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Do you have any titles with both Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD to test? Can you hear a difference using HDMI? I would really like to get some info on the audio specs of this player - does it downsample 24/96 to 16/48 ? I was really interested in this player until I saw your post.

Yes you can hear a difference between TrueHD and DD+. I listened to several titles with TrueHD.
I would think it probably outputs at 24/48 while the A1 did 24/96. I need to look at my receiver manual, I don't rememeber how to take a look. My Denon 3806 always shows the 96Khz message automatically but not for anything less than that.

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^ I am envious of those who can really hear a difference.

Are you sure it's not a loudness difference? Once I compensate for volumes to match, I could not hear a difference between 5.1 DTS and 5.1 DD a few years ago.
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so what's the final verdict on the A2's ability to upconvert sd-dvd's

a) is it as good as the A1
b)is it better than the A1
c)is it worse than the A1

considreting that the A1 passed all the HQV tests and the A2 didn't.
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I'm working on the courage to ask the girl out here. I think asking for pics this early might be detrimental to our relationship

I've seen her there before, super friendly. She knew exactly what I wanted and where it was when I said "I'm looking for the new HD-DVD player" She said, oh, the A2, its over here on the counter!

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Rule of thumb with pretty girls Foolin: assume they're already taken. Don't you think every other loser working at that BB has already asked her out by now?
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I forgot to include my setup when I used the Get Grey calibration disk. A2, Monoprice Switcher HDMI to Panasonic AE900.

In a previous post I stated that the HD1 was "built like a tank" but that the A2 might be better in many ways. I was not blasting the A1. It is a great unit that I will want to keep. It is one of the best upscaling players I have ever used.
It is amazing for the price and it has worked very well for me. I just think it has too many quirks for the average user. I am happy that Toshiba addressed many of them and I think that if the A2 takes off it could really get things moving for HD. The prices could come down even more and it might spell the end for Blu-Ray. I will be doing more testing over the weekend and I look forward to the results of others. I have not tried the HQ disk yet but others have reported that the HD1 is better at upscailing. This is not as important to me as being able to play HD disks without skipping. I will keep my Oppo hooked up for use with regular DVD's it is not built like a tank by it has preformed flawlessly Has anyone tried Finding Nemo in their unit. It will not play in mine.
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Well it's definitely 48Khz from the A2. I had to use the on screen display on my Denon, which I never use. It shows 96Khz from the A1 and 48Khz from the A2. Although it doesn't show whtether it is 16bit or 24bit. I have to do some critical listening to see how much of a difference there is. At the same receiver volume level the A1 sounds louder so I need to pull out the DB meter to see how much I need to adjust the voulme to make them level. Still though aside from the audio it is a nice player. Although I might upgrade to the XA2 next year once the 1.3 HDMI receivers come out.

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Since this is pretty close to the same machine guts-wise as the soon to be released european players, can someone check if it can play a region free PAL sd disc? If it actually can, (since the european Tosh's will play both PAL and NTSC sd discs since R2 has both...) then perhaps it could be made region free...?

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No PAL on the A2. Checked that right away.
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I wonder if a future firmware will fix this 48khz problem.
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I would imagine none of the TrueHD tracks are higher than 48khz/16 bit, since that's how most movie soundtracks are recorded. The A1 was probably upconverting the TrueHD to 96/24 I imagine, the A2 is just decoding it and sending it as is.

If the soundtrack were really 96khz/24 bit then the A2 would send that I'm sure.
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The CUE bug is a mpeg decoder problem and it is only present (on the A1/A2 players) with 1080i material. Since most of the HD movies are encoded with mpg4 or VC1 there should be no CUE issues. That is why no one s noticing any problems

So it is only a problem on 1080i encoded material? Not on 1080p/24fps encoded video outputted at 1080i?

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Compare a 5-year old TANK DVD player to a current $50 job you can get at any BB. I would almost guarantee that the new, cheap, light, plastic player outperforms it. Let those that think that wieght = quality purchase the new $2,500 (non-HD) Denon players!

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Peter, did you find one?

Anyone check to see if you get simultaneous composite video output when HDMI is used for the main display?

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Well it's definitely 48Khz from the A2. I had to use the on screen display on my Denon, which I never use. It shows 96Khz from the A1 and 48Khz from the A2. Although it doesn't show whtether it is 16bit or 24bit. I have to do some critical listening to see how much of a difference there is. At the same receiver volume level the A1 sounds louder so I need to pull out the DB meter to see how much I need to adjust the voulme to make them level. Still though aside from the audio it is a nice player. Although I might upgrade to the XA2 next year once the 1.3 HDMI receivers come out.

Has anybody tried the XA2? I wonder if it's another "differentiation" for your dollar.

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Has anybody tried the XA2? I wonder if it's another "differentiation" for your dollar.

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I didn't think they were being released until late Dec or early Jan.
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Here is an important question. Does the A2 come up with HDMI error when switching display unit (i.e. Optoma HD70) to another output? This I felt was the most annoying issue with the A1.

Also, does it have resume feature?

No HDMI error for me, even turned off HDMI switcher and back on and no HDMI error! Also switching to another input no problem!

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My first hiccup with the A2 is with Eagles FTM HD disc. If anyone else could check out their disc and give feedback would be great! I never played this all the way to the end on the A1 but A1 would skip all the time. With the A2 the very end of chapter 17 and starting on chapter 18 get a pause like when there is a layer change. I tend to think it is this particular disc and not authored with seamless layer or defective disc, this is my question? I just hope it's not the A2, and for evaluation so far this is first disc with any playback issue at all for me.

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Rule of thumb with pretty girls Foolin: assume they're already taken. Don't you think every other loser working at that BB has already asked her out by now?

Don't listen to him, FoolintheRain. Go for it! The biggest thing you have working for you is that you are NOT one of the BB geeks. lol.

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I would imagine none of the TrueHD tracks are higher than 48khz/16 bit, since that's how most movie soundtracks are recorded. The A1 was probably upconverting the TrueHD to 96/24 I imagine, the A2 is just decoding it and sending it as is.

If the soundtrack were really 96khz/24 bit then the A2 would send that I'm sure.

Are there any HD DVDs with a 96Khz track so I can check that out?

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Are there any HD DVDs with a 96Khz track so I can check that out?

Not that I know of, so far all TrueHD have been 48/16.

Does the A2 play DVD-A?
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No, No DVD-A or SACD on the A2
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The A2 is like the A1 concerning BTB/WTW when connected via HDMI>DVI, there is no BTB or WTW. I tested this connected to my h-79. Also, the component outputs work when using HDMI for audio in @ 1080i (except for protected DVDs, then you can only use 480p max res.).

How much does this hurt the PQ? Does this apply to all HDMI->DVI connections, or is it just a subset of displays with DVI? I have a Hitachi 51S500 RP-CRT with DVI. I'm hoping it's not inherent in every single DVI based input.
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I tried a DTS 24/96 disc in the A2. When set to HDMI auto it passes the DTS stream and my receiver reports a 96Khz signal. When I set the A2 to PCM output the player doesn't sned any audio. I wish I had a 96Khz HD DVD to test it out. Oh well. Now I need to sell my A1. I just need to find my BB receipt with the 4 year warranty on it.

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I picked up the A2 last nighyt from BB. I only had the A1 for 3 days the first week it came out so my comparissions are from memory.

1) A2 is much light, slimmer looking
2) Load time is vastly improved
3) menus look better
4) no HDMI screen flashes, no issues at all with monoprice 5x1 switcher that the A1 had.
5) Sound, whoa, sound is wicked
6) I watched Mr/Mrs SMith SD DVD and it looked alright, I'll have to see more to judge SD DVD PQ
7) Bought V for Vendetta, was not really impressed with PQ, floored by SQ
8) BTB seems to be true, as black detail was very nice. No MB, banding or green blacks, etc. very clean image

Time to fill out my 3 free movie coupon! I just gotta find a spot for my PS3 in my rack since the A2 took it's spot.
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I wish I had a 96Khz HD DVD to test it out.

Buy Chronos.

Vote with your wallet. Don't buy Cinavia-infected Blu-ray Discs! Why pay a premium for pseudo-lossless audio damaged by an intrusive watermark in the audible spectrum?
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Is the HD-A2 stackable or does it have vents on the top?

Vote with your wallet. Don't buy Cinavia-infected Blu-ray Discs! Why pay a premium for pseudo-lossless audio damaged by an intrusive watermark in the audible spectrum?
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No vents on top. There is a fan on the back.
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