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post #181 of 637 Old 09-29-2007, 12:39 PM
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I'm not sure if you read my previous post, but have you tried a comparison using legacy lossy tracks on SD DVDs? I would be interested in knowing if your findings are the same. Thanks.

No I haven't but when I get home tonight I will.

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Can some one with an import title with DTS-MA try it out?

I would like to know if this player will show DTS-MA as well.

I don't have any import titles.

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This thread is compelling me to purchase an Onkyo, but don't those sound like doo doo compared to an H/K.
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How can a product that costs 499 compare decoding audio to one that costs 2100 (msrp)? Lets not kid ourselves.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with MSRP. It's got to do with the chips doing the conversions. One might cost $1, the other $2 - or they might be exactly the same in both units, in which case there's no difference to hear.

If the player is doing the decoding, the chip gets digital data from disc, decodes it into digital Multichannel PCM and shunts that out via HDMI to the receiver. Now, if you're letting the receiver do the decoding, you're simply extending the distance data needs to move from disc to the decoder chip. Instead of moving a couple of inches across the motherboard, the data moves some feet across an HDMI cable.

Basically, you want to hear a difference, which is why you're hearing one. Never underestimate the power of autosuggestion. (And so as you know, I've had the pleasure of testing HBR bitstreaming with Yamaha 3800 and Pioneer LX70A player.)

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Based on these reviews I just ordered an A35 from Robert! It will be here Tuesday!!

Me too, but mine is coming on Wednesday. Robert seems like a really good guy.

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Can some one with an import title with DTS-MA try it out?

I would like to know if this player will show DTS-MA as well.

I don't have any import titles.

Yes it does. I tried Nature's Journey on my A35 today. The ONKYO 605 receiver shows DTS-HD MSTR right on the display. The sound is awesome, a noticeable difference over the multi-channel IMO.
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Sounds better to me. Looks like Joerod and Gary agree. It's not Night & Day, but it's noticeable.

I guess my question is, why? There has to be a reason.

My car drives faster and rides better after I wash it too, but obviously that's all in my head. It could be something so simple as your brain being excited that the "TrueHD" logo lit up on your Onkyo!

I love HD...and I hated that Anti-Consumer format war.

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What about the a30...does it do 1080/24 and hbr like the a35?

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I guess my question is, why? There has to be a reason.

My car drives faster and rides better after I wash it too, but obviously that's all in my head. It could be something so simple as your brain being excited that the "TrueHD" logo lit up on your Onkyo!

Nope I've been doing this a loooooong time. I don't believe in snake oil or magic speaker cables, I do however believe in superior dacs and processing. It simply sounds better, I'm now going to spend less time defending myself and more time listening .

Just know that everyone else that has the option of doing both has said the same thing.

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What about the a30...does it do 1080/24 and hbr like the a35?

It will do the 1080p/24 but will not do HBR audio because it doesn't have the 1.3 HDMI chip, it uses a 1.2 version of the chip.

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I guess my question is, why? There has to be a reason.

My car drives faster and rides better after I wash it too, but obviously that's all in my head. It could be something so simple as your brain being excited that the "TrueHD" logo lit up on your Onkyo!

BINGO! I think your right, everyone seems to be going gaga over seeing TrueHD/DTS MA on their Pre/Pro, so it must sound better right?????
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I do however believe in superior dacs and processing.

You know there's only one set of DACs involved in this process, no matter which route you're taking? The player is not converting anything to analog when it passes audio over HDMI as PCM - it's still digital and hasn't visited analog domain at all. It doesn't matter whether it's the player or the receiver doing DTHD/DTS-HD decoding, it's only the receiver doing digital to analog conversion, and that's for feeding analog to the amplifier stage.

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You know there's only one set of DACs involved in this process, no matter which route you're taking? The player is not converting anything to analog when it passes audio over HDMI as PCM - it's still digital and hasn't been visiting the analog domain at all. It doesn't matter whether it's the player or the receiver doing DTHD/DTS-HD decoding, it's only the receiver doing to digital to analog conversion, and that's for feeding analog to the amplifier stage.

I was not saying that the dacs are the reason, I was using an example of things I do believe in. If you want me to tell you I'm imagining things, then fine. Whatever makes you feel better, but have YOU heard both? I have. This is what HT is all about, evolution in sound. We should be excited about these advancements, I am.

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What about the a30...does it do 1080/24 and hbr like the a35?

From what I've read, I think it does 1080p but not 1080p/24. I'll let the experts explain that. HBR requires HDMI 1.3 which I don't think the A30 has.
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You negative nonbelievers you are right. There is not a difference in audio quality. Oh and the world is FLAT to...

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You negative nonbelievers you are right. There is not a difference in audio quality. Oh and the world is FLAT to...


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If you want me to tell you I'm imagining things, then fine.

Like I wrote earlier: you want to hear a difference, you hear a difference. I don't think there's anything really wrong with that, actually.

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Whatever makes you feel better, but have YOU heard both?

Yes, I have. I spent three days last week testing a Yamaha 3800 with Pioneer's latest BD-player which does HBR bitstreaming over HDMI 1.3 and a set of KEF's Reference speakers.

This has absolutely nothing to do with "making me feel better". That's quite an insult, albeit it missed the mark by a mile. I'm simply resisting the snake oil merchants.

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We should be excited about these advancements, I am.

So am I. But my excitement does not blind me to facts.

Listen (heh), it's quite easy to set up a blind test with the help of the missus. Just make sure the decoding is switched between the receiver and the player randomly and several times, and that you have no knowledge which product is doing the decoding. The volume should be also randomly changed, so you can't tell which one's playing by audio levels. Just make sure the levels are not higher every time for the same product, as louder = better

The assistant makes notes on which unit was doing the decoding during each test, records your answers, then compares the two. If there's a difference, you should hit very close to 100%. No cheating, now!

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You negative nonbelievers you are right. There is not a difference in audio quality. Oh and the world is FLAT to...

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with Crystalio II, either. Right?

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I know all about the placebo effect. It sounds better, that's it. I am not going to defend this anymore. Geesh.

BTW P, I wasn't trying to insult you by any means, if you felt as if I was, then I owe you an apology.

P.S. It sounds better

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Not with mine. Especially since the last firmware 2.08a. Have you heard a newer receiver decode the advanced codecs yet? I guess using your imagination you figure there is no difference. Keep telling yourself that... The power of suggestion can be strong...

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I am not going to keep defending this either (especially to those who have not ever heard it) but MARK THIS POST. By late next year everyone will be using their RECEIVERS to do Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Hi Res... Everybody!

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BTW P, I wasn't trying to insult you by any means, if you felt as if I was, then I owe you an apology.

I guess I got you confused with the bland for a moment there. No worries, mate.

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P.S. It sounds better

To quote someone: "Whatever makes you feel better..." Hah!

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Have you heard a newer receiver decode the advanced codecs yet? I guess using your imagination you figure there is no difference. Keep telling yourself that... The power of suggestion can be strong...

What are you, blind? Yes yes and yes, I have. BEFORE YOU DID AND FOR LONGER THAN YOU HAVE. Just read post #198 of this thread, as you obviously haven't read it yet. The bit about blind testing is for you as well.

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I guess I got you confused with the bland for a moment there. No worries, mate.


To quote someone: "Whatever makes you feel better..." Hah!

Ok, that was actually funny

Feel better about what, I have both. I have nothing to justify or gain here.

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Do you notice a 2-3 second sound loss when forwarding through chapters like the Samsung BD-P1400 does? My Samsung losses sound for a few seconds when you change chapters.
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Do you notice a 2-3 second sound loss when forwarding through chapters like the Samsung BD-P1400 does? My Samsung losses sound for a few seconds when you change chapters.

Yes but my Onkyo 875 could be culprit as well, It's known to do that.

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Feel better about what, I have both. I have nothing to justify or gain here.

Dunno, you tell me why you're imagining things Maybe you're subconsciously trying to justify buying a new receiver, when your previous one was easily up to the task? (No, I don't know what your previous receiver was )

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Dunno, you tell me why you're imagining things Maybe you're subconsciously trying to justify buying a new receiver, when your previous one was easily up to the task? (No, I don't know what your previous receiver was )

I didn't buy a new receiver but nice assumption. I get it, we're all wrong, but you my friend have shown us the path.

Is it possible to move on now? Something tells me the answer to that is "no".

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Yes but my Onkyo 875 could be culprit as well, It's known to do that.

Count yourself lucky you didn't buy a 905, it f**** up the picture even in HDMI through mode.

BTW, is the 875 able to do DPL IIx 5.1 -> 7.1 processing to Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD sources in both MPCM and HBR bitstreaming modes? I was pretty impressed by the Yamaha 3800 as it could do both.

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I didn't buy a new receiver but nice assumption. I get it, we're all wrong, but you my friend have shown us the path. Is it possible to move on now? Something tells me the answer to that is "no".

Don't have a cow, man. It was just a bit of fun.

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