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post #91 of 4928 Old 09-14-2006, 12:44 PM
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Hal, I'll find out. I'm off the the floor to speak to the engineers and product specialists and to see if their are any other HD DVD players from other manufacturers.

See you all in about an hour.

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In fact what is their de-interlacing solution? We don't want to end up with performance similar to the Samsung.

To get proper de-interlacing I will soon have the DVDO VP50 and my audio processor doesn't have a HDMI inputs. From spec and price I see no reason to upgrade my HDA1.
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Robert, when I try to add the HD-XA2 to the shopping cart it brings me to the HD-A1 page. Same with the HD-A2.

Harry

Same thing happened with me Robert. I really want an XA-2, let us know when the site is fixed.
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OUCH!!!
I was hoping to get a XA2 but $999? Ok Robert is offering it for $899 pre-sale but still.I guess its save awhile longer or go for the A2 or else hold out for a Liteon HD-DVD player if one comes along.
I agree with a previous poster,I think Toshiba took acouple steps back with this price jump.
Thanks for the great info though Robert!!
Now does anyone have some pic's for us??

Yep! Agree with you 899$ over my HDA1 just to get 1080P, HDMI 1.3 and a faster boot time it is not worth the spending.

The good news is the HDA1 will keep a good resale value for the one that decide to proceed.
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Any pictures of the A2?
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Are both of these players manufacture in Japan or China?
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Mated with a Sony Ruby would the 1080p be directly displayed or does it need conversion by the Ruby's processor?

The Ruby won't take 1080p24. It will take 1080p48 over DVI or 1080p24sf over component, so either way with a Ruby you'll need a scaler for framerate conversion. You would actually need to send the scaler 1080i and have it do IVT to build the 1080p48 signal, so I wouldn't think 1080p24 output would be important for a Ruby owner. The best source for us is 1080i60 -> scaler -> Ruby.

There's no loss of quality doing it that way, but it's definitely a PITA. I wish Sony had conformed to industry standards on their projectors.

 

 

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Even though a number of posters seem dissapointed with the pricing of the A2, I actually think that Toshiba is taking a bullish stand on their future prospects. The reason the HD-A1 player was underpriced was because Toshiba felt it needed a marketiing advantage over Blu-ray, which of course it did. The new pricing I believe reflects the fact that Toshiba feels they are in this for the long haul and as of right now, have mitigated Blu-ray's marketing advantage.
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Are both of these players manufacture in Japan or China?

Does this really matter?

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Robert - couple of little things:
Do the G2 players have on-screen readout of disc time remaining?
Do they have on-screen readout of chapter skip and FF, REW speeds?
Thanks.
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the HD-XA2 does have the 5.1 analog inputs.

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What I see with the XA2 being at 999 is so that thre retail stores can make the same profit on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. That way, they might push the HD-DVD format as they currently do Blu-Ray. If then the consumer isn't bitting, then they can switch to the A2 and still make a sale.

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Does this really matter?

The HDA1 is a strongly build player, I am just curious how far Toshiba went to cut production cost.
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What I see with the XA2 being at 999 is so that thre retail stores can make the same profit on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. That way, they might push the HD-DVD format as they currently do Blu-Ray. If then the consumer isn't bitting, then they can switch to the A2 and still make a sale.

Adam

Or give resellers the ability to provide good discount.
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The Ruby won't take 1080p24. It will take 1080p48 over DVI or 1080p24sf over component, so either way with a Ruby you'll need a scaler for framerate conversion. You would actually need to send the scaler 1080i and have it do IVT to build the 1080p48 signal, so I wouldn't think 1080p24 output would be important for a Ruby owner. The best source for us is 1080i60 -> scaler -> Ruby.

There's no loss of quality doing it that way, but it's definitely a PITA. I wish Sony had conformed to industry standards on their projectors.

The Pearl accepts and displays 1080p24

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=723467
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Does this really matter?

To me it does.

What Im worried about is the upscaling capability of the A2. They say the XA2 will have better video chips, so does this mean the A2 will be stripped of its great upscaling capabilities? I want faster load times but not at the expense of DVD quality, hmmm.

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What I see with the XA2 being at 999 is so that thre retail stores can make the same profit on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. That way, they might push the HD-DVD format as they currently do Blu-Ray. If then the consumer isn't bitting, then they can switch to the A2 and still make a sale.

Adam

That actually makes sense.
Still I wish I could get 5.1 on the low end model as I and many others dont need 1080P, HDMI 1.3, serial port, but would like faster response time and the sleeker style. the $500 dollar gap is gigantic, and I thought the $300 gap was huge.
Let's see I guess you could budget in a HDMI reciever with the lowend one, but then you could get the hiend one for the same price.
It's ironic.
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That actually makes sense.
Still I wish I could get 5.1 on the low end model as I and many others dont need 1080P, HDMI 1.3, serial port, but would like faster response time and the sleeker style. the $500 dollar gap is gigantic, and I thought the $300 gap was huge.
Let's see I guess you could budget in a HDMI reciever with the lowend one, but then you could get the hiend one for the same price.
It's ironic.

Thanks.

I'm the same as you. faster is cool, but it sure isn't worth the difference. Given the choice today with all the information we know today. I would buy an A1.

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the XA2 has got my name all over it the all black is smokin hot looking!!

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Thanks.

I'm the same as you. faster is cool, but it sure isn't worth the difference. Given the choice today with all the information we know today. I would buy an A1.

Adam

And based on the same analysis, I will keep mine.
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To me it does.

What Im worried about is the upscaling capability of the A2. They say the XA2 will have better video chips, so does this mean the A2 will be stripped of its great upscaling capabilities? I want faster load times but not at the expense of DVD quality, hmmm.

Chances are the digital (HDMI) output quality will be identical. Whereas a little lost ground is likely in the analog video outputs.

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I was only able to speak to a few of my contacts and we need to get more detailed technical specs so I need to have another meeting tomorrow when I can get more senior engineers to speak to.

Here's the few things I found out so far.

HD-XA2 has 5.1 analog outputs, no 7.1.

HD-XA2 will process the signal to its final output of 1080p24/60.

Sorry, I can't get any more information today, but I do expect to be able to get the pdf data sheets on the A2 and XA2 later tonight on my dedicated page. I put that page up and its discount price for forum members only and I do not think you will see other dealers discounting till the market matures. I'll be upgrading my special G2 page later and fixing any problems with it.

End of October or very beginning of November for the A2 and very end of December or beginning of January for the XA2.

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ah so the XA2 is not sending the true 1080p, it is taking 1080i and converting it to 1080p, no problem for me, I will have a VP50

Robert some XA2 pics are all black, others show part silver, is the XA2 all black ? thanks dude you may just get a order from me for the XA2

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I was only able to speak to a few of my contacts and we need to get more detailed technical specs so I need to have another meeting tomorrow when I can get more senior engineers to speak to.

Here's the few things I found out so far.

HD-XA1 has 5.1 analog outputs, no 7.1.

HD-XA1 will process the signal to its final output of 1080p24/60.

-Robert

Glad to see the p60 show up -- probably be useful to more people than p24.

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the XA2 has got my name all over it the all black is smokin hot looking!!

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Here's the few things I found out so far.



HD-XA1 will process the signal to its final output of 1080p24/60.

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Did you mean the Xa2?
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HD-XA1 will process the signal to its final output of 1080p24/60.


So, it is confirmed that HD-XA2 could do 1080p24 and 1080p60?

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Robert,
Thanks for the info!!
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Hi Robert -

This is the first CEDIA I've missed in years (had to cancel at the last minute). So your reports are wonderful to see and read. Thanks so much for all your efforts.

Off topic ... How's Denver handling the show? Do they have registration kiosks in the area hotels like in Indy? And what are the dates of next year's CEDIA?

Now, back to topic. How long will your pre-order special be up on the HD-XA2?

Thanks again.

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Thanks for the thread, Robert!

I may have missed it, but have you seen anything from any other CE companies besides Toshiba, in regards to HD-DVD?

Great ISF Job by Chad B.
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