skip, studder, freeze, or quit playing althogether …a phenomenon I experienced (as well as many others) on quite a few HD DVD discs…

I'm sorry Phil, excuse my suspicion about your post. But whenever I see a thread which is negative in this forum, it is odd that there is little in the way of a member footprint at AVS for the OP. Not too long ago, a manufacturing glitch was blown way out of proportion and was reported as disc rot across the net. The whole issue mysteriously disappeared. Why? because it was misinformation.

Personally, my PS3 has out-performed the Toshiba HD A1 I purchased last year. I own 220 Blu-ray discs, and though I have not viewed every one of them, the ones I have watched played flawlessly. No problems whatsoever. So perhaps this is a problem which lies in your equipment, because I highly doubt it is the software.
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Never had that happen either. Sounds like a defective player or misconfigured setup.
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Well, the video dropout undoubetdely sounds like an HDMI handshake issue. Some receivers or displays have compatibility issues when certain components are connected to them via HDMI. For instance, when connected to my previous Pioneer Elite receiver via HDMI, my PS3 would have occasional video dropouts and my HD-A1/HD-A2 players would get sparklie artifacts. Meanwhile, my SD DVD player worked perfectly.

With my current Denon receiver, every one of my components work perfectly. Welcome to the wonderful world of HDMI, where bad implementation isn't as uncommon as we wish it to be.
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Obviously not going to try and talk you out of going format neutral, but I will say that it sounds very much like HDMI issues, the culprit likely being your receiver, which might work fine with a different BD player, or might not. If your receiver is the culprit, you may not have any better luck with HD-DVD. I would
have the player swapped out to eliminate it as the culprit, then go from there.
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Personally, I think this thread belongs in a different forum.
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Mods.... Please move Thread to S-300 user Thread.... Seems like there are a few people there bitching over and over about the same issue. If you are having problems then it is most likely the player... I have the 300 and haven't experienced any of this yet with discs or playback yet... Hopefully I won't, I did when I had the A2.... Could be just a bad player..
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I agree it sounds like an HDMI handshake issue. As an owner of both Blu-ray and HD DVD, I have experienced only one playback issue with Blu-ray (a Samsung BD-P1000 issue that was remedied with a firmware update), and several with HD DVD (freezing, sync issues, disc recognition problems, discs stopping mid-movie... I thing a majority of those are due to scratches from rented discs).
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On the occasional disc I get <1sec black screen, while the sound continues.

This has been reported by people using an HDMI->DVI converter for their monitors. (An uncommon situation) Check out the BR player threads. Supposedly replicated by Sony and being fixed in next (?) firmware update. This handshaking issue was introduced after firmware 1.55
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If you go HD DVD, you will have another issues, you might get players dropout and suttering, that's why i left their camp, after so many tried. The 360 drive seem to be much more stable..

89+ Blu-ray Disc ;)
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I've only ever had one drop out on my PS3's and it was on Beerfest, it hasn't ever happened again.
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If you go HD DVD, you will have another issues, you might get players dropout and suttering, that's why i left their camp, after so many tried. The 360 drive seem to be much more stable..

I COMPLETELY agree with you. Here's my experience. For the record I'm format neutral.

I've owned HD-DVD since the great reviews first came out after the first major firmware revision. I currently own 3 HD-DVD players (xbox player not included) and 1 Blu-ray player (bought the day they were released). I own over 100 HD-DVD's and over 100 Blu-rays and in my experience I've NEVER had a Blu-ray skip, stutter, pause or freeze on me. On the other hand I've hand numerous glitches/freezes/pixelization on my HD-DVD's. I don't have an exact number but I'd guess easily 5-7+ times. MI:3 caused my A1 to completely lock up hard 3 times the very first time I watched an HD movie with my wife (talk about an embarrasing moment--wife asked why the heck I wasted our money! )

Until I see more robust players (or any other CE HD-DVD players) I'll be slightly leaning towards Blu-ray and hoping it wins this format war (despite my hate for some of Sony's business practices).

But of course my addiction is too strong and I'll continue to buy movies that I love on HD.
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I'll either switch to HD-DVD or just wait with all purchases until things get sorted out. I put up with this crap with laser discs, not again.

Here is a tip, HD-DVD has it´s share of flaws, reading their forums it sometimes looks as if they hardly have time to enjoy the movies.

On my PS3 i have yet to have any technial issues or problems.

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I spent some time on the Sony 300 and, as I guessed in my original post, the black frames and occasional stuttering are indeed player related. I haven't read much on the other players but it seems this one has some problems.

The MI-3 is definitely a disc problem. I've seen this on a couple of rental discs as well but chalked it up to scratches. MI-3 is, however, a pristine title from Amazon. If I am the only one who's received a defective one that's good news!

Excepting the PS3 what are the most reliable Bluray players out there, (not into gaming)?

AaronSCH,

Please re-read my initial post and keep your prejudices to yourself.

Phil

P.S. This thread should only be for disc dropouts. If it dies from lack of input, it would do much to put my mind at rest.
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Sounds like an issue with the receiver. What receiver do you have?

make sure your receiver firmware is up to date.

Sony pay me 10 beeeelion dollars to plant blu-ray seeeeds.
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LOL, do you really think that HD-DVD is perfect? I own a 300 also as well as a Toshy HD-XA1 and the 300 has been far more reliable than the Toshy, even though I've updated the firmware on the Toshy more than once. I have YET to update the 300 and even though it's had hiccups, there aren't any major issues with it.

Some quick advice--stick with Blu-Ray

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For the time being I'm 100% Bluray but if this is going to be the norm, I'll either switch to HD-DVD

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Both formats are having growing pains and switching sides will not get you away from problems. I support both and I've had problems with both.

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Joe_six,

My player goes directly into my Samsung LCD, no receiver. After reading the 300 thread, I am not alone with the player issue. As I surmised in my initial post there were two things going on, player and disc. The player issues I'll follow up on in the 300 forum but the bad disc belongs in this forum.

BRF,

Well, I didn't think it was perfect but was hoping it was better! How do you spell, au contrere? Silly me, I thought that the initial HD-DVD player issues were fixed with firmware upgrades.

lilstinky,

Owning only Bluray's I guess I had my blinders on from not really caring what went on "over there". I don't have a side two switch, by the way! I held off on any decision until Blockbuster announced and I found out about Target. At that point I bought the player and ordered a dozen or so discs. I thought the war was over.

Then I heard about the Paramount fiasco and immediately went to Amazon to order all of the Paramount Bluray's just for spite. (That'll teach 'em! )

I have to admit that finding one bad disc out of 33 really spooked me. I had heard that Sony had some initial disc problems but it was quickly straightened out. Finding this one left me thinking that they may not have. Nothing sinister, just bad previous experiences.

I have changed the thread title to make it more clear that this should only be for disc problems, not player related. Hopefully that will cut down on the confusion. Again, if I am the only one who's had this problem, I'd be more than pleased.
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