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I like the move. Toshiba is going for the throat.

But if this doesn't work, is that that? What else could they do?

If this doesn't work, mass adoption of either format won't occur until players start at $49 AND HD-DVD's are close to standard DVD pricing.

Thoughts?
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If this doesn't work, they'll make the software reasonably priced to try to get all these owners of HD players to actually buy discs.
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If? Of all the fan fare pushed difference between the two formats? This is one of the few that actually carry weight. It really looks like this one worked.
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If Toshiba can't get interest in $99 and $198 players, both formats are damned.
People aren't as excited about HDTV as the companies thought they would be.
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The thing is, this is precisely the thing that will work for HD DVD. It is causing even many die-hard (formerly) Blu-ray only fans into going format neutral. If it can do that to die hards, imagine what it will do to fence sitters.

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It will work Wonder if they can announce "in light of the success of the sale, $98.97 will be the regular price for the rest of the holiday season?"
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The problem now is getting people to buy an HDTV,most of my friends and family still have an SDTV.Once they have an HDTV they will be willing to buy an HD player.We are already seeing these topics:"Will an HD player look good on my SDTV?"
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Agree with all so far...

Flat panel prices continue to fall and retailers are expecting a big flat panel holiday. The last thing you want to do after finally stretching for the big flat panel is pay a few hundred more for a high def DVD player.

But a $99 player, heck throw it on the credit card along with the TV, and at least one HD-DVD - gotta be Planet Earth.

I can't think of a better way to compliment a new HDTV than with Planet Earth on HD-DVD.

If that doesn't 'wow' the masses, then it ain't gonna happen soon.
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Also, I have a few friends who are interested in HD movies, but wont buy a player because they want to wait to "see who wins". It does not seem to be a matter of $$, but rather of pride in not choosing "the looser". I get lots of comparisons between this format war and what happened in the VHS/BETAMAX days.
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Personally, as a common sense supporter (HD DVD), I can't wait for the A2 owners (formerly known as J6P), strolls into Best Buy, Target, Circuit City, etc., and tries to buy Spiderman on their Toshiba A2's.

It'll sorta go like this: To their dismay, they'll find that the disc doesn't work in their Toshiba A2! So they walk over to the next aisle to see the machine that Spidey does play in, only to find that the cheapest Blu machine is three times what they paid for their A2! The customer, formerly known as J6P, says to himself, "Oh hell, no! I'm not paying for that!" Then a knowledgeable store clerk eagerly reminds the A2 owner, "Sir/Ma'am, you can purchase the Spidey disc in standard DVD. Yes, I know that it won't be in HD, but it will upconvert (the A2 owner remembers this term) in your A2 and will look quite nice on your TV." The A2 owner appreciates that fact that he doesn't have to abandon his/her extensive SD collection through upconversion, and realizes that he/she now has the best of both worlds without breaking the bank...

Tune in next week for the episode of "Wow, these HD DVD movies are just a $1.00 more than my Standard Def movies!"

This short was brought to you in DTS.

Lights dimmed, curtain closes.

P.S. If Sony/BDA had any sense, they'd be extolling the virtues of Dual Formats Players right now.
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How stupid would you have to be to think that $99 HD-DVD players aren't going to sell or "work" as you put it? Are you an idiot? They'll be sold out by 8:05 AM tomorrow. LOL
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"They'll be sold out by 8:05 AM tomorrow. LOL"

Well that is a problem for all of us who would have bought at $100 but can't get to a Walmart tomorrow. If that becomes the normal price, then it will mean something.
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Also, I have a few friends who are interested in HD movies, but wont buy a player because they want to wait to "see who wins". It does not seem to be a matter of $$, but rather of pride in not choosing "the looser". I get lots of comparisons between this format war and what happened in the VHS/BETAMAX days.

Anyone who waited for the end of the Betamax/vhs war waited a long time. I would rather have had a betamax that I was enjoying than have had nothing. Really, if that is the only reason a person is waiting, they are only punishing themselves--especially now! If HD DVD does lose, I will still have had a great deal of enjoyment while your friends will have had nothing.
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Also, I have a few friends who are interested in HD movies, but wont buy a player because they want to wait to "see who wins". It does not seem to be a matter of $$, but rather of pride in not choosing "the looser". I get lots of comparisons between this format war and what happened in the VHS/BETAMAX days.


Come on, you just lose $99 in the rare chance that HD-DVD format loses the war but enjoy HD movies.

Do your friends care $99 or care to enjoy?
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You can't lose with a $100 player...the A2 upconverts very nicely...it's win win! If I was down with you USA'ers I would buy a second unit for my other room.
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The problem now is getting people to buy an HDTV,most of my friends and family still have an SDTV.Once they have an HDTV they will be willing to buy an HD player.We are already seeing these topics:"Will an HD player look good on my SDTV?"

Well it's aimed, presumably in the short term, at the existing millions who own HDTVs - roughly 30% of the US market - and a significant group out of that who don't know what high def really is despite the hdtv:

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As of July 2007, HDTV saturation in the US has reached 30 percent - in other words, three out of every ten American households own at least one HDTV. However, only 44 percent of those that do own an HDTV are actually receiving HDTV programming,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television
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Also, I have a few friends who are interested in HD movies, but wont buy a player because they want to wait to "see who wins". It does not seem to be a matter of $$, but rather of pride in not choosing "the looser". I get lots of comparisons between this format war and what happened in the VHS/BETAMAX days.

At $98-198 for a backwards compatible very good upscaling player the trepidation is not really warranted at all. The comparisons are not valid nor are they warranted.
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Well it's aimed, presumably in the short term, at the existing millions who own HDTVs - roughly 30% of the US market - and a significant group out of that who don't know what high def really is despite the hdtv:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television

I've seen that stat before but I am still skeptical that 30% of US households have an HDTV,I think it's closer to 15%.
There are conflicting reports from CE Association and Neilsen,the CE Association reports on total sales and doesn't consider more than one HDTV in a home.Neilsen is more accurate because they take a census.
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6495849.html
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I like the move. Toshiba is going for the throat.

But if this doesn't work, is that that? What else could they do?

If this doesn't work, mass adoption of either format won't occur until players start at $49 AND HD-DVD's are close to standard DVD pricing.

Thoughts?

Both Toshiba & Micro$oft better go for the throat, Sony has been lying through their teeth ever since the start of this year.

Sony is telling people that Blu-Ray is the ONLY Hi Def format around. And they regard HD DVD as a DVD player which is a little better then a DVD player.

Toshiba should go for the throat & rip it apart. This Sony Arrogance is the ONE reason why I hope Blu-Ray fails miserably. If it wasn't for the arrogance & lies, then maybe just maybe I would pick a BD player up for ONLY $99
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How stupid would you have to be to think that $99 HD-DVD players aren't going to sell or "work" as you put it? Are you an idiot? They'll be sold out by 8:05 AM tomorrow. LOL

They'll sell. That's not what I'm saying.

They'll be sold out. That's not what I'm saying either.

But will it truly trigger mass adoption of the format, that's the question of the thread.

I hope this is the most idiotic quesion I've ever asked, and HD-DVD leaves BR in the dust.

Same team.
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You people are way too optimistic. No one in the real world even knows what HD even is.

Hell, I went on a job interview for a major news network who was opening up an HD channel, and the lady in charge of the tape department had no idea what 1080p was.
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They'll sell. That's not what I'm saying.

They'll be sold out. That's not what I'm saying either.

But will it truly trigger mass adoption of the format, that's the question of the thread.

Those of you who think MP3s are great sounding, please cast the first stone.

It's that kind of low-quality thresh hold, pervasive among consumers these days, that has effectively put a halt on the further growth of the audio industry. So to draw a parallel, I'm not sure the average American will be educated enough to tell the difference at first. Think of it, the majority of HDTVs are used to watch...S-DVDs.

Conversely, we have reached a point of no return. The price will never go back up, next Xmas it will be $50. By then, it will have seeped into the mainstream because it's so cheap, but not necessarily because Americans love 1080i.
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