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what do you guys think about this?

Boldface and all caps the titles in Tier0 that are undisputed Tier 0 titles. Titles like Black Hawk Down where no one has ranked below tier 0 and always show up on lists of ppl listing their top audio titles would qualify.

what are some of the other titles you guys would suggest deserve this cream of the crop treatment? i'd vote Underworld and House of Flying Daggers but i think there were a few ppl who thought they were tier 1 titles at best if not tier 2.

If Underworld is anything like the DVD, then I'm afraid it will be very much disputed by me at least. I have it in my NF queue stay tuned....

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To fill up the lower ranks: The Searchers is Tier 5, I guess.
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To fill up the lower ranks: The Searchers is Tier 5, I guess.

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I know it's subjective, and just like PQ is highly dependant on equipment as well. BTW it was my opinion that the bass was thin on the AC/DC BD concert disc. My rig is also calibrated, and I don't set my subs "hot" like many people admittedly do.

Kris Deering also thought the bass was a bit thin too I don't always agree with him but this time I did.

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I guess I have too much time on my hands.

I went through the current lists (as of Jan 29) from the Blu-ray Picture Quality Tier thread and
the Audio Tier thread and compiled a list of discs on both (tier 0's & tier 1's).

The list is cross referenced with an overall score from Rotten Tomatoes
and is in highest ranked order by them.

For fun I also cross checked to see if the disc was on the Movies with Bass thread - and noted those.

96 Ratatouille
94 Casino Royale (2006)
91 Blade Runner: The Final Cut
89 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azakhban
79 Hellboy
79 Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl
77 Surf's Up
75 Black Hawk Down
74 Happy Feet
69 Fifth Element (Remastered)
65 Apocalypto
64 Curse of the Golden Flower
62 Patriot
62 Spiderman 3
61 Crank
60 300
60 Starship Troopers
55 Troy (Director's Cut)
54 Mr. & Mrs. Smith
54 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
53 Immortal Beloved

45 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
43 Final Fantasy: Spirits Within
39 Kingdom of Heaven: The Director's Cut
37 Chicken Little
30 Underworld
27 Stomp the Yard

Not on Rotten Tomatoes:
Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City
Legends of Jazz Showcase with Ramsey Lewis


A list of the best? Probably not a great consensus - but most are safe buys I would guess.
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I guess I have too much time on my hands.

I went through the current lists (as of Jan 29) from the Blu-ray Picture Quality Tier thread and
the Audio Tier thread and compiled a list of discs on both (tier 0's & tier 1's).

The list is cross referenced with an overall score from Rotten Tomatoes
and is in highest ranked order by them.

For fun I also cross checked to see if the disc was on the Movies with Bass thread - and noted those.

96 Ratatouille
94 Casino Royale (2006)
91 Blade Runner: The Final Cut
89 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azakhban
79 Hellboy
79 Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl
77 Surf's Up
75 Black Hawk Down
74 Happy Feet
69 Fifth Element (Remastered)
65 Apocalypto
64 Curse of the Golden Flower
62 Patriot
62 Spiderman 3
61 Crank
60 300
60 Starship Troopers
55 Troy (Director's Cut)
54 Mr. & Mrs. Smith
54 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
53 Immortal Beloved

45 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
43 Final Fantasy: Spirits Within
39 Kingdom of Heaven: The Director's Cut
37 Chicken Little
30 Underworld
27 Stomp the Yard

Not on Rotten Tomatoes:
Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City
Legends of Jazz Showcase with Ramsey Lewis


A list of the best? Probably not a great consensus - but most are safe buys I would guess.

Wow! Great job! Thank you.

And a movie that is sure to make this list... Pan's Labyrinth (5.1 DTS-Core) should be Tier 0. (I mentioned it a few days ago)

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Wow! Great job! Thank you.

And a movie that is sure to make this list... Pan's Labyrinth (5.1 DTS-Core) should be Tier 0. (I mentioned it a few days ago)

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I thought Underworld for both Video and Audio were superb (the dark scenes are actually watchable now) and it's on my "showoff" list to friends who stop by to watch a movie. Absolutely much better than the DVD. Weird, though...Underworld evolution was a terrible transfer to BD. I would not recommend the sequel to anyone. By the Sdvd instead.

Awesome audio: Kingdom of heaven, Casino Royale.

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My wife and I watched Die Hard 4 last night and I would have to say this was the BEST sounding movie I have heard in my theater. We listened to the DTS core of course (I can't wait until the PS3 can play the full DTS-MA) so I wonder how much better the actual DTS-MA is. Anyway, from the sound of the guns (bass), explosions (bass) miscellaneous sounds (surrounds) and clear dialogue I would rate this as the best sounding Blu-ray out there.

One thing about the movie is the surrounds get used A LOT. I would say probably 65-75% of the movie takes advantage of the surrounds. I have a 7.1 setup and all 4 of my surrounds were active for most of the movie.

I have Blackhawk Down (as well as a few of the other tier 0 ranked movies) and have heared its pcm track, but I believe Die Hard 4 should be rated as the best Blu-ray for audio, at least as far as I have heard so far.

I haven't seen War or Shoot em Up, I have heard good things about their audio as well, but as of now Die Hard 4, to me, is the best sounding Blu-ray available.

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My wife and I watched Die Hard 4 last night and I would have to say this was the BEST sounding movie I have heard in my theater. We listened to the DTS core of course (I can't wait until the PS3 can play the full DTS-MA) so I wonder how much better the actual DTS-MA is. Anyway, from the sound of the guns (bass), explosions (bass) miscellaneous sounds (surrounds) and clear dialogue I would rate this as the best sounding Blu-ray out there.

One thing about the movie is the surrounds get used A LOT. I would say probably 65-75% of the movie takes advantage of the surrounds. I have a 7.1 setup and all 4 of my surrounds were active for most of the movie.

Try Spiderman 3 -- that beats Live Free Die Hard in my opinion.


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Try Spiderman 3 -- that beats Live Free Die Hard in my opinion.

Listened to it, it has a good track (I listened to the True HD 24 bit track) but no comparison in my opinion.
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War (LPCM) Tier 1

This is much of the same type of sound that we heard on many action flicks lately, I guess it's hard to bring something new to the table? Technically there is nothing wrong with this track, it just not very involving to me or "exciting". Has great separation on the surrounds which makes that very directional which in many case it serves the film well but not all the time. It also has too much of that "techno bass" sound which gets boring after awhile. Still it's a very good track regarding balance, cohesivness, and true deep bass, just not reference IMO.

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War (LPCM) Tier 1

This is much of the same type of sound that we heard on many action flicks lately, I guess it's hard to bring something new to the table? Technically there is nothing wrong with this track, it just not very involving to me or "exciting". Has great separation on the surrounds which makes that very directional which in many case it serves the film well but not all the time. It also has too much of that "techno bass" sound which gets boring after awhile. Still it's a very good track regarding balance, cohesivness, and true deep bass, just not reference IMO.

what isnt very involving to me on this one is the movie itself. not sure about the audio as i did not see this on blu-ray.


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Underworld (LPCM) Tier2

This is seem to be a popular title when it comes to sound demo and recommendation. I always thought that the DVD was among the best example of what a modern soundtrack can sound when there is no dynamic range at all and everything is just turned way up high. The BD improves on that mass quiet a bit, dynamics are far wider here, and some of the sound elements like sound of different guns are more distinguishable. I'm sure all the gun sounds are fake, but at least one appreciate the sound designer's effort a bit better. Bass remains forceful but not very deep, like below 25hz there isn't much. Dialog in the most part is good but gets drowned out a couple of times by effects. Music is the same techno effect crap I learned to dispise over the years, and if no one is shooting then be sure well get a bash on the head with that noise with the mandatory thunderclaps of this kind of movies. Yawn!



Monster House (LPCM) Tier 0

This the work of Randy Thom whose extensive works on sound as a designer and recording/mixer ranging from Star Wars EP5/6 to Ratatouille, War Of The Wolds etc.... The sound was wery much part of this film, and as with many animation titles it is a bit overdone. But they can get away with it here because like I said it a vital part of the film. Everything is rendered with excellent clarity and balance. Bass was bone crushing when it called for yet it was well defined. Surround effects were active but "tasteful" . Score and dialog remained it tact even with loud sound effects. Dynamics were first rate too.

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Are there any Panasonic BD30m owners here that *aren't* aware of a LFE bug on uncompressed PCM via HDMI that lowers the LFE by 5dB? If so, mouse on over to the BD30 thread and read all about it. Relevance to this thread? If members are using this player to make tier recommendations, then those recommendations could be negatively affected by the bug.


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Underworld (LPCM) Tier2

This is seem to be a popular title when it comes to sound demo and recommendation. I always thought that the DVD was among the best example of what a modern soundtrack can sound when there is no dynamic range at all and everything is just turned way up high. The BD improves on that mass quiet a bit, dynamics are far wider here, and some of the sound elements like sound of different guns are more distinguishable. I'm sure all the gun sounds are fake, but at least one appreciate the sound designer's effort a bit better. Bass remains forceful but not very deep, like below 25hz there isn't much. Dialog in the most part is good but gets drowned out a couple of times by effects. Music is the same techno effect crap I learned to dispise over the years, and if no one is shooting then be sure well get a bash on the head with that noise with the mandatory thunderclaps of this kind of movies. Yawn!



Monster House (LPCM) Tier 0

This the work of Randy Thom whose extensive works on sound as a designer and recording/mixer ranging from Star Wars EP5/6 to Ratatouille, War Of The Wolds etc.... The sound was wery much part of this film, and as with many animation titles it is a bit overdone. But they can get away with it here because like I said it a vital part of the film. Everything is rendered with excellent clarity and balance. Bass was bone crushing when it called for yet it was well defined. Surround effects were active but "tasteful" . Score and dialog remained it tact even with loud sound effects. Dynamics were first rate too.

wow looks like a lot of posts were lost due to the server going down. anyways, i will add Monter House but i think you're in the minority for Underworld being in tier 2, it is at worst tier 1 for me and i along with others here thought it should be tier 0.


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wow looks like a lot of posts were lost due to the server going down. anyways, i will add Monter House but i think you're in the minority for Underworld being in tier 2, it is at worst tier 1 for me and i along with others here thought it should be tier 0.

Well it's all good, but I did explain why I placed it as such. Tier 0 is reference and Underworld is far from it. YMMV.

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Sunshine [DTS HD-MA] Tier2

This was another let down for me and really just for one reason. The dialog, to be more precise the ADR had a terrible background noise to it like a "hiss". At this day and age this is almost like a "sin" especially because this track was fine otherwise, and I would had placed it to Tier1, but quiet simply with that flaw I can't. Having said that this issue is far more pronounced at the first 20 minutes or so and seems to go away by the end of the movie.

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To fill up the lower ranks: The Searchers is Tier 5, I guess.

Not that that should scare anyone away... it's more than made up for by the quality of the movie, the photography, and the astounding picture quality of a 50+ year old movie. This is one of my favorites, and some of the shots in Monument Valley literally made my jaw drop. And this is coming from an owner of the DVD (before it was remastered).
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Not that that should scare anyone away... it's more than made up for by the quality of the movie, the photography, and the astounding picture quality of a 50+ year old movie. This is one of my favorites, and some of the shots in Monument Valley literally made my jaw drop. And this is coming from an owner of the DVD (before it was remastered).

i hope it doesnt scare anyone away. not every movie is made to wow you in the avq dept.


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English Uncompressed PCM 5.1 Surround (48kHz/16-Bit/4.6Mbps)

I'd give Crimson Tide a Tier 1 rating. The dialog was crystal clear and the surround was quite good IMHO. Got some nice jolts in places with this movie and I enjoyed it alot.
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Cars (LPCM) Tier 0

Pixar movies just absolutelly rock when it comes to audio, and Cars are among the best still IMO. I've seen the DVD a few times but I just got my BD from Amazon in so I gave it a spin. Wow, I thought I just saw a different movie. Picture and sound just leaps ahaed of the DVD. The LPCM track as in many cases encoded at lower level, so I needed to crank it up a bit to get THX reference levels. Once there this track has a lot to offer, on every way. Bass extension is among the best, and so is surround coverage has razor sharp definition that puts you right into the center of the action. Excellent dynamics along with good balance and very natural sounding dialoge especially since that we're talking about talking cars here.
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Cars (LPCM) Tier 0

Pixar movies just absolutelly rock when it comes to audio, and Cars are among the best still IMO. I've seen the DVD a few times but I just got my BD from Amazon in so I gave it a spin. Wow, I thought I just saw a different movie. Picture and sound just leaps ahaed of the DVD. The LPCM track as in many cases encoded at lower level, so I needed to crank it up a bit to get THX reference levels. Once there this track has a lot to offer, on every way. Bass extension is among the best, and so is surround coverage has razor sharp definition that puts you right into the center of the action. Excellent dynamics along with good balance and very natural sounding dialoge especially since that we're talking about talking cars here.
This is a reference track no doubt.

this is not surprising at all given the director's enthusiasm of blu-ray technology. title added to list.


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I just watched DejaVu today and was absolutely floored by the audio, especialy the LFE. WOW! Watched WAR yesterday and was just as impressed with DejaVu today as I was with WAR yesterday.


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Cars (LPCM) Tier 0

Pixar movies just absolutelly rock when it comes to audio, and Cars are among the best still IMO. I've seen the DVD a few times but I just got my BD from Amazon in so I gave it a spin. Wow, I thought I just saw a different movie. Picture and sound just leaps ahaed of the DVD. The LPCM track as in many cases encoded at lower level, so I needed to crank it up a bit to get THX reference levels. Once there this track has a lot to offer, on every way. Bass extension is among the best, and so is surround coverage has razor sharp definition that puts you right into the center of the action. Excellent dynamics along with good balance and very natural sounding dialoge especially since that we're talking about talking cars here.
This is a reference track no doubt.


I just watched this on Wed and agree with everything you said. The first time I watched this was when I got the BD30 and thought it sounded great, but it was not quite up to what I am used to with a Pixar movie. Watched it again Wed on the PS3 and that little extra something that was missing the first time was back when played on the PS3 due to the BD30 low LFE issue. Little did I know at the time that the little something that was missing was 5db of LFE. Made a big dif when played on the PS3 and the reference status is well deserved. Awesome PCM soundtrack! Hell, after CARS Wed, WAR yest, and DejaVu today, I am on overload! All 3 of these discs have amazing PCM audio tracks.

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Cars are like many movies gets most of it's bass from the main channels, not from the LFE. There were a handfull of scenes were that "little something" was missing on the PCM track, and it was indeed little, as I checked some of those scenes by flipping to the DD track, but there is far more here then bass to rave about. I haven't seen Deja Vu on Blu-Ray yet, I did see it on DVD, but I wasn't too keen on that film to revisit it again on BD .

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Just watched Hellboy and it has one of the best soundtracks I have ever heard - Without question Tier 0. Cars, on the other hand, is really nothing special - Tier 1. I am suprised by the raves its getting. I actually think the sound is a little too hot in places. the mix just seems overcooked.
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That's why it's a called subjective. People have different preferences when it comes to soundtracks, I'm not sure why you're surprised at all.

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3:10 To Yuma (LPCM) Tier1

Lionsgate seems like only releasing movies with soundtracks that becomes tier 0 or tier 1 on thsese pages. This movie is no different. All in all this is a very good track, the only reason I don't give it Tier 0 is because all the sounds regardless wher it came from were just "jumped" at you, which for me took away from realism. In other words the sound in places became it's own character as opposed to serve the film. I'm sure this was intentional, and I can see this was probably the reason why many like this soundtrack, but to me this works much better for animation rather then for live action film let alone a western. Other then that this was a fine track.

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3:10 To Yuma (LPCM) Tier1

Lionsgate seems like only releasing movies with soundtracks that becomes tier 0 or tier 1 on thsese pages. This movie is no different. All in all this is a very good track, the only reason I don't give it Tier 0 is because all the sounds regardless wher it came from were just "jumped" at you, which for me took away from realism. In other words the sound in places became it's own character as opposed to serve the film. I'm sure this was intentional, and I can see this was probably the reason why many like this soundtrack, but to me this works much better for animation rather then for live action film let alone a western. Other then that this was a fine track.


Did you get to listen to the 7.1 pcm track or 5.1 pcm?
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Did you get to listen to the 7.1 pcm track or 5.1 pcm?

There is only a 7.1 track on that, but since I only have 5.1 hooked up my preamp was "folding" the back surrounds into the sides.
My set up follows an ITU speaker placement model, with monopoles all around.With the imaging afforded by this set up, I don't really need 2 extra speakers, nor would have influenced my opinion of this track. I used to have a 7.1 set up, and I really don't miss it.

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