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It probably has to do with their two joint ventures with Royal Philips Electronics. LG Philips Display and LG Philips LCD. They might be starting another joint venture with them in the DVD player market. Plus LG does sit on the board of directors of the BDA. With Philips and LG both sitting on the board of the BDA, they could easily secure a deal for a universal player.
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I have already heard rumors about universal players made by sharp over in Asia, supposedly it's been in the market for at least couple months over there already. I just didn't expect it to hit the US market that fast. Never owned a LG player, so even if it hit the market, I'd probably wait til Denon start their production of the universal players. For now, I'd just enjoy my HDA1.
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Well I think we as consumers benefit the most from universal players as none of our current & recent purchases of media become obsolete or will require 2 machines on the rack. I would gladly pay a price bump to have only 1 box on the shelf as long as the quality is on par with other units. I have held off on a Blu purchase so far because the titles haven't hooked me in yet but a dual format player will part my cash from my wallet.

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We need a cheap Blu-ray Disc drive for the PC Then we can easily build our own "universal player".
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We need a cheap Blu-ray Disc drive for the PC Then we can easily build our own "universal player".

I would buy one in a second!

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I have already heard rumors about universal players made by sharp over in Asia, supposedly it's been in the market for at least couple months over there already. I just didn't expect it to hit the US market that fast. Never owned a LG player, so even if it hit the market, I'd probably wait til Denon start their production of the universal players. For now, I'd just enjoy my HDA1.

A dual format player couldn't be out for two hours in Antarctica without forums like this reporting it. How could you possibly think Sharp could have had something out for months without anyone noticing?
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I am not sure how the launch of Universal player will help HD DVD in the format war.

Um, who gives a flying leap if it helps HD-DVD? I'm in this to watch high-quality movies. Some of those movies are in BD format. I don't want to buy a BD player and have two players sitting around. *I*, the consumer, AKA the one who spends the money to buy a product, want a dual-format player for my convenience.

I don't care what's good for BD or HD-DVD. I care about what's good for ME as a movie watcher.

Partisanship helps none of us. With a dual-format player, I will be free to purchase the best version of any movie made available in 1080p. (Though, in the case of some studios, "best" version may mean "only" version.)
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Um, who gives a flying leap if it helps HD-DVD? I'm in this to watch high-quality movies. Some of those movies are in BD format. I don't want to buy a BD player and have two players sitting around. *I*, the consumer, AKA the one who spends the money to buy a product, want a dual-format player for my convenience.

I don't care what's good for BD or HD-DVD. I care about what's good for ME as a movie watcher.

Partisanship helps none of us. With a dual-format player, I will be free to purchase the best version of any movie made available in 1080p. (Though, in the case of some studios, "best" version may mean "only" version.)


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I don't see myself paying over $350 for an LG product (I'd buy a blu-ray stand alone and have a second unit in my rack before this). . . but if the reviews are good, who knows. I'd definitely rather see a Pioneer version.
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If LG can pull off putting out a quality multi format player for less than $1000 that includes DACs, new format audio decoders, firmware upgrade support and smooth operation then it would be quite an achievement. If it can do all these things I wouldnt even be as concerned about DVD upconversion as I could just hang onto my current DVD player. I dont see a player coming out in the next year that could replace my Denon player.
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So....

What happens when Sony gets all pissed off and starts making movies that have the LG player's AACS key revoked?

No reason that this couldn't happen.

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If you want to take a guess at the price: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=780531

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Um, who gives a flying leap if it helps HD-DVD? I'm in this to watch high-quality movies. Some of those movies are in BD format. I don't want to buy a BD player and have two players sitting around. *I*, the consumer, AKA the one who spends the money to buy a product, want a dual-format player for my convenience.

I don't care what's good for BD or HD-DVD. I care about what's good for ME as a movie watcher.

Partisanship helps none of us. With a dual-format player, I will be free to purchase the best version of any movie made available in 1080p. (Though, in the case of some studios, "best" version may mean "only" version.)

Couldn't of said it better myself! Good thing I didn't go out and buy that Toshiba HD DVD player. Going to wait until after CES to see what happens.
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Get a clue. I along with others (including mods) in the other thread have expressed our dissapointment for one simple reason... it prolongs the life of TWO formats rather than one and therefore will prolong everything we hate about the format war. The consumer will not be a winner if the format war is prolonged and confusion lingers, which is exactly what dual format players will do in my opinion. Most people have a life and want things simple, so they'll just give up on the entire thing as HD DVR VOD becomes increasingly ubiquitous. I don't know many people that want to make a "choice" of which "type" of disc to buy when they go shopping for movies, and I doubt many retailers want to stock their shelves with a red case and a blue case for every release indefinetly. Now also the consumer has even more confusion as they have to choose between essentially 3 different types of players, and if they have one of these types they then have to choose what format to buy each movie on. J6P isn't AVS.

But like most zealots, you are only willing to consider the possibility/eventuality of *your* side winning. That's the problem. You consider it fait accompli that BR must win and can only be the winner. So of course you're not willing to embrace or consider universal players.

You're in the minority here; most are wanting to either:

1. consolidate players,

2. hedge their bets with respect to format choice, or

3. enjoy the best that both formats have to offer.

Universal players fit the bill for many people.

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If this player has the picture quality that it needs to have, I'm buying.

I don't think LG can afford to sell a player above $899, $999, Unless they hit a homer, which they usually don't do. I have an LG dvd player in my bedroom, and it S***S.

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I find this mildly amusing. We finally have what the majority of us have been calling for for quite some time: a dual format player; and yet all people can do is continue to argue over which format will win the war or even worse... how may playstations will be sold in 2010?
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I find this mildly amusing. We finally have what the majority of us have been calling for for quite some time: a dual format player; and yet all people can do is continue to argue over which format will win the war or even worse... how may playstations will be sold in 2010?

I agree 100%. This forum is full of smart hometheater loving people, who help other fellow members as it should be. but there's a bunch of inmature fanatics that at the end would turn people away from it.

One would think that the release of a combo player would be enough for people here to give their little war a rest, but yet all their frustrations end up being express here on this forum. May I respectfully suggest a girlfriend, a boyfriend, or even a big dog for you guys to play around with.

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Unfortunately, I'll probably be waiting to purchase a dual-format player until somebody other than LG steps up. I can't stand LG products. No offense to anyone here. I GUARANTEE an LG combo unit will not be of the same caliber of...say...an HD-XA2 or even the Pioneer BD player...so...what's the point? - for those of us who demand the higher quality stuff.

This is very good news, but of no immediate help to me.
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If this is true, it's awesome.

If it -is- true and the player is even -passable- in output quality, everyone should sell every player they own, buy this player, and then recommend all their friends do the same.

Can I turn your words around a bit?
Everyone should sell every player they own to their friends, and then buy this player.

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Here's an analysis from a poster on HTF that makes sense to me:

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Actually, it will solve the problem completely.

After a short period of infighting, Almost all companies will convert over to using HD-DVD for smaller releases like catalog titles where a film and a couple trailers suffice, and using BR 50's for forever well-selling blockbusters, extremely long movies, and new releases with special edition features.

BR 25's will disappear as they'll be unnecessary, except for perhaps Fox and Disney who won't like the security on HD-DVD.

All three will coexist with consumers not paying any attention at all. Only for the short term will studios continue to support both format(Warners, Paramount), and only short term will the BR studios avoid HD-DVD. At some point, cost per gigabyte will make HD-DVD the defacto small disk standard and BR 50's will be the defacto big disk standard. At some point, it'll just make no sense to support BR 25's as the HD-DVD 30's are simply more cost effective when both can be used interchangably, even after price-parity is reached.

If LG releases a Uni the format war is over. Others will follow, and consumers won't have to worry about which is which.

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I want to start another senseless war, 'cause this dual format player will prolong fanboyism Come on, who's on fanboys' side, who's on the other side ? Any takers ?

What nonsense comes out of this never ceases to amaze me. How can a market that has been so divided and failed to spark any interest whatsoever among J6P not want universal players to take over ? If every manufacturer ends up with a universal player by the end of 2007 (just like they did with DVD recorders my friends...), who the hell cares if your side didn't win ? We, as consumers, all won.

I'm done arguing with fanboys, they, by definition, have too much time on their hands to ever see the light. Have fun while both formats last and the dust settles.

And to those who think that LG will be the only manufacturer to come up with a dual format player, I'm already shaking my head in disbelief over such moronic thinking.

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This is very good news, but of no immediate help to me.

I disagree that it is no help to you. I am another that will not be in line to purchase an LG product; however, now that one dual format player is being released, do you know how many companies are going to jump on this and come out with their own? By LG releasing this player as early as it has, it has now opened the doors for other manufacturers. Plus it gives the player a year to come down in price.
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I'm done arguing with fanboys, they, by definition, have too much time on their hands to ever see the light.

I agree that the fanboy fanatics who oppose this are looking really silly. "But...but...this might mean that MY side won't acheive Absolute and Total Victory! Wahhhhhh!!!"
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This is big news, but at say $999, the unit sales impact isn't going to be huge. The psychological impact will be huge though, both for consumers, and for other CE companies.


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2. LG will not be releasing a BD player.

Wasn't it an LG VP who quit over the LG BD100 Blu-ray player (which was announced officially but now apparently isn't going to be released)?

Or am I mixed up?
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I agree that the fanboy fanatics who oppose this are looking really silly. "But...but...this might mean that MY side won't acheive Absolute and Total Victory! Wahhhhhh!!!"


It amazes me that anyone can have such strong convictions about something as senseless as a media format.
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Here's an analysis from a poster on HTF that makes sense to me:

Doesn't make sense to me...especially considering BD hasn't been making good use of capacity with barebones releases.

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Doesn't make sense to me...especially considering BD hasn't been making good use of capacity with barebones releases.

I think the argument would be that BR would be FORCED to put out high content DL releases, else there's no reason to buy BR.
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It amazes me that anyone can have such strong convictions about something as senseless as a media format.

Well, for me, it's not so much the format as it is seeing Sony fail AGAIN at trying to strong-arm the market with their proprietary formats. I don't like overpriced, inferior formats nor do I like being forced into using technology that can only be used by one company's products (UMD, Memory Stick Duo for example).

Sony needs to learn they can't force people into their standards all the time.

"IBTL" isn't cute, funny or original.

Also: you couldn't care less and purposes are NOT intensive. For all intents and purposes if you don't know these things, you probably shouldn't use them.
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news flash, hd dvd is no longer trumping blu ray. many stores report blu-ray outselling hd-dvd software, and even amazon is showing blu-ray about to overcome hd-dvd for what thedvdwars is worth.

second, picture the market in 2008-2010. PS3 will sell tens of millions worst case. tens of millions of Blu-ray disc only playing devices. There is no way studios would exclude all those ps3 users from being potential customers by pressing hd-dvd discs.

this is assuming blu-ray is even more expensive to press in the next few years.


could you please add a link so we can see the statistics from which you are basing your comments?
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ABOUT TIME!!! I already own a player for both formats but really want a universal that will do 5.1 analog outs. If the LG has a good player and the 5.1 analog outs I will definitely be buying one.
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