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http://www.tvpredictions.com/usatoday082206.htm

less than 5,000 sold - more fud?
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However, the newspaper writes that industry analysts are surprised that Toshiba's HD-DVD has matched Sony's Blu-ray for picture quality.

"Both formats are very equal," HuH?


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However, the newspaper writes that industry analysts are surprised that Toshiba's HD-DVD has matched Sony's Blu-ray for picture quality.

"Both formats are very equal," HuH?
Huh is right. Who the hell wrote that? Probably someone who has never done any HD viewing at all.
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Some Allison Moore, another clueless reporter. :(
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industry analysts are surprised that Toshiba's HD-DVD has matched Sony's Blu-ray for picture quality.


Yeah sure, matched. :rolleyes:
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If those numbers are indeed wrong, Toshiba America should sue the a$$es off the "reporter" and USA Today for libel and false propaganda detrimental to Toshiba's business. But I wouldn't be surprised if Toshiba lied down and took it. :rolleyes:
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I like how the first quote is
The new HDTV DVDs have not "made much of an impact on the market."

instead of
The new HDTV DVDs have "not made much of an impact on the market."


The whole article is a crock of **** anyway. If someone finds her email address, be sure to post it in this thread.
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That must mean none of you guys in the states have one, use brits have them all. :D
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She works with USA Today not Tvpredictions, i e-mailed and told them to get that rubbish off there site.
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If those numbers are indeed wrong, Toshiba America should sue the a$$es off the "reporter" and USA Today for libel and false propaganda detrimental to Toshiba's business. But I wouldn't be surprised if Toshiba lied down and took it. :rolleyes:
Too much coffee?? :)

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Just as clueless in this story . Still harping on the 1080p vs. 1080i, and they used a B&W movie (Good Night and Good Luck) to evaluate the BD player.

At least we know when the real format war kicks in:

"Tweeter stores' Frank Roshinski expects that as more movies come out, Blu-ray will match HD DVD's quality. "Next Christmas is when this format war really kicks in."


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Just as clueless in this story . Still harping on the 1080p vs. 1080i, and they used a B&W movie (Good Night and Good Luck) to evaluate the BD player.

At least we know when the real format war kicks in:

"Tweeter stores' Frank Roshinski expects that as more movies come out, Blu-ray will match HD DVD's quality. "Next Christmas is when this format war really kicks in."
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Blu-ray discs can hold more data than HD DVDs. Both discs look like DVDs but pack data more tightly and can process more video faster. Both formats deliver images with up to six times more resolution than DVD.
Funny that this article is comparing present items but saying Bluray has more disk capicty then HD DVD


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Funny that this article is comparing present items but saying Bluray has more disk capicty then HD DVD
Yeah, but they know the difference between "then" and "than". ;)
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Funny that this article is comparing present items but saying Bluray has more disk capicty then HD DVD

Tosh should take a page out of the BD marketing handbook and start saying that they will do 1080p. It is just as futuristic as 50GB discs. :D


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Not that the actual article is any more accurate, but before you get out the torches and pitchforks - note that the TV Predictions "reporter" was actually just summarizing the USA Today article without bothering to accurately pass along the sources of the quotes.

Here's the original article:


Video disc war: No clear winner, yet
Updated 8/21/2006 11:27 PM ET

By Mike Snider, USA TODAY

Two months into the format war over the next generation of home video discs, neither HD DVD nor Blu-ray has made much of an impact on the market.
So far, fewer than 5,000 high-definition players have sold, estimates Mike Paxton of In-Stat, a Scottsdale, Ariz., tech research firm.

That's not too surprising, given the marketplace confusion over the dueling formats and the time it usually takes consumers to adopt new technologies.

COMPETING FORMATS: Mike Snider compares HD DVD vs. Blu-ray

But what is surprising is that reviewers say HD DVD matches up well with Blu-ray, which was expected to have the superior image.

HD DVD came out in April, two months before rival format Blu-ray in June, but most industry observers expected Blu-ray to quickly overtake HD DVD.

That HD DVD's quality matches and sometimes surpasses Blu-ray's is "very much a surprise," says Peter Bracke of HighDefDigest.com.

Blu-ray discs can hold more data than HD DVDs. Both discs look like DVDs but pack data more tightly and can process more video faster. Both formats deliver images with up to six times more resolution than DVD.

"Both formats are very equal," says Ron Sanders of Warner Home Video, which is releasing movies on both formats. "We wish there were one format. That would make consumers' options easier."

Consumers interested in video games are expected to vote for Blu-ray by buying the PlayStation 3 ($499 or $599, due in November), which also plays Blu-ray discs.

Later this year, Microsoft is expected to sell an external HD DVD drive that connects to its Xbox 360 video game system.

Tweeter stores' Frank Roshinski expects that as more movies come out, Blu-ray will match HD DVD's quality. "Next Christmas is when this format war really kicks in."

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Too much coffee?? :)

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Actually, I haven't had enough coffee !! ;)

My post was in all seriousness, and I cannot believe the lethargic way Toshiba and HD-DVD group is handling this format. If not for the great word of mouth advertising and the stellar quality of the movie encodes so far, they would have had one foot in the grave waiting for the BDA's coup' de grace.
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Yeah, but they know the difference between "then" and "than". ;)
That makes it ok THEN since their facts are wrong but their spelling/grammar is ok.


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I'm guessing that there's a zero missing from that figure....should be 50,000.
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So far, fewer than 5,000 high-definition players have sold, estimates Mike Paxton of In-Stat, a Scottsdale, Ariz., tech research firm.
This is what is referred to as "pulling numbers out of thin air".

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This is just your typical ill-informed, "drive-by" media story.

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I just wrote the guy an email about his supposed "facts". Anyone else notice he had two Universal titles (Spy Game and The Bone Collector) under the BD releases this week? Pretty nice since Universal is HD DVD only!

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Just another typical useless human in the media being an idiot. Love it.

It saddens me that the media has as much stroke as it does for the avg person in society. Sheesh.

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Funny that this article is comparing present items but saying Bluray has more disk capicty then HD DVD
yep that is one thing I love when it comes to people talking about these formats. I also love how people go on about bluray will get better PQ over time (naturally) but NEVER figure that hd-dvd could look better.

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This is what is referred to as "pulling numbers out of thin air".

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He pulled them all right, but not sure it was out of thin air...I would guess it was another part of his anatomy :DA


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Wasn't the initial shipment of HD players like 6000? Which sold out immediately, and there have been several subsequent shipments since then. Also it was reported a while back that sales of players thus far were comparable to SD in the first year. Perhaps they're talking about how many Blu-Ray players have sold.
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Tosh should take a page out of the BD marketing handbook and start saying that they will do 1080p. It is just as futuristic as 50GB discs. :D
Actually I was hoping Tosh with 1080p was something that'd happen very soon. In futuristic FW2.0 or nonexistent Gen 2.
As for the 50GB BD, those are real and shipping, as a recordable media at least.

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Actually I was hoping Tosh with 1080p was something that'd happen very soon. In futuristic FW2.0 or nonexistent Gen 2.
As for the 50GB BD, those are real and shipping, as a recordable media at least.
Recordable is a whole different animal than pressed. Unless they decide to use recordable for movie releases, DL-50GB ROM is just as imaginary as 1080p on a Tosh 2G.


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He pulled them all right, but not sure it was out of thin air...I would guess it was another part of his anatomy :DA
I was exercising civility and restraint... I know that's a bit shocking in this day and age :p

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I was exercising civility and restraint... I know that's a bit shocking in this day and age :p

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Sorry, I lost my manners after reading that article. I was merely implying that he pulled the numbers out of his head. Of course I didn't mention where his head must have been when he wrote it.


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