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i came across this thread and it looks like a fun read, but does this make any practical sense?
i think that sound is so different than pq. what exactly is being judged in common? hearing is too bad and too variable in adults. especially those who watch movies. so there is not this sort of judgement to be made. this is different than saying a video had a blue hue to it. that is objective and will be experienced by anyone with color vision. audio is like asking exactly what blue was there. chances are you would get many differing opinions of the blue. hearing as a mechanism to experience audio is very much individual dependent. hearing is more like reading a good book and someone else hating it. so, what tier does the book go into? we can't know unless a lot of people say exactly what they judged and there is tons of overlap. most book list go by number of sales.
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Mr. & Mrs. Smith should be in bold.

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The Hitman (DTS HD MA) Tier 1

Very nicely done, it's only a hair short from the best.

I agree as the main issue I had with the mix was that the dialog levels were inconsistent throughout the movie.In some scenes it was really upfront and a bit high in level and in some other scenes it was muffled and low in level- and suprisingly,not in the action scenes.
Apart from that,the music and sound effects sound great!
The gunshots have a nice pop and punch and the explosions have a nice snap.
There are some great surround effects throughout the movie as there always seems to be the right balance of ambience and direct pans.
The .1 LFE is really the standout and has plenty of weight and slam with both effects and music.This another worthy bass track,I'd say up there with 30 Days of Night.
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i came across this thread and it looks like a fun read, but does this make any practical sense?
i think that sound is so different than pq. what exactly is being judged in common? hearing is too bad and too variable in adults. especially those who watch movies. so there is not this sort of judgement to be made. this is different than saying a video had a blue hue to it. that is objective and will be experienced by anyone with color vision. audio is like asking exactly what blue was there. chances are you would get many differing opinions of the blue. hearing as a mechanism to experience audio is very much individual dependent. hearing is more like reading a good book and someone else hating it. so, what tier does the book go into? we can't know unless a lot of people say exactly what they judged and there is tons of overlap. most book list go by number of sales.

just take it as a general rating then. yes it is subjective and vary widely. same can be said about pq as some will rate a movie with grain tier 3 while others will rate it 0 for staying true to the master.

also, when posting on forums, please use some paragraphs. i bet i'm not the only one who didn't finish reading your post.
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But Mr. & Mrs. Smith should be in bold.

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I agree.

any more votes on this? i should watch this again now that the ps3 can decode dts-ma.
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So far just watched some Sunshine parts (not he entire movie) again with DTS-MA. Very nice
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any more votes on this? i should watch this again now that the ps3 can decode dts-ma.

I vote for BOLD.
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Last night I watched I Robot with full DTS-MA decoding by my PS3 and I would say this was the BEST BD I have heard to date. Before last night, I considered the core of Die Hard 4 to be the best (I need to rewatch this with full DTS-MA) to see how this stacks up.

I recommned I Robot gets bolded, anyone else agree?
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Last night I watched I Robot with full DTS-MA decoding by my PS3 and I would say this was the BEST BD I have heard to date. Before last night, I considered the core of Die Hard 4 to be the best (I need to rewatch this with full DTS-MA) to see how this stacks up.

I recommned I Robot gets bolded, anyone else agree?

Just watched I,Robot recently and I agree with your opinion as this is one of the best for audio on BR.

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I would like to offer two suggestions for the listing.

#1 - Remove the numbering system: If the titles aren't ranked according to quality, then it's probably not a good idea to put them in numbered order, cause I'm sure this confuses alot of people that aren't paying attention. They immediately assume that 3:10 to Yuma is the best single Blu Ray movie for audio. Go ahead and keep it alphabetical, but just remove the numbers.

#2 - If the BOLD titled movies in the top tier are the clear "elite" movies for sound quality, why not just move them up into their own private tier?



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i came across this thread and it looks like a fun read, but does this make any practical sense?
i think that sound is so different than pq. what exactly is being judged in common? hearing is too bad and too variable in adults. especially those who watch movies. so there is not this sort of judgement to be made. this is different than saying a video had a blue hue to it. that is objective and will be experienced by anyone with color vision. audio is like asking exactly what blue was there. chances are you would get many differing opinions of the blue. hearing as a mechanism to experience audio is very much individual dependent. hearing is more like reading a good book and someone else hating it. so, what tier does the book go into? we can't know unless a lot of people say exactly what they judged and there is tons of overlap. most book list go by number of sales.


Well, I might agree that it's hard to put movies into very specific categories in terms of sound, and to rate them in numerical order, but everbody is aware of certain DVD's that have sensational audio, certain DVD's that are heads and shoulders above the others in terms of audio demo material. I once worked at an audio/video specialist, and all the guys would have their "go to" demo dvd that they would use to show off the quality of speakers or a subwoofer or whatever. It's no different with Blu Ray, and with the new audio formats, it's even more important. Basically, I think everyone would agree to take this list with a grain of salt, but it's a good starting point for somebody that wants to try a movie that will really tax their audio system. I recently just got a receiver capable of lossless 7.1, and this list is very valuable to me, cause it helps me determine which movies I want to try out first.
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Last night I watched I Robot with full DTS-MA decoding by my PS3 and I would say this was the BEST BD I have heard to date. Before last night, I considered the core of Die Hard 4 to be the best (I need to rewatch this with full DTS-MA) to see how this stacks up.

I recommned I Robot gets bolded, anyone else agree?

I Agree!
And for the record,I ROBOT sounds GREAT in any format,codec and bitrate,It's a great sound mix to begin with.
Obviously the better the audio codec and bit resolution-the more detail gets thru,but the essence of the mix is still the same.
Kudos to the team of sound editors and mixers
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1. Agree with I Robot being reference quality.

2. Agree with Anthony's comments about tier structure. I'd recommend a REFERENCE tier for the bolded titles, and removal of the numbers on the tier lists since alphabetical order is sufficient. Audio quality will most likely vary more due to the greater differences in sound systems and room acoustics (as well as hearing deficits, etc.), so "absolute position" in the list for audio is not as important as a general consensus as to quality.

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I like the Reference tier for all bolded movies but if we are going to remove the numbers next to the movies, I think we should put a disclaimer stating that the list is in alphabetical order, not ranked from best to worst per tier.

I am glad I am not the only one that thinks I Robot is THAT good
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how's it looking now?
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how's it looking now?

I think I like it more without the numbers.
Good work.

Did you listen to Mr & Mrs Smith yet?

Ridiculous codec tier sig gone. Still AVC/24bit lossless fanboy.

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how's it looking now?

Nice, good job
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how's it looking now?

Great Job!

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Dave Matthews should be reference... Find one person who doesn't agree...
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I've held off on Mr & Mrs Smith cause of price. There is a rumor it might be on sale at Target starting Sunday for $19.99. Time will tell but I'll be on the lookout for a good price if not.
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Looks like you have 2 votes for Hitman for tier 1 vs 1 for Tier 0, unless others are chime in [or I miscounted the votes], or you have received some PM's, it should be moved to Tier 1. Please advise. Thanks.

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Hitman

definitely tier 0

Just wish more people could see and play in True HD

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I am such a noob. Is there anywhere that explains all of these new terms (at least they're new to me) like DTS-HD, TRUEHD, lossless audio, etc?

Also, will these new HD audio tracks play on my dated receiver? I have a 6 year old Yamaha with DTS and 7.1 capabilities. If it matters, I'm using a PS3 with a digital optical audio cable. Thanks
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I am such a noob. Is there anywhere that explains all of these new terms (at least they're new to me) like DTS-HD, TRUEHD, lossless audio, etc?

Also, will these new HD audio tracks play on my dated receiver? I have a 6 year old Yamaha with DTS and 7.1 capabilities. If it matters, I'm using a PS3 with a digital optical audio cable. Thanks

You will not be able to play the new lossless codecs via optical. You'll need an HDMI connection and your receiver will have to be able to decode LPCM on all 7.1 channels.

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Ratatouille is reference. The detail is extraordinary.
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Looks like you have 2 votes for Hitman for tier 1 vs 1 for Tier 0, unless others are chime in [or I miscounted the votes], or you have received some PM's, it should be moved to Tier 1. Please advise. Thanks.

think the votes for 1 and 0 are pretty even, really not sure where to put it. for now will leave it at tier 0. for sure it won't be bolded.

hopefully that's agreeable.
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Rats is good. I don't think it's reference. It doesn't quite measure up to the other titles on the list. It's top quality tier 0 though.

AVP:R is Tier 0(sounds immaculate)

AVP is Tier 2. (doesn't sound very appealing, may be the sound design) It isn't tier 0 that's for sure.

X3 is Tier 1(give it another listen guys, it's not up to par today)

Ridiculous codec tier sig gone. Still AVC/24bit lossless fanboy.

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Ratatouille is reference. The detail is extraordinary.

Agree BIG TIME!
Reference it truly is and a vote from me.
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The list looks great. You do still have the numbers on Tier 3 though. Wow, so Mr. & Mrs. Smith is really that good? I know a couple of people mentioned it, but enough people to get it sent to the Reference level?

Off Topic: I'm not sure if many people in this thread are gamers, but I'm interested in knowing which PS3 games with lossless sound the best. Maybe you can post a comment in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1020790
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Rats is good. I don't think it's reference. It doesn't quite measure up to the other titles on the list. It's top quality tier 0 though.

AVP:R is Tier 0(sounds immaculate)

AVP is Tier 2. (doesn't sound very appealing, may be the sound design) It isn't tier 0 that's for sure.

X3 is Tier 1(give it another listen guys, it's not up to par today)


With all due respect, the dynamics of the sound track are the best blu-ray has to offer and the detail and transparency are as good as recorded sound can provide. Add on to these things the fact that the sound design for the film is amazing and you have have a reference quality recording. I realize the soundtrack may not be as exciting as others, but it sure as heck is immersive - which is the whole point of multi-channel surround sound.
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With all due respect, the dynamics of the sound track are the best blu-ray has to offer and the detail and transparency are as good as recorded sound can provide. Add on to these things the fact that the sound design for the film is amazing and you have have a reference quality recording. I realize the soundtrack may not be as exciting as others, but it sure as heck is immersive - which is the whole point of multi-channel surround sound.

I agree. I've watched Rat many times and the SQ always impresses me. Simply a stellar job.
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