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post #121 of 163 Old 01-23-2005, 11:20 AM
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I wonder when we'll be able to include HD-DVD titles in our Netflix queue?
If they release some titles where the only option is to buy a DVD/HD-DVD combo disk then Netflix will pretty much be forced to carry some of them. Otherwise it will be up to Netflix and I'm not sure how long it will take.

I just cancelled Netflix because I don't watch a lot of DVDs anymore with HD around, but if they add HD-DVD and BluRay disks I would probably join again. I think it would even be reasonable to have each BluRay disk count as 2 out if they cost significantly more. That way they wouldn't have to add the complication of multiple kinds of memberships.

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The Netflix angle is very interesting. Clearly they were at the forefront of the dvd rental market. Good thing, since they carry a whole boatload of Indie films (such as My Life Without Me) as well as Indian films (Sholay), and instructional/ documentary productions (hey, rent Merce Cunningham on dvd, not bad). Thus it stands to reason they will carry one or both hd formats. They are probably doing some test marketing now to determine the right price point. In other words, $25 per month for 3 discs out at a time. That would seem fair, or at least not out of the ballpark.

There is so much to watch on dvd, and there will be so much to watch on the newer formats, why quit netflix? Service has been great , and selection is also pretty darn good.
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There is so much to watch on dvd, and there will be so much to watch on the newer formats, why quit netflix? Service has been great , and selection is also pretty darn good.
Because I have piles of HD that I haven't watched and so don't watch a lot of DVDs. Those DVDs I do want to watch I can rent locally or buy since there aren't a lot of them. I enjoyed the IMAX films from Netflix, but now I have many of those in HD. If Netflix rents either HD-DVD or BluRay I will likely join again at that time.

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This has been an interesting read. All the other High Res disc threads on AVS seems to disintegrate into rants about DRM. Very Tiring to read.

I'm actively trying not to buy any more DVDs than necessary for the next 6-9 months. I only have about 100, and probably forty of those are child related/disney. I do have most of the WMVHD discs-so I've got a good idea of what these will look like. I use Coral Reef Adventure for Demoing my MCE/PJ setup. It is truly stunning when you make it really big-even on a 576p pj.

I'm more interested in price points on PC drives. Supposedly, my X800SE video card is supposed to be HDCP capable (we'll see). I would think the PC drives would be 50% of the cost of a player. Anyway, my plan is to extend the HTPC/MCE box I have and forget about standalone players. If the drives are SATA (would think they would be), I can add a Bluray and HDDVD, as long as one will still play regular DVDs-and still have room for my DVD burner.

The discussion about the new DD and DTS formats is really interesting. It has now stopped my new receiver shopping in its tracks-I early adopted a very nice Yamaha in 1998 that only has DD5.1 (which was pretty high end in 1998). Its now in my living room for a second zone of HT where the DLP TV resides. But, the crappy, cheap JVC I bought to have ES/EX and analog inputs "temorarily" drives me crazy sound quality wise -so I want another higher end receiver, but now I'll wait again to make sure I don't end up with something that won't decode the "newest" format.

Guess I start following all the threads on the new audio formats.

Keep up the good info and discussion. PLEASE don't let this thread degrade on the DRM issue-its coming, accept it, and enjoy the content.

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http://www.dolby.com/resources/tech_...TechLibItem=10

I found the link above to a DD+ brochure. It looks like this is backaward compatible with existing receivers-BUT, the existing DD5.1/EX decoder chips are set to receive a maximum bitrate of 648kb/s. The new standard allows up to 6mb/s-so it looks like you'll need a new receiver to really take advantage of better sound. Assuming that the content providers encode at higher bitrates.

Maybe I'll just get a receiver/amp with 7.1 channel inputs and let ever more powerful soundcards and playback software do the decoding. I'm not dropping another $1000 plus on a receiver to see it get obsolete fast. Receivers last a long time and my 1987 JVC "A/V Receiver" currently dishes out tunes in the garage.

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Maybe I'll just get a receiver/amp with 7.1 channel inputs and let ever more powerful soundcards and playback software do the decoding. I'm not dropping another $1000 plus on a receiver to see it get obsolete fast.
With these new things coming I decided that the best compromise for me was to get this. That is the top of the line Pioneer 7.1 that isn't Pioneer Elite. At $400 or so total I figure that I'll get some nice enjoyment and won't feel too bad if I need to replace it later. I've been very happy so far.

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As first posted by Palladin in the huge HD-DVD/BD thread in the projector forum, studios are starting to talk prices for HD-DVD discs...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/GB04Dh02.html

Paramount has committed to releasing HD-DVD titles in the $20-$30 MSRP range...a $5-$10 premium over their DVD prices, but given the tiny manufacturing cost premium of HD-DVD over DVD (< $0.10 for SL HD-DVD vs. DVD9), a nice step up in profit margin.

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you thought they would be introduce at the same price? lol
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No, I'm posting factual data to counter some people's misguided assumptions that HD-DVD discs would be priced at a significant premium over DVD. A $5-$10 premium is nothing.

I'm also using this opportunity to note that because HD-DVD essentially costs the same to produce as DVD (15GB SL HD-DVD vs. DL DVD-9, based on Memory-Tech's recent run data), the extra money goes straight to the studios' bottom lines, which provides them strong incentive to push the format.

That's the beauty of HD-DVD...the perceived value of an HD-DVD disc is much higher than it's actual cost vis a vis DVD, at a level that BD can't touch for some time, if ever (Sony's cost projection for 25GB SL BD-ROM eventually costing only 10% more than a DVD-9 assumes an average per plant production run of 10,000,000 discs/month, which took DVD, the fastest penetrating video format ever, a good 6 years to achieve).

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No, I'm posting factual data to counter some people's misguided assumptions that HD-DVD discs would be priced at a significant premium over DVD.
can't remember any one saying that, on the other hand going from 20$ to 30$ is a 50% premium, so it is not like it is given away.


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Like you said most of that 10$ extra becomes profit to the studios. Honestly, I would rather see more of it go to the disk and have a better transfer of the movie.
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PS, I thought you meant that it was highly overpriced
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Anyone know what kind of audio the first HD-DVD titles will have? Will there be DTS-HD or DD Plus?
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Anyone know what kind of audio the first HD-DVD titles will have? Will there be DTS-HD or DD Plus?

I read somewhere that DTS has been incorporated into the HD disc standard. That means that it should be included on nearly all HD releases.
And if it isn't, it will be one more reason to hold out for Blu-Ray. Can anyone confirm?
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I read somewhere that DTS has been incorporated into the HD disc standard. That means that it should be included on nearly all HD releases.
And if it isn't, it will be one more reason to hold out for Blu-Ray. Can anyone confirm?
And will it be FULL bit rate?

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What they did not tell you, they will use snapper cases with 50 stick on seals and many mag strips, and O' BTW the seals do not peal off, but rip the cardboard snapper covers. Man-O-Man what a format! I can wait........

OTOH; There is the good old D-VHS / D-Theater TAPE(s) (AKA; REAL full bitrate HDTV!) But everyone knows there is NO demand at all for this dead horse, right?

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I keep saying I want to wait for both technologies to hit the market (Blue ray and HD-DVD) and either wait for one to die or someone sells a universal player. Does anyone know if it will even be possible to make a universal player? Since they are two different technologies, maybe they cannot be ran on the same machine. That would suck if one of them doesn't die off. I (like many) don't have the extra room in my entertainment center for multiple players. Plus seems ridiculous to spend the money for two separate players as well.
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the extra money goes straight to the studios' bottom lines, which provides them strong incentive to push the format.
1) If this was such a big difference, why are half of the studios, majority of the gaming industry, the CE/computer industry, and porn industry supporting Blu Ray? Apparently, the superiority of the Blu Ray format is a bigger concern for the majority of people so far.

2) That is the only incentive for studios, other than that Blu Ray is significantly superior all the way around: 25 and 50 GB discs with the potential to reach 100 and 200 GB. Bandwidth of Blu Ray already slated to reach twice the bandwidth of HD-DVD (reaching 72 Mbps and potentially higher). Recording capacity that with 50 GB now and will reach 100 GB, and a prototype of 200 GB is in the lab. Then you have 10X times LESS power requirements for recording for Blu Ray which is huge for portable recording. Since cost to the consumer will be roughly equivalent, why would a consumer chose HD-DVD over Blu Ray? I believe it is in the best interests of consumers to resist temptation of buying HD-DVD products, forcing the three holdout studios to release product on Blu Ray.

My plan is to purchase a Blu Ray player, probably entry level, as well as all the movies I like that are released in the Blu Ray format. I'll watch Warner Brother movies on DVD on the Blu Ray player which will use all digital upscaling to the desired resolution of 1080p (or 1080i/720p just as you selecet with HDTV set top boxes for those wanting 720p/1080i). When Warner Brothers comes around, fine, I'll buy their HD movies on Blu Ray. I look forward to seeing the success of Blu Ray with computer, games, music videos, and movies.

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Buying both formats ultimately prolongs a format war. No universal player has been announced. It is already bad enough we have to have SACD/DVD-Audio universal players. In this case, Blu Ray is vastly superior so why would you want to force us to buy a universal player which is more expensive, have two sets of HD movie collections, buy two stands/categorize three sets of movies (DVD, Blu Ray, HD-DVD)... even if this is possible why on earth just wait 8 months from now and see what both formats final specs are and chose to support only the better format?
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Thanks for the info! :)

I counted 38 titles I'd buy right away if only they were released on Blu-ray. Showed the list to my wife who doesn't give a damn about the upcoming format war and she said buy both. What can I say, she's a huge Harry Potter fan. ;) So as long as both Blu-ray and HD-DVD hardware are priced around the $1000 mark looks like they both may get a sale from my family.
Ditto here. My wife would buy whatever it takes to see the Harry Potter movies in HD. She is also a HUGE Harry Potter fan.

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In this case, Blu Ray is vastly superior so why would you want to force us to buy a universal player which is more expensive, have two sets of HD movie collections, buy two stands/categorize three sets of movies (DVD, Blu Ray, HD-DVD)... even if this is possible why on earth just wait 8 months from now and see what both formats final specs are and chose to support only the better format?
Lets throw out a hypothetical. By mid to late 2006 HD DVD has 500 titles many many of which are films you would just love to see in HD. Blu Ray is just getting started with say 50 titles but the gaming industry is in with it in a big way but like me you are a movie buff and not a gamer. I'll be in with HDDVD with both feet. My limited life span thing keeps popping up at least for me.

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If HD DVD comes out this fall, and Blu Ray 6 months later and and by then HD lowers the price of it's players won't Blu Ray be forced to match it?

I would like to see a price war.

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1) I want a winner (not 2 formats)
2) I don't want to spend money on a useless player.


yes, like you, I am not interested that much into games, but the point is that if one format winns the PC/gaming world, it will help BR win the video war. Replicators are replicators and the more replication helps, also more players (for PCs PS#...) will help reduce the price of the players components faster then HD-DVD
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The only thing I know for sure (not theoretical) is that Blu Ray is significantly more capable all the way around: 25 and 50 GB discs with the potential to reach 100 and 200 GB. Bandwidth of Blu Ray greater than HD-DVD and already slated to reach twice the bandwidth of HD-DVD (reaching 72 Mbps and potentially higher). Recording capacity that with 50 GB now and will reach 100 GB, and a prototype of 200 GB is in the lab. Then you have 10X times LESS power requirements for recording for Blu Ray which is huge for portable recording.

If cost to the consumer will be roughly equivalent and copyprotection/digital rights will be the same, why would a consumer chose HD-DVD over Blu Ray? I believe it is in the best interests of consumers to resist temptation of buying HD-DVD products, forcing the three holdout studios to release product on Blu Ray. Certainly two of those three studios will likely cave very quickly. These are obviously plans based on today's knowledge. I hope Blu Ray continues to give consumers reasons (such as adoptation of the advanced video codecs) to unite for one superior format. Would be great to see one superior format (Blu Ray) for games, movies, music, and music videos.

I'm not sure what is going on with DVD-Audio and SACD 2.0, however, DVD-Audio/MLP (as well as DD+) is mandatory in HD-DVD players. As a personal preference, one of the last negative aspects of Blu Ray (for me) would be lack of inclusion of MLP (DVD-Audio) as mandatory. I believe MLP is a wonderful audio codec with great features which is necessary to include for DVD-Audio support anyway. With today's HD standards, music videos released for Blu Ray should support 24/96 audio with 1080p video. I would strongly prefer mandatory support in Blu Ray players instead of optional support. If too many manufacturers make models without MLP/DVD-Audio capability, you will likely see the same continued lack of success of MLP as we see today. DTS is now offering Lossless capability, but it is not DVD-Audio (needed for backward compatability), and also seems to be less efficient than DTS. Seems to me you could provide a lossless 24/48 multichannel MLP track for movies in addition to a few DD tracks (other language, commentary, etc..) for the price of a single DTS track which includes core DTS + lossless DTS info. While I'm certainly glad consumers can have lossless quality with movies, I'd prefer to have MLP as a choice for soundtrack compression. I think MLP should be the preferred choice for 24/96 audio + 1080p music videos.

DD+, and MLP, and SACD 2.0 are currently optional for Blu Ray players. 100% of CE manufacturers 'could' include these audio codecs if so desired, but I'm worried the el-cheapo models (good for the general public) will not include such suppport and will propagate in the future. With optional support instead of mandatory, it ends up being difficult for studios/software companies to support anything but the mandatory audio codecs (DTS Lossless) since there may be a significantly sized installed base without such codecs.

Nonetheless, the superiority and capabilities of Blu Ray are obvious. My plan is to purchase a Blu Ray player, probably entry level, as well as all the movies I like that are released in the Blu Ray format. I'll watch Warner Brother movies on DVD on the Blu Ray player which will use all digital upscaling to the desired resolution of 1080p (or 1080i/720p just as you selecet with HDTV set top boxes for those wanting 720p/1080i). When Warner Brothers comes around, fine, I'll buy their HD movies on Blu Ray. I look forward to seeing the success of Blu Ray with computer, games, music videos, and movies.

I'm sure we will all need to see the final prices/specifications of Blu Ray/HD-DVD, but at somepoint later this year, I think it will be important for consumers to rally behind one of these formats. Supporting both formats is way to expensive, and the shorter the format war, the better. The competition is really starting to outlive its usefulness. Both formats have improved because of the competition, but it is soon becoming time for support of one format only where consumers will likely have to decide their own fate. I hope cooperation prevails, and I hope One format emerges ASAP.

The vast majority of people are going to sit on the sidelines (until both formats are released), so I don't think it is critical if one format comes to market a few months before the other. Even if I had money to burn: 1) I hate redundancy 2) Universal players will not be out for a while, if ever. If universal players come out, we all know they are uneccessarily complicated, more expensive, and less likely to perform as well. 3) 2 HD players, more sets of cables, switch boxes, and categorizing 2 more sets of incompatable movies... What a mess. I sincerely hope nobody contributes to this mess and buys into both formats.
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I'm not sure what is going on with DVD-Audio and SACD 2.0, however, DVD-Audio/MLP (as well as DD+) is mandatory in HD-DVD players. As a personal preference, one of the last negative aspects of Blu Ray (for me) would be lack of inclusion of MLP (DVD-Audio) as mandatory.
If you're referring to inclusion in the players, manufacturers love these sort of things to be optional as it enables them to make a "range" of players. Adding them may only mean a $5 extra manufacture cost but if it means they can add $100 on a machine by making it a "luxury" model then they're laughing.

It's a bit like high specification versions of cars, the "SE" model or whatever might only cost an extra 3% to make but they can put 20% on the price.
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What a mess. I sincerely hope nobody contributes to this mess and buys into both formats.
Well, if the dust hasn't settled any more than it has by the time HD-DVD hits the market, I will probably be one of the one's "contributing to this mess". I avoided HD-VHS (for a number of reasons), but I will be buying one or both of the HD disk formats. I feel it will take years before this "war" is settled. So I'm just going to jump on, and try to enjoy the ride.

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people like Art, Rutgar and me will destroy it for HealthNut, because we are so easily tempted to buy into the evil HD-DVD format ;)

I like the announced pricing for HD-DVD a lot, it is still a reasonable premium to pay for a much better picture and hopefully sound.
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If HD-DVD win this war we will end up like we having DVD right now, suffer cause of DVD has limited of space. Let me ask you guys this between DVD and HD-DVD what would you pick?( I hope you guys get my point.) And Between HD-DVD and Blue-ray which would you pick? In the end we all come down to greed either Holywood, ce and consumer. We as a comsumer always got screw some how and some way Please for our sake and our best interest pick the dang Blue-ray.

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You know your ***** and you have been a great resource for real information but if there is a delay or if HDDVD puts out a lot of titles at DTheater quality I'll buy. This is irrespective of how much more capacity the disc has for BR. If the differential in release results in a lag in title availability that is anything like my hypothetical ,during the first year or so, I will probably own two players and inventories of software for a while .

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Art, just curious, does your dual CRT setup have DVI/HDMI HDCP inputs? I'm not that familiar with CRT front projectors, and was just wondering.

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Originally posted by Art Sonneborn
Health Nut,
You know your ***** and you have been a great resource for real information but if there is a delay or if HDDVD puts out a lot of titles at DTheater quality I'll buy. This is irrespective of how much more capacity the disc has for BR. If the differential in release results in a lag in title availability that is anything like my hypothetical ,during the first year or so, I will probably own two players and inventories of software for a while .

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I'm afraid I probably agree. Whilst I'd much prefer one format, I'm not a shareholder in Sony or Toshiba and at the end of the day this whole thing is about watching movies. If HD-DVD works, looks as good as D-Theater and has plenty of titles I want at a decent price I will probably buy. I will probably buy Blu-Ray on the same conditions too.

I know this probably helps lengthen the format war, but, I want HD and I will not wait for ever to get the material I want or worry too much about the politics of what is only a movie disc format. Life's too short.

Sorry!
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