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post #361 of 763 Old 12-08-2007, 02:02 PM - Thread Starter
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Xylon, is it just me, or do the last two screenshots you've posted from the Superbit DVD have a horrible orange push (similar to the lamp/door one previously, but at least there you had the excuse of the superimposed letter that you might want to notice)? The Blu-ray is again darker, but the colors look more natural.

I think I may have to pick this title up, as I'm now officially intrigued by this discussion and want to see what the finished product looks like in motion.

Thats just the way its lighted. Look at the BD shots the color is there too. But not much
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Aside from the horrible transfer, how many of you think this is a good movie really.
When I first saw this, I was hoping for a twisted, really horror-filled version of the story.
It started out great with Keanu in bed with vampires and the baby eating part.
But Dracula's hair-don't and clothes reminded me of whacky Aunt Martha.
The rest of the movie kind of dragged for me and wasn't scary or disturbing.
I guess the transfer kind of matches the quality of the movie, jmo.

For me this has a special place as I saw it at the Chinese Hollywood, and it was the first time I saw the then new 'Dolby Digital Train' logo. Blew me away, then the sound design of the movie was unreal. Each video release with the capper being the Critereon LD was the best of its time. So most of those memories come back each time I see it.
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So where did the green light come from?

Once again the definition on this release is mindblowingly pathetic.
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don't you remember, Kram? Our displays are "off"

The scene was "suppossed" to be lit from the bluish moonlight coming through the window behind Dracula. If this isn't a clear example of revisionism....


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That's true. All our displays must be "off" for Dracula to look this incorrect. On a properly calibrated display the black detail is there, the colors pop, and it looks detailed. Now I get it.

Countdown to fixed release of this disc...
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has the crack pipe been passed around?, the BD is by FAR the best looking, what is the problem here?

just because this doesn't look like Crank people/fanboys have to get their panties in a wad

-Gary

This quote never gets old, comedy gold
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This quote never gets old, comedy gold

How about this one?

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The color in this release finally matches that of the original prints -- controlled, colorful when necessary -- but dark. The blacks on this release work well, and shadow detail, when needed is at hand.

-Robert Harris

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Dracula, the "green and red Christmas" version.

what a joke!
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So the light source is supposed to be moonlight in that shot? Why is it green then? Green torch outside the window?
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This quote never gets old, comedy gold

Sad to see such well known members talking like this release is anything other than complete crap. There is no 2 ways about it this transfer is PISS POOR. I don't think theres anything they didn't screw up.
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I am thinking about dedicating a complete web site to this abomination of a release, I want to make the world see how Dracula has been mistreated on BD!

If I make a website, will you guys help me, you know supply screen grabs and other material ?
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I am thinking about dedicating a complete web site to this abomination of a release, I want to make the world see how Dracula has been mistreated on BD!

If I make a website, will you guys help me, you know supply screen grabs and other material ?

You did a fantastic job in bringing about change with PoTC: CoBP. Please work you magic with Sony.

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You did a fantastic job in bringing about change with PoTC: CoBP. Please work you magic with Sony.

Thanks man, I am thinking about dedicating a lot of my spare time to get this disk corrected, but I just need to think the whole process through, how to approch the studio, the web based HD news sites etc.

I am open to suggestions
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Thanks to Denner, Xylon, Dave Mack, you guys are my HD heroes
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Well I just bought this movie. I never owned it on DVD and I only paid $10 so I can't be too displeased, but it's always disappointing to see a half assed remaster. If they do reremaster it I hope they offer free replacements again like they did with The 5th Element, I'm still kinda pissed at Warner with how they handled FMJ.
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When HD goes bad:

The Fifth Element [1st release]
Traffic
Spartacus
Tremors
The 40 Year Old Virgin
The Last Starfighter
Bram Stoker's Dracula
the misframed section of POTC
All the Warner 1080i releases

The horror...
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Yes I would love to dedicate a web page to crappy HD releases, I to hate the way Universal is re using their old "SD" masters for their new HD releases, but I will start with Dracula because this is a movie that I really care for !!!
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When HD goes bad:

All the Warner 1080i releases

The horror...

Which are those again? I know of three: "Full Metal Jacket" (white cover), "The Fugitive" and "The Perfect Storm." Any others I'm missing?
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I am curious do other titles get as much scrutiny as this title. I have the film on BD and it's no where near as bad as people are describing on here.
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More superimposed words that are now no longer visible. But this was the "intention" all along? mmmhmmm....









It's not that in and of itself it's so horrid, it's just that it's so dramatically different than all previous versions with previously seen effects, sets now rendered virtually invisible because of the crushed blacks and then the altered color scheme in parts. The above shot, Dracula is suppossed to be backlit by MOONLIGHT. In all previous versions, it was blue, now it's green....
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Which are those again? I know of three: "Full Metal Jacket" (white cover), "The Fugitive" and "The Perfect Storm." Any others I'm missing?

Full list:

Enter the Dragon
The Fugitive
Full Metal Jacket [1st release]
Lethal Weapon (I don't see it in any of these captures though)
Lethal Weapon 2
The Perfect Storm
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

Need confirmation on:

The Twilight Zone: The Movie
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weird.. I just picked this up yesterday for 9.99 at Frys.. I want my money back..I really love this version of Dracula. ... really hate this Blu Ray.
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Which are those again? I know of three: "Full Metal Jacket" (white cover), "The Fugitive" and "The Perfect Storm." Any others I'm missing?

House of flying daggers is bad- any news of a corrected version?- read on here ages ago Sony might be working on it..?? great movie- deserves a beautiful transfer....
from what I've read BS's Dracula loks exactly how Coppola wants its to look- yes it looks terrible but thats the Director's intent I've read...dvd beaver dot com gives it a more positive review- in fact some of their screen captures look so much better than what I see I'm now wondering if there are 2 versions out there- take a look!
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The screen captures (really just shots of a screen) at DVDBeaver are so blown out and overexposed it's kind of hilarious. Check it out.

The review of the video is kind of bizarre:

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The shadows and dark areas here are stronger than in the DVD, I didn't find the result bad since this is supposed to be a dark movie and the intention behind this enhancement of dark areas maybe be related to the special effects, too much brightness in High-Def could be revealing. After watching the extras I noticed that the hi-def images of the movie (I am not referring to the "behind the scenes" recording) used in the Making-Of are indeed less contrasted and more bright with more details available, also making the artificial environment perceivable.

Note to self: when watching older movies in HD make sure the tv is dark so the special effects can't be seen.
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Good Lord! After seeing the screenshots would someone please tell the author to at least calibrate his viewing set Samsung HPR4272 1024x768 plasma then take a picture? Brightness, contrast and sharpness cranked up waaaaaaaaaaaaay too high. No mention of a capture device used or software.
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woah, something is amiss. that's not at all how my copy looks
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Reading this thread makes me want to pull out the old LD player and check out the my Criterion LD version because I don't remember the movie ever looking like this.

At least judging by the screenshots in this thread the transfer looks horrible. How anyone can defend it is beyond me. The one close up of Winona Ryder is horrid, all the detail seen in her hair on the DVD is COMPLETELY absent on the BD shot. What good is the extra resolution if you're just going to crush out all the detail? Although having said that there really isn't all that much extra detail even in the brighter shots. It's there but not significant.

Looking at the shots with the text I can't accept the explaination that this is how it's SUPPOSED to look. That make no sense to me.
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