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AUG. 31 | The high-definition format war will hit a new low in the fourth quarter—price, that is.

Canada’s Venturer Electronics is set to release Chinese-manufactured HD DVD players priced below $200.

Venturer's SHD7000 will be priced at $199, according to a company representative, which would make it the cheapest stand-alone HD DVD player available today.

To date, Toshiba has the lowest priced stand-alone player, its entry level HD-A2 $299 model.

Hitting a new HD DVD hardware pricing low could be what tips on-the-fence consumers to embrace the high-def format. But many retailers, including Wal-Mart, Ultimate Electronics and Bjorn’s, say they are not committed to carrying the Venturer player, preferring instead to underscore products from bigger brand companies.

“We have no plans to have Venturer in our stores this holiday,” Wal-Mart merchandise spokeswoman Melissa O’Brien said. “We will continue to offer the best values on popular HD DVD and Blu-ray products from leading consumer brands like Sony, Samsung, Philips, Toshiba and RCA.”

Wal-Mart does sell some Venturer portable DVD players on its Web site.

Ultimate Electronics’ director of merchandising for video Matt Duda is considering stocking the Venturer HD DVD player, but he doesn’t expect a major swing in the format war until a better-known company, such as Toshiba or Sony, rolls out a sub-$200 player.

“I have never heard of Venturer,” admits Duda. “If the price [similarly drops] for a tier-one brand, that will be more compelling.”

Research firm Understanding & Solutions believes the Venturer player could push the established companies to compete with their own price cuts.

“At this early stage in the market development, consumers generally want branded product,” said Jim Bottoms, U&S director. “But low-priced non-branded players force the branded suppliers to review their pricing.”

Sales of DVD players began skyrocketing when prices fell nearer to $100, acknowledge retailers. But unlike the earlier stages of DVD, the high-def format split could stop many consumers from investing.

“The only time a price can really stimulate demand is if that demand is already there,” said David Workman, director of the Progressive Retailers Organization. “But I’m not sure demand is there. I think the recent Paramount news [about releasing titles in HD DVD exclusively] has polarized software companies even more, so there is further format stalemate. And consumers are still comparing high-def players against the price of [standard-def] players. A $199 player is still an expensive DVD player for people.”

Bjorn Dybdahl, owner of San Antonio store Bjorn’s, added, “Because of the confusion over formats, some people wouldn’t spend $50 on a product that they perceive might not be around for very long.”

Some retailers, such as Value Electronics, are already rallying around the Venturer player. Value president Robert Zohn said he is ordering 1,000 to 1,200 units, and he expects he could start selling them as early as October.

Zohn believes that $199 will be the right carrot to dangle in front of hesitant customers. When Value slashed Toshiba’s entry-level model to $199 in a promotion, the chain sold 400 units within 30 hours and had to prematurely shut the sale down.

“When it gets to a certain price point, the thing takes off like a rocket,” said Zohn, who prefers the HD DVD format over Blu-ray. “That price point moves an enormous amount of HD players.”

Venturer’s SHD7000 features 1080i video output, Ethernet connectivity and advanced audio technology Dolby TrueHD. In addition to HD DVD and CD playback, the model also upconverts standard-def DVDs to near high-def quality through an HDMI connection. The player will be distributed nationally to retailers.

For months, HD DVD backers have said Chinese manufacturers would soon start producing ultra-low-price players, likely impacting the format war. Venturer represents the first such company to potentially get the ball rolling.

A statement from Venturer, whose North American headquarters is in Markham, Ontario, touts the player “to be one of the lowest among entry-level HD DVD players.”

http://www.videobusiness.com/article....html?nid=2705

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They're going to be somewhere!!!

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Cool...I'll buy it from Amazon...No tax/free shipping!
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Target.

I believe Target is Blu-ray (Standalone Hardware) Exclusive atleast through the Holiday season of 2007.

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I believe Target is Blu-ray (Standalone Hardware) Exclusive atleast through the Holiday season of 2007.

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i agree that Venturer would be somewhere, be it Amazon, Target, KMart or even S-Mart.
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As I stated on thedvdwars, I'm betting this is a negotiation tactic by Walmart to get a bigger piece of the pie from the sales of this unit. Go public saying you don't have any plans, while in the middle of negotiating with the distributor. Next thing you know you have the distributor offering more and more to get the product there.

Wouldn't be the first time, but who knows.
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As I stated on thedvdwars, I'm betting this is a negotiation tactic by Walmart to get a bigger piece of the pie from the sales of this unit. Go public saying you don't have any plans, while in the middle of negotiating with the distributor. Next thing you know you have the distributor offering more and more to get the product there.

Wouldn't be the first time, but who knows.

They could sell their own brand too, but they didn't actually say that.

If you simply take what they say at face value as being the truth, then this is somewhat of a disappointment to the HD DVD fans. Why? Cuz even though the player could be sold elsewhere, obviously it would sell better overall if it was selling at Wal-Mart too.

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Some retailers, such as Value Electronics, are already rallying around the Venturer player. Value president Robert Zohn said he is ordering 1,000 to 1,200 units, and he expects he could start selling them as early as October.

Zohn believes that $199 will be the right carrot to dangle in front of hesitant customers. When Value slashed Toshiba’s entry-level model to $199 in a promotion, the chain sold 400 units within 30 hours and had to prematurely shut the sale down.

“When it gets to a certain price point, the thing takes off like a rocket,” said Zohn, who prefers the HD DVD format over Blu-ray. “That price point moves an enormous amount of HD players.”

So who is going to be among the first 1000? I'd consider it, if it was $150ish.

BTW, 400 units of the A2 in 30 hours is pretty impressive.
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Wal-mart sells these portable DVD players ... they are ... Venturer ... hmmmm

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They could sell their own brand too, but they didn't actually say that.

If you simply take what they say at face value as being the truth, then this is somewhat of a disappointment to the HD DVD fans. Why? Cuz even though the player could be sold elsewhere, obviously it would sell better overall if it was selling at Wal-Mart too.

Yep, for now though. Lots can change in the next couple months prior to the holiday season.
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I guess the Boo-Ray gang is going to declare this to be some kind of half-a$$ed victory for them. Which would be ironic as they previously declared chinese players going to Wal-Mart as inconsequential. Yawn...

Well, Blu-ray-adamus (Beatboy) you better believe those players (and others) are going somewhere. My suggestion for all those interested, is you'd better get that lead paint detector ready 'cause you're gonna need it - they're gonna sell like crack at about $129.
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Wal-mart sells these portable DVD players ... they are ... Venturer ... hmmmm

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Yes, it says that right in the article.

However, when an official spokeperson for Wal-Mart says they're not carrying the Venturer, then that's the best piece of info we have, and we should assume at least for now that they're not going to be carrying the Venturer.

Perhaps they may want to promote their Durabrand or iLo brands with an Alco HD DVD player, but their specific wording didn't really hint at that either. So maybe, after all, they really are just going to sit this one out (...or not). Yeah, they could change their minds, but Xmas is only 4 months away, so they'd have to change their minds pretty quickly.

And there's always still Fuh Yuan.
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What's interesting lately here is that BD folks are actually a bit on the defensive side from the recent upswing for HD DVD - now, when HD DVD has something that can be perceived as a bit negative, or has a few days with nothing of great note - the Blu Ray guys run with that as if they've done something positive, lol! The war wages on...

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I guess the Boo-Ray gang is going to declare this to be some kind of half-a$$ed victory for them. Which would be ironic as they previously declared chinese players going to Wal-Mart as inconsequential. Yawn...

Well, Blu-ray-adamus (Beatboy) you better believe those players (and others) are going somewhere. My suggestion for all those interested, is you'd better get that lead paint detector ready 'cause you're gonna need it - they're gonna sell like crack at about $129.

Sorry for the double post.
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And there's always still Fuh Yuan.

That's probably the real reason...
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Could these players be selling at Best Buy and Circuit City?

I think that would be huge. If I remember right, I thought CC sold the Apex players back in the day...

I would think they would do better in an environment like BB or CC where it can easily be an upsell after someone buys a tv. The "salespeople" at Wal-Mart are not normally informed or helpful - at least in my neck of the woods.
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They have Venturer at Sears, etc., and I've bought low end brands like that at Best Buy and Future Shop (which is owned by Best Buy).
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Two things....

Why all this talk before CEDIA REMBER they have not even been seen/reviewed.

Was this the BDA's plan to lock out HD DVD from Wallmart/SONY hdTV DEAL?
Target player deal?

Blu ray is the best Blah, blah, blah.
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"We have no plans to carry..." sounds like a tpyical response and does not say they will not be carrying it. Also, it will be in enouhg places to make a difference. Once it starts selling like crazy, retailers will take note.
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Your attempt to deflate HD DVD fans enthusiasm has failed Beatboy. AGAIN.

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Could these players be selling at Best Buy and Circuit City?

I think that would be huge. If I remember right, I thought CC sold the Apex players back in the day...

I would think they would do better in an environment like BB or CC where it can easily be an upsell after someone buys a tv. The "salespeople" at Wal-Mart are not normally informed or helpful - at least in my neck of the woods.

What makes you think the sales people at BB & CC are better informed or more helpful than Wal-mart.... seems like it would be about a toss up to me.
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And once again, why would Walmart (or any other retailer) announce to the world what their actual plans are this far in advance?
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Um, its not saying much. If a low price HD player is part of their holiday plan then they don't want to tip their hand too soon.
We do know they were very interested in a cheap HD player.
They sell Venture brand so they probably will sell this too at some point.


And maybe they are telling the truth, maybe they have no planes for a Venture HD player because they do have deal with Fuh Yuan

the venture player proves a cheap HD player is possible, Venture is only the first of many to make these players. Besides I think Wallyworld is going to need a huge supply, maybe an exclusive supply to meet their demand.
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Soooo.....errrmmmm......is this Beatboy's "BIG NEWS" from a week ago, or have we all just decided that he didn't actually HAVE any news at all?

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If they did show up at best buy that would be awesome, better than walmart seeing how best buy is the #1 electronic store in sales compared to walmart.
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i agree that Venturer would be somewhere, be it Amazon, Target, KMart or even S-Mart.

S-Mart. Is that a gas station?
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