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post #751 of 771 Old 10-17-2012, 10:20 AM
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Just went through the new Sony UK re-release of BSD. It is the 2012 version.

The menus are identical to the 2007 version and those who were remotely hoping for the possibility of a new transfer are going to be disappointed.

Considering it is the 20th anniversary of the film, I think it falls way short of expectations for fans who saw it in the cinema.

The transfer is identical to the 2007 version and all the issues that some fans raised are still there. Now I am sure that transfer technology improved dramatically in the last 5 years as studios are now fully versed with the capabilities of the new format. But alas no, we got the transfer when the technology was newer and less explored.

I would have hoped that Sony for the 20th anniversary could have issued a 2 disc version. One with the older transfer that many preferred and was shown on HD Channels like Sky. The other with the new tinkered and revised look.

Sony had 5 years to prepare this and surely we could get some more documentaries added.

Just like some of the James Bond movies like On Her Majesty's Secret Service or The Living Daylights to name a few which have colour timing alterations. In OHMSS, in the opening scene where Bond tries to rescue Tracy, in the original it is supposed to be the break of dawn and it is supposed to be darker. But the new version is revised and it looks clear as day.

And I won't mention what an original sound mixer on the early Bond film said about his shock about the alterations. But of course, we still have to drink the Lowry koolaide and enjoy DNR at it's finest and be thankful for it like the idiots they think some of us must be.

I really want to Sony to dig deeper and listen to fans of BSD. It is a major film and unfortunately, I have to refer to my 1997 DVD or 2001 Superbit to watch the film as I remembered it. Ironic that a transfer 15 years old or 11 years old seems to be more pleasing.

This argument that this is exactly as the filmmaker intended is moot. Sky are allegedly showing the older wrong transfer still and that means that many viewers will get used to that look and appreciate it.

And the amount of DVD's on Ebay of the old version means that many will still be watching the film as allegedly unintended.

So I ask Sony to give us 2 versions on the same disc and let us decide which one we would prefer. The world will not end as we know it if there are 2 versions.

And please don't get me started that in 2012 it is harder for a film to have it's original burned in subtitles. That is another reason why this is not the version which accurately reproduces it's exact cinematic look. No expert can argue that one.
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Remember how baffled we all were when French Connection hit blu-ray with that bizarro transfer? We were even told that it was a Friedkin-approved revision. Then, not only did we get a proper-looking transfer, but Friedkin even spoke about how much he hated that first transfer too!!!

It would totally not surprise me to see the same thing happen with Coppola and Dracula.
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There's also the Night of the Living Dead 1990 (a Sony-sourced transfer like BSD), which we were told was done under the "consultation" of its director of photography but in reality was totally changed without any specific input from him. All they did was get some basic direction from him over the phone and then they proceeded to wildly misinterpret him: http://www.cinemalowdown.com/2012/11/cinema-lowdown-exclusive.html
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Remember how baffled we all were when French Connection hit blu-ray with that bizarro transfer? We were even told that it was a Friedkin-approved revision. Then, not only did we get a proper-looking transfer, but Friedkin even spoke about how much he hated that first transfer too!!!
It would totally not surprise me to see the same thing happen with Coppola and Dracula.

The first French Connection transfer was definitely due to Friedkin. There is an extra on the Blu-ray with him and a video guy in front of a monitor showing how the effect was achieved. He seems to have done a u-turn and wiped that from his mind for the rerelease.
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Remember how baffled we all were when French Connection hit blu-ray with that bizarro transfer? We were even told that it was a Friedkin-approved revision. Then, not only did we get a proper-looking transfer, but Friedkin even spoke about how much he hated that first transfer too!!!
It would totally not surprise me to see the same thing happen with Coppola and Dracula.
The French Connection got fixed because the DP got up in arms and persuaded Friedkin to do something about it. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be anyone at all pushing Coppola to fix Bram Stoker's Dracula.
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The French Connection got fixed because the DP got up in arms and persuaded Friedkin to do something about it. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be anyone at all pushing Coppola to fix Bram Stoker's Dracula.

I can only assume that the reason to not fix BSD is a financial one as Sony have made huge losses. The Blu Ray of BSD works best for those who never saw the film in the cinema or on the earlier transfers.

Ignorance is bliss. And relaying Coppola's wishes for BSD is not exactly getting my confidence high that the 2007 Blu Ray is the definitive version. The defence of a transfer that has obvious technical issues is suspicious at best.
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So this is the same old DARK-CULA transfer then. mad.gif

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Personally I would not expect to see Bram Stoker's Dracula properly remastered until the next format comes out. Whenever 4K movies from Sony start rolling out, I could see a new transfer being struck. The chances of this movie being remastered for Blu-ray are slim and none.

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There is another way http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=251182253244

Damn I was tempted but the bid is over $1000 now and that is pricey. Hi Vision Laserdisc.. Never heard of it.

Man, I would be willing to buy a HD copy of the old transfer and need to get one.
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Personally I would not expect to see Bram Stoker's Dracula properly remastered until the next format comes out. Whenever 4K movies from Sony start rolling out, I could see a new transfer being struck. The chances of this movie being remastered for Blu-ray are slim and none.

That's a long way off and even then, we may still get a 4k darkened as well as less contrasted version. There is a trend sadly to make older titles look more contemporary.

As a fan, a 1080p transfer of the classic version is a dead end in terms of hoping.
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Very disappointing. I love the story, actors, and the way FFC put it all together. I would buy a quality remastered BluRay in a second.
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If it's a 4K re-master, I'd get it faster than Bernie Madoff going after a child's lunch money! Even better if it gets a new multi-channel sound-mix ala Apocalypse Now. It could be a good Atmos remix title.
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why would anyone assume it's a 4K master and not simply repackaging?

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That's a pretty nebulous response... I mean if it is, great.

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why would anyone assume it's a 4K master and not simply repackaging?
Sony said, way back when, that they were expending massive resources to re-master their film catalog from the 60's to 90's in 4K whenever possible, so that once UHD took off, they would have a huge pile of titles to offer for UHDBD and streaming. We're at the point where those titles are showing up on the 4K streaming services and this is one of those titles.
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Even if the movie is rescanned at 4k, it could still very well wind up graded to match the same miscolored, black-crushed answer print that was used for the existing Blu-ray, if someone at Zoetrope continues to insist that's the way the movie is supposed to look.

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I have hope that Sony uses a different, new transfer.

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