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I am Chinese and I can tell you conclusively that the article in question is talking about a Blue Laser HD-DVD player that Wal-Mart is ordering. It is not talking about a Blu-Ray player. I hope you guys who can't read Chinese will realize once and for all that the article pertains to HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray.

I think you are the 4th or 5th native Chinese reader that has confirmed this.

But some people will not believe it until they stick a blu-ray disk into these players and it doesn't work.

And then they'll claim it's defective.

"We did not have business relations with that company, Fuh Yuan."
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by the way, what does "fud" mean?
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FUD - fear, uncertainty and doubt - this is a very popular marketing strategy.
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by the way, what does "fud" mean?

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt
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I think you are the 4th or 5th native Chinese reader that has confirmed this.

But some people will not believe it until they stick a blu-ray disk into these players and it doesn't work.

And then they'll claim it's defective.

This makes me think of the old saying "How many (insert person here) does it take to screw in a light bulb?" Or in this case, how many Chinese translators does it take to convince BD fanboys of the truth?
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It's staggering the conclusions people come to with so little information.

Surely you've realised by now both formats will repsond to any moves in the market.
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It's staggering the conclusions people come to with so little information.

Surely you've realised by now both formats will repsond to any moves in the market.

How is Sony going to respond? They won't be able to convince Walmart to dedicate the shelf space to Blu-Ray.

Walmart has picked HD-DVD and that's what they will push.

It's over.
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Wal-Mart will continue to sell the PS3. Too bad no 20 Gigger exists in North America now.
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It's staggering the conclusions people come to with so little information.

Surely you've realised by now both formats will repsond to any moves in the market.

Excellent. If BDA can get a player in WM (or any store) this year for $199, I'll post a video on youtube of me going neutral.
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I thought "fud" was"f***ed up data."
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I thought "fud" was"f***ed up data."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C...inty_and_doubt
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Thanks for the clarification, guys. Boy, you guys and girls use a lot of abbreviations here in computer land, sheesh.
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How is Sony going to respond? They won't be able to convince Walmart to dedicate the shelf space to Blu-Ray.

Walmart has picked HD-DVD and that's what they will push.

It's over.


Please tell me your on a wind up, lol.
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Excellent. If BDA can get a player in WM (or any store) this year for $199, I'll post a video on youtube of me going neutral.

Whats the point in plucking a figure out of thin air?

Who knows what will sell, afterall current HD-DVD players are hardly flying off the shelves, presumably due to the content available.

Price is but one factor, once you get below $399, price differences have less effect.
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First of all, I suspect this news is (roughly) true. I expect this is the ace up their sleeve, the promised MS-subsidized chinese players targeted towards mass market adoption. If it is true, it's certainly the best news so far this year for HD DVD. On the other hand, J6P can buy laserdisk players for under $50 on ebay and they don't seem to be all the rage.

You want to be taken seriously with an analogy like that?!? Comparing a new, viable, hi-def format with a 10-year-old, used player on ebay without any place to buy movies for it? Come on...

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HD DVD and Walmart still have to make the case for why J6P should shell out $200-$300 for a player that mose people don't understand, and for which there are far fewer movies available. Everyone here accepts as gospel that people will automatically start buying these when they are cheap enough, but that just isn't necessarily the case. If people don't see the movies they want, they simply won't buy them (they may not buy Blu Ray either, of course).

So how do these questions not apply to Blu-Ray as well? Why would J6P buy a BD player for $600 - $1000 when there are relatively few titles available for the format? I guarantee they will buy a $200 - $300 player before this scenario. It's all about price, and always was.

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What this probably will do is keep Universal exclusive until the end of 2007 (and is probably why they were quoted elsewhere today as saying that Q4 2007 is when they predict HD DVD will catch up in sales, and that it will be "very telling"). Obviously MS has been proimising this to Universal (perhaps along with other incentives).

What kind of pathetic BS is this? You are aware that Blu-Ray sales are hardly great, correct? Paramount has sold more HD-DVD discs than BD discs, though offering the same titles for both formats. The only thing BD has been moving are blockbuster hits like Casino Royale thanks to the PS3 crowd. It took the format 10 months to sell a meager one million discs for the format despite the huge hardware sales lead (courtesy of the PS3)! Universal has no more reason to go neutral than Disney, Fox or MGM, as Blu-Ray is hardly selling discs like hot-cakes. And don't forget the sales incentives it took to reach the 1 million mark for BD - BOGO sales at major retailers, 50%-Off sale at amazon, rebate slips with every PS3, and the marketing blitz on every end-cap at BB.

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BTW, some incredibly dumb things have been said in this thread. Like "Walmart wouldn't import a $300 player that would compete with the Toshiba, so they must be planning on selling it for $200". BS. They will happily do it because the Chinese player will have much higher margins, and be available in larger quantities.

Perhaps. And perhaps they will be discounted for the holiday season during the Black Friday blitz and will reach the $199 level! Unlike Blu-Ray, they have this option due to the inexpensive costs.

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And with standalones for HD DVD in it's entire history just reaching a pathetic 100k in a prss release this past week, someone actually claimed that the CES prediction of 1.7 million HD DVD players sold this year might not include this 2 million players, as if this deal just magically conjured itself up yesterday! Anyone else notice the similarity of those numbers?

If you think 100K stand-alone players sold (in the US) are pathetic, you'd better not look at the same figures for BD player sales.

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It's clear that the 1.7 million prediction was predicated on the knowledge that this Chinese player was coming, and they expect (are hoping?) to sell most of them. It's also obvious thte the announcement of hitting 100k standalones, the pseudo announcement of HD DVD's european "strength", the odd early announcement of Samsung's dual format player, and this (techinically still upcoming) Walmart announcement are timed. MS and Toshiba know they are being trounced in software sales, and they know that (as some insiders have indicated) Universal is not happy with HD DVD's performace so far. They are hoping these announcements will cause people to wait for the HD DVD calvary, and perhaps persuade a studio to go neutral.

Obviously the predicted figures included the imminent Chinese players -- they were announced at CES in January after all. Now that Wal-Mart is involved, however, it gives new legs to the impact that said players could have on this format war. If the $600 PS3 and Sony BD players are the only competition at Wal-Mart for the holiday season, then HD-DVD will destroy the rival players at Wally World.

Again, "trounced" in software sales is a bit of a stretch when your format of choice just hit a measly 1 million discs sold. Especially in light of the myriad sales and promos they've run. And your assertion that Universal is not happy with HD-DVD's performance I find rather ironic for someone referring to "FUD"! When has Universal stated such feelings? I never saw the press release. I'd venture to guess that Disney & Fox are the studios most disappointed in sales of their HD product with the lame-duck PS3, after everything they'd been promised by Sony.

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It may work, but if it doesn't; if BD sales continue to outpace HD DVD (and don't go off about the petty 2-3 day lead in Amazon rankings that the coordinated buy stunt bought, it's not going to effect the month long Nielsen numbers), if the most popular titles continue to be available on Blu Ray, if no studios cave (anyone notice that BD+ is being hurriend into production), Walmart may end up with a bunch of $300 paper weights. Especially if a $400 street BD player makes its way out by the holidays.

Again, HD-DVD sales spiked before the planned "Buy Day" at AVS. The main reason BD sales were so much higher than HD-DVD for a 2-month span is simply because their new releases outnumbered those of HD-DVD by nearly 4:1 in that time -- including a span of 4 weeks without A SINGLE HD-DVD RELEASE! BTW - it's more likely you'll see $600 paperweights than $200 paperweights!

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Don't get me wrong, this is good news for HD DVD, but don't buy your own hype about how supposedly "not bad" the format did in Q1. And if things don't go right, this good news won't be the panacea HD DVD fans are hoping for. But don't take my word for it, you didn't when I said that Toshiba had sold less than 100k players last year, or that Blu Ray would have the week over week software lead before CES 2007. It's all FUD, remember...

Can't argue with your last line -- it IS all FUD!
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Hopefully this hasn't been posted already:

Update: Pull back the reigns HD DVD fanboys, Akihabara now says that they've made a "huge mistake" with their translation: the original source called it "
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Whats the point in plucking a figure out of thin air?

Who knows what will sell, afterall current HD-DVD players are hardly flying off the shelves, presumably due to the content available.

Price is but one factor, once you get below $399, price differences have less effect.

Who plucked a figure out of thin air? I stated the price point at which *I* would go neutral. I don't care what anybody else does.

The beauty of this news is that it doesn't matter how you spin it, the winner is ME. Spin it one way (the right way), and it's great news for the format I picked. Spin it the other way, and going neutral becomes cost effective for me.

Although I believe you'll see MSpeed's video before you see mine.
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Hopefully this hasn't been posted already:

Update: Pull back the reigns HD DVD fanboys, Akihabara now says that they've made a "huge mistake" with their translation: the original source called it "
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Translation of the first paragraph:

"Taiwan's electronic and IT industries again deduction related to the world! Fukuhiko electronic companies Branch plant completed and opened at the same time, also published by the Chinese Foreign R & D and manufacturing of the "Blue HD DVD," the official birth of the traverse. The chairman said Deng Hongmo Kyrgyzstan, high-resolution, "Blue HD DVD" traverse successfully developed, This year the United States WALMART immediately received orders for two million Taiwan, It is expected that the end of next year the output value reaching NT 10.1 billion. "

Also, native chinese language speakers here on AVS have stated that the translation means "bright blue light HD DVD", which seems a clear intent to differentiate the product from the "red light"-based HDV standard which was adopted by the Chinese recently.

Also, chinese speakers here have stated that if the article meant "Blu-Ray", it would have written this as "藍光 Blu-Ray", which is clearly not what is stated in the article.

It seems pretty clear that these are HD DVD players.
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Don't scoff too much of the Chinese HD DVD players. 70% of the DVD players in peoples homes are wholly or partly Chinese built. If we include DVD players in Chinese homes the number is 90%.

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Which includes none other than the PS3/60gb!
No bones about it, some of the best has "CHINA" written all over it.
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Maybe this will convince Fox to go nuetral. Then they can not release titles to HD DVD as well.

With Fox on BR's side. HD DVD really does stand a good chance of winning!
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How is Sony going to respond? They won't be able to convince Walmart to dedicate the shelf space to Blu-Ray.

Walmart has picked HD-DVD and that's what they will push.

It's over.

Amazing.... So in the eyes of the HD DVD fans Wal Marts are overflowing with HD-DVD players with no room on the shelves for anything else?

And the Best Buys, CC, Targets of the world sit idle with nothing to sell as well?
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Also, the following excerpt leaves absolutely no doubt whatsoever:

"Deng Hongmo Kyrgyzstan also mentioned that Blue HD-DVD for high-volume, high-quality images, high resolution vision, machine Images can be more realistic, more beautiful images. Its advantage is more easily with existing DVD discs maintain compatibility, and may continue to use existing DVD production equipment CDs and facilitate the expansion of the distance between lens and do not need, such as CD-ROM cartridges, substantially reduced from the current transition to HD DVD, the cost for the DVD, makes disc manufacturers switch from DVD to HD DVD when the costs can be reduced to a minimum. Moreover, the HD DVD recording capacity is smaller, but the eye, decontamination capability, and without cartridges, dish Therefore the production process easier and less costly."

When they mention that "blue light HD DVD" uses "existing DVD production equipment " and "do not need, such as CD-ROM cartridges" (a clear reference to the bluray format's legacy format) it seems clearer.

But the addition of: "the HD DVD recording capacity is smaller, but the eye, decontamination capability, and without cartridges, dish Therefore the production process easier and less costly" - it gets clearer still.

I don't think anyone can say they truly still think this article is about "blue light Blu-Ray" players.
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And the Best Buys, CC, Targets of the world sit idle with nothing to sell as well?

Of course not. They'll have plenty of HD DVD players too.
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Amazing.... So in the eyes of the HD DVD fans Wal Marts are overflowing with HD-DVD players with no room on the shelves for anything else?

And the Best Buys, CC, Targets of the world sit idle with nothing to sell as well?

Note: Look, I own an XA1(refurb for $220) , but I've said repeatedly (perhaps here but definitely on other forums) that I would buy an affordable Blu-ray player tomorrow.

If Walmart partners with a manufacturer to buy millions of units of hardware, you can bet they won't confuse their customers and more importantly dedicate precious shelf space to a competitor's products, especially one which makes them much less margin!

Of course BB, CC, etc can be vehicles thru which Sony can respond. But specifically, how do you think Sony will respond?

All I was saying was that it won't be thru Walmart.

As to the other retailers, none of them have the purchasing clout that Walmart does. And I really don't see Sony being to match HD-DVD on price. Not even close.
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Translation of the first paragraph:

"Taiwan's electronic and IT industries again deduction related to the world! Fukuhiko electronic companies Branch plant completed and opened at the same time, also published by the Chinese Foreign R & D and manufacturing of the "Blue HD DVD," the official birth of the traverse. The chairman said Deng Hongmo Kyrgyzstan, high-resolution, "Blue HD DVD" traverse successfully developed, This year the United States WALMART immediately received orders for two million Taiwan, It is expected that the end of next year the output value reaching NT 10.1 billion. "

Also, native chinese language speakers here on AVS have stated that the translation means "bright blue light HD DVD", which seems a clear intent to differentiate the product from the "red light"-based HDV standard which was adopted by the Chinese recently.

Also, chinese speakers here have stated that if the article meant "Blu-Ray", it would have written this as "藍光 Blu-Ray", which is clearly not what is stated in the article.

It seems pretty clear that these are HD DVD players.

Denial is a very dangerous thing.
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Amazing.... So in the eyes of the HD DVD fans Wal Marts are overflowing with HD-DVD players with no room on the shelves for anything else?

And the Best Buys, CC, Targets of the world sit idle with nothing to sell as well?

This isn't the ONLY discount chinese HD-DVD player.

They can housebrand the others like the Alco SHD-7000, the Shinco HD-A100 etc.

"We did not have business relations with that company, Fuh Yuan."
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It might be that the Chinese language do not have word for "ray" ...ray means a beam of light in the English language. So ray = light make sense in Chinese if my assumption is right. Anyone out there familiar with the Chinese language ...is there a word for "ray" in Chinese?

"Blu-Ray" is a Trademark, like "HD DVD" is too.

That is why "HD DVD" appears in the text, as a word that has no direct translation, the same way "IBM" would. "Blu-Ray" would show up the same way.

"blue light HD DVD" seems clearly intended to avoid the readers confusing the story with the "red light HDV" system adopted in china recently.
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And from the same article:
In addition to internal training, top business managers are sent overseas for specialized training in technology and international marketing from SONY in Japan and the United States.
Tide Fuyuan Technology

And this has "what" to do with the "Great China Wall" company that we are talking about?
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