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post #631 of 2680 Old 05-22-2008, 08:43 AM
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Wouldn't it be the same on HD-DVD and Blu-ray?

I would think so with regards to the DTS track. The HD DVD has DD+ at a higher bit-rate than the BD's DD offering. I forgot which track I preferred overall, but I was fairly certain that the two tracks are from different mixes (which I now guess is not the case). Surround use and bass levels can be significantly different after volume matching. I mentioned the specific differences in an old thread within the HD DVD forum, but searching for it would be a bit of a pain. One scene to test is when Nick Cage exits his car to enter the plane. I think the DTS track had much more hefty bass, but it was lacking subtle details and the surround imaging found in the DD+ track.
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It's not a different mix... it's a different encode.

Two completely different things

He was talking about comparing 2 different movies, responding to this line particularly:

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I have listened to the DTS-ES track on HD DVD and it was killer. Definitely better than many titles featuring lossless audio.


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So how does something get moved to Reference? Are more opinions needed? M&C with DTS HD MA lossless is Reference IMHO!

Yes, the OP will gather a few more votes, and usually will ask for if anybody objects to move it there.

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He was talking about comparing 2 different movies, responding to this line particularly:

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I have high hopes for the upcoming Men In Black BD. I always thought the sound quality was very good for that film but I don't think it gets enough recognition IMHO by viewers. I always enjoyed his music score also.

The potential is there what with a proposed TrueHD track so I'll remain cautiously optimistic.
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I Robot (DTS HD MA) Tier 0
Finally I got around to watch this on BD. I agree with those who think this isn't quiet reference, but almost there. There were just minor inconsistencies with bass, and some follies that prevents me to recommend this back to it's bold status.

In The Valley Of Elah (Dolby True HD) Tier 1

This is a dialog driven drama with some nice music cues, and an occasional war time flash backs that feature some tension adding moments with some bass. The sense of space through out is very natural, and everything sounds very balanced, a solid track.

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National Treasure 2 is tier one. True HD. Right up there with 30 days of night.
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National Treasure 2 is tier one. True HD. Right up there with 30 days of night.

That(NT2) would be Tier 0. And I agree.

National Treasure is Tier 1 though.

Ridiculous codec tier sig gone. Still AVC/24bit lossless fanboy.

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Most Major studios>Small Studios>dogs>cats>Warner(the guys that do new movies)
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In The Valley Of Elah (Dolby True HD) Tier 1

This is a dialog driven drama with some nice music cues, and an occasional war time flash backs that feature some tension adding moments with some bass. The sense of space through out is very natural, and everything sounds very balanced, a solid track.

Thanks for the kind words
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FilmMixer and thehun,

Have you listened to the audio tracks on Face/Off ? If so what's your opinion ? I though the sound mixing was top notch and rivaled many titles with lossless mixes. Please post your thoughts.

Blu-ray : 340
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I only have the DVD from almost a decade ago, I wasn't too fond of that, but I will check out the BD soon. Unlike others I don't think that the track has to be lossless to be considered excellent. Stay tuned..........

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i had a feeling i got some catching up to do after being away on business for 4 days. will start updating.
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updated, kinda glad most of the posts were either comments or tier ratings of the same movies.

i moved Master & Commander to reference, but i won't list the entire movie title for this one.
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Justin Timberlake: Live at Madison Square Garden
The decision on where to put this title's 5.1 PCM track at 48kHz/24-bit was a bit hard to choose because I didn't feel it was as middle as Tier 2, but judging by the three concerts of Tier 1, this title was just lacking. Sound design is pathetic for a concert, especially for one of JT's popularity. He tries to give his music an acoustic treatment, but in the end, it doesn't work. As for technical aspects, the sound quality is great as everything is clearly heard, but it ends just there. The control of the reverb/echo in the singer's vocals are nonexistant as there is plenty of it. Also, the fans' screaming is heard almost constantly, which although immersive, isn't beneficial to making the concert feel special and dominate the rear channels. Overall, the audio track's biggest weakness is that the mixing between the performers and their audience makes the viewer feel a bit removed from the show. Tier 2...
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I watched this last night and I would recommend Tier 1. The audio was good, but I was disappointed in the surround usage. The surround and bass was good when the monster was anywhere around but with the exception of one scene, I thought the bass could have been better.

I expect much better from Cloverfield
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Juno (DTS HD MA) Tier 3

Another example that encoding format will have very little on the outcome, but rather sound design, and type of movie, which normally goes hand in hand. Pretty much everything was crammed into the front and even further to the center. The many silly little songs that was written and performed for this movie sounded mono with no separation between voices and instruments, and I'm sure that's how it was intended. Fidelity remained high however, nothing sounded compressed, or strained. Nevertheless this won't be part of your audio demo material.



JKcheng, the "In The Valley of Elah" should be in Tier 1 NOT Tier 0

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I watched this last night and I would recommend Tier 1. The audio was good, but I was disappointed in the surround usage. The surround and bass was good when the monster was anywhere around but with the exception of one scene, I thought the bass could have been better.

I expect much better from Cloverfield

Forgot to mention this was a PCM track, both Korean and English
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Hidalgo: Tier 0. I would argue this approaches reference quality. The PQ and the AQ of this movie are both excellent make it a "must see" if you like action-adventure.

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Great thread! Even though I don't a own a blu-ray player. But will someday.

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Great thread! Even though I don't a own a blu-ray player. But will someday.


Pain, your signature has a different title for your thread than your actual thread, any reason?
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Pain, your signature has a different title for your thread than your actual thread, any reason?

I'm working on changing the main title, thanks for reminding me, need to send a pm to a mod.

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Shinobi: Heart Under Blade
Dolby TrueHD Japanese track is definitely Tier 2 as listed. Although sound quality is pretty good, the sound design is unrealistic. LFE is quite bombastic and unnecessary at times. On a good note, the soundscape is quite nice at times as rears are well used during most fights.
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Patton

Tier-4. Dialog levels way too low and the sound is accompanied by a slight hiss. The sound design definitely shows it's age. When the action kicks in the volume levels goes overboard and cacophonic.

Did you watch it all the way through? If so, when can we expect you to post your PQ rating in the other thread?
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JKcheng, the "In The Valley of Elah" should be in Tier 1 NOT Tier 0

I sent you a PM with no response yet, thanks.

i fixed it w/o replying
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Patton

Tier-4. Dialog levels way too low and the sound is accompanied by a slight hiss. The sound design definitely shows it's age. When the action kicks in the volume levels goes overboard and cacophonic.

dts-hd:ma core or lossless?
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dts-hd:ma core or lossless?

DTS-HD MA core. Won't make much of a difference due to the weak and outdated mix. It doesn't take more than 5 minutes to realize how bad the SQ is.

Blu-ray : 340
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lgans316, you will be pleased to know that the DTS MA 7.1 track on Rambo breaks the 7.0 Mbps rate several times and has a peak of 7.3 Mbps. And most importantly it delivers.
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lgans316, you will be pleased to know that the DTS MA 7.1 track on Rambo breaks the 7.0 Mbps rate several times and has a peak of 7.3 Mbps. And most importantly it delivers.

Thanks buddy. I have already seen 7.8 ~ 8.0 Mbps peaks on Shoot Em Up and Orphanage which is just few bits less than the Average Video Bit Rate on Warner discs.

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lgans316, you will be pleased to know that the DTS MA 7.1 track on Rambo breaks the 7.0 Mbps rate several times and has a peak of 7.3 Mbps. And most importantly it delivers.

How would you rate the audio?
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