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What drivel. How is that going to work when an hour of HD takes 8gigs? I guess they'd say that MPEG4 is more efficient, but obviously the quality is going to take a dive if they cut it all the way down to 3.75gigs/hr.

Of course the press just eats it up...
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What drivel. How is that going to work when an hour of HD takes 8gigs? I guess they'd say that MPEG4 is more efficient, but obviously the quality is going to take a dive if they cut it all the way down to 3.75gigs/hr.

Of course the press just eats it up...
huh? what ? where? link please :)

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They are getting those number by utilizing AVC or VC-1 at roughly 8.5 Mbps. You could squeeze HD encoding into those datarates but it of course wouldn't look as good as 12-15Mbps. But for the sake of marketing they indeed have every right to make this claim.
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http://www.technewsworld.com/story/hardware/43000.html

Actually I read it first on a different site but can't remember which. I'm sure Toshiba just released a "12 hours of HD" press release.
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But for the sake of marketing they indeed have every right to make this claim.
Of course they have "the right." But that doesn't change the fact its misleading.. then again that is marketing for you : )

Just hate that this stuff actually works in fooling the public.
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I call this the "Walmart" approach. Quantity over Quality! It's the American way!

As long as it's cheaper, we'll LOVE it! :rolleyes:

The dumbing down of America. Gotta love it! :mad:

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yep just like good old Directv and Dish Network

and America's sorry ass poor excuse for a Diet

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so hmurchison you must love your silent movies :), not to mention that 8.5 gives 11.5h.

My guess is 6mbps for video and 2 for audio

God would that suck royally, on the other hand HD-DVD only needs to prove it can cram it in, not that it will be watchable :)
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why I'm a Blu-ray man... :)

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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That is a great advertising tagline for the BD group. Copyright it!


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Feeling gay get Blueray ... :)

HD-DVD put a smile on your TV...:)
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HD-DVD put a smile on your TV...
yup, I usually smile while laughing, I guess your TV does the same thing while it is laughing at such a dumb decision as picking HD-DVD if BR is available:)
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I'm a little lost here. How can one put 12-hours worth of HD content (at what bitrate and using what CODEC) on a 45-GB disk? Between this and the 1080i-only output Toshiba may need a one-way ticket back to Japan.

When will D* stop pushing HD-Lite while charging us for full HD? Digital input on a CRT is a reality, not a possibility.
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I'm a little lost here. How can one put 12-hours worth of HD content (at what bitrate and using what CODEC) on a 45-GB disk? Between this and the 1080i-only output Toshiba may need a one-way ticket back to Japan.

8mbps of VC-1 or AVC(h.264)

The info about the Toshiba 1080i only was false.

Go HD-DVD!!!
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[quote=REWJR]Feeling gay get Blueray ... :)

Im not sure how someone can write this when they claim to be an "Advanced Member"
Sounds like something straight out of a grade 2 classroom!

BTW I'm a 100% Blu-Ray man! :cool:
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Feeling gay get Blueray ... :)

Im not sure how someone can write this when they claim to be an "Advanced Member"
Sounds like something straight out of a grade 2 classroom!

BTW I'm a 100% Blu-Ray man! :cool:

Ahhhhhh I don't know about that. There's gotta be like .01 percent of you firmly seated in HD-DVDs corner ;)
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8mbps of VC-1 or AVC(h.264)

The info about the Toshiba 1080i only was false.

Go HD-DVD!!!
Silent movie fan? Plan to add some audio? :)

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well he is getting better, last time he said 8.5 Mbps. Still no sound or anything else, but at least this time there is enough place for the whole 12h
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Ahem fellas. The thread is concerned with video only. Had audio entered into the equation then obviously hitting 12 hrs would be nigh impossible.
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lol, but most of us are talking real life.


Is this how the HD-DVD side comes up with all its numbers

It says 45GB HD-DVD, never said one disk, it takes 3 of them

HD-DVD is real close in production cost to DVD, well at least the red HD-DVD costs the same

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Ahem fellas. The thread is concerned with video only. Had audio entered into the equation then obviously hitting 12 hrs would be nigh impossible.
I suppose you could say 384Kbps DD wouldn't affect the 8Mbps number much. And maybe there is a VBR for audio to get that down farther.

Clearly no HD DVD-ROM is likely to be manufactured with no audio. What should be quoted is the time for an expected release.

DVD came out with a claim of 135 minutes on a single layer (2GB per DVD hour)
HD DVD comes out claiming 4 hours on a single layer (3.75GB per HD DVD hour)

I never thought I'd ever use the term CONSERVATIVE to refer to the marketing number of single layer DVD. :)

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Maybe each disk comes with a software scaler and its really just doing 480P and scaling. :)

When will D* stop pushing HD-Lite while charging us for full HD? Digital input on a CRT is a reality, not a possibility.
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so HD in HD-DVD must stand for highly dubious
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I know in the DirecTV sense it means exactly that!

When will D* stop pushing HD-Lite while charging us for full HD? Digital input on a CRT is a reality, not a possibility.
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