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My local Wal Marts say they have plenty stock of HD-A2's for tomorrow's sale. I'm on my way there first thing in the morning.

Can someone help me with upgrading my AV receiver to an HDMI equipped one capable of decoding the DD+ and TrueHD soundtracks out of the A2? I'm on a budget (obviously since I've waited on this price point).

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post #2 of 35 Old 11-01-2007, 08:37 PM
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Onkyo TX-SR605

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are these new formats really that much better than DTS or Dolby 5.1? I have small 5.1 satellite speakers so I'm not sure if I would make any difference. I own a Yamaha 2400 receiver that does not have hdmi output but I might have to upgrade some day.
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are these new formats really that much better than DTS or Dolby 5.1? I have small 5.1 satellite speakers so I'm not sure if I would make any difference. I own a Yamaha 2400 receiver that does not have hdmi output but I might have to upgrade some day.

DD+ and TrueHD are amazing, so yes, they will be much more transparent to the studio master than DD or even DTS.

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hey if it sounds good to you who cares.. I dont think i could tell you which one was what..

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And I agree with bruss, the Onkyo 605 is a very good receiver for those on a budget...

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Also the Yamaha RX-V661.
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Also the Yamaha RX-V661.

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So the HD-A2 has HDMI 1.3??? I thought the decoding of TrueHD(on the receiver end) can only be done when both the player and receiver has HDMI1.3... I cant find anythere on toshibas website or in the HD-A2 manual that the HDMI is v1.3...

From the "Official" "Why you don't need HDMI 1.3" thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=789994

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In the alternative, if the decoding is to be done in the RECEIVER, then you need to get the still-encoded "bitstream" -- the original, packed TrueHD or DTS-HD MA data -- over into the receiver. And THAT requires HDMI V1.3 or higher on both ends. But beware, that, once again, the ability to pass these new, "lossless" bitstreams is an *OPTIONAL* feature of HDMI V1.3. As it turns out, there are only a scant few players out there now that implement HDMI V1.3, and, as of today, *NONE OF THEM* actually implement passing these bitstreams to HDMI V1.3 receivers. This, of course, will change over time.

Once the bitstream gets into the receiver, and presuming the receiver has the right decoder, the bitstream will be decoded into PCM. This is THE SAME PCM as the player might produce. So there's really no difference. Either the player produces the PCM and transfers it to the receiver over HDMI (V1.1 or higher) or the player passes the bitstream to the receiver over HDMI (V1.3 of higher) and the receiver produces the IDENTICALLY SAME PCM.

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are these new formats really that much better than DTS or Dolby 5.1? I have small 5.1 satellite speakers so I'm not sure if I would make any difference. I own a Yamaha 2400 receiver that does not have hdmi output but I might have to upgrade some day.

YESSS...on the right system. The jump in video quality is really only noticeable on an HD TV........right? Well, just like PQ, sound quality is really noticeable on the right equipment. And in some people's opinions, the jump in the quality and depth of sound is larger and more defined than the jump in the quality of the higher resolution picture....

In terms of LFE, size does matter!
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The A2 cannot bitstream TrueHD or DTS-MA to a receiver. It can only internally decode TrueHD and send it over HDMI as multichannel PCM.

Via optical it will transcode and output as DTS 1.5mbs
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Onkyo TX-SR605

Best bang for the buck in many opinions! Just got one myself and although I don't care for the looks of it all that much, the features are amazing for the money.

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The A2 cannot bitstream TrueHD or DTS-MA to a receiver. It can only internally decode TrueHD and send it over HDMI as multichannel PCM.

Via optical it will transcode and output as DTS 1.5mbs


Which unless you have a professionals' ear is about indistinguishable. -imo
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Onkyo TX-SR605

This is what I purchased just last weekend. It is great and has exceeded my expectations!!!!!!!!1
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The Sony 810 is a budget receiver that supports the PCM stream the A2 will give you. I think you can get them under $300 shipped.

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Originally posted by Optica: The A2 cannot bitstream TrueHD or DTS-MA to a receiver. It can only internally decode TrueHD and send it over HDMI as multichannel PCM.

Via optical it will transcode and output as DTS 1.5mbs

So if I have an older Sony STR-800 with HDMI passthrough capability over HDMI but have to use optical out, then I can only use DTS 1.5?

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Which unless you have a professionals' ear is about indistinguishable. -imo

if pcm is lossless and true hd is lossless then wouldn't there be no difference at all? either way you'd be hearing the studio master...

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So if I have an older Sony STR-800 with HDMI passthrough capability over HDMI but have to use optical out, then I can only use DTS 1.5?

correct. or, 2 channel pcm.

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so with any of these 3 av receivers mentioned in this thread, the onkyo, the yamaha, or the sony, they can use the hdmi connection for both audio and video? no need for optical or digital coax cables?

amazing how one single purchase of a $99 HD-A2 player has led to the purchase of a blu-ray player (sony 300), hd-dvds (matrix ultimate collection), and now a new a/v receiver. yes i now have both hd-dvd and blu-ray. only way to go as far as i am concerned. the price has dropped on both now to jump in with both feet!

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so with any of these 3 av receivers mentioned in this thread, the onkyo, the yamaha, or the sony, they can use the hdmi connection for both audio and video? no need for optical or digital coax cables?

Yes (at least for the Onkyo 605 I assume the others are the same). Your HD DVD player is connected to the receiver and the receiver to your display. For lack of a better term the receiver processes the audio portion of the HDMI signal and allows the video portion to continue on the the display.

The 605 is a very capable piece of equipment. If you budget allows you may want to look at the 705. You gain (most important) an extra HDMI input allowing your receiver to switch a total of 3 HDMI and 3 component and send the output via a single HDMI to your display. It also has upgraded DSP that allow you to matrix 5.1 HD audio into 7.1 channels (if you ever wanted to go 7 channels). Nothing bad to say about the 605 but I think the 705 is more "bang for the buck".
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I have no problem recommending a number of different receivers, the ones I primarily deal with at my store are Denons and Pioneer Elites. But if it is the A2 that you have, and if your budget fit, I would be looking at the new NADs. Let the A2 do the decoding and the NAD give you the superior sound quality. I know we just got the price lists in for the new NADs and I am just waiting to take shipment on them...can't wait as I plan to upgrade in the new year.

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Thanks all! Just received the 605 from amazon. They had the best price as usual (<400)

Also ordered a set of JBL 5.1 speakers at same time (CS480 for 299)!!!

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The A2 has hdmi 1.2 so all audio is decoded in the player. If you are using optical then it down-converts DD+ and TrueHD per manual. Email me if you like to see my set up.

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The Sony 810 is a budget receiver that supports the PCM stream the A2 will give you. I think you can get them under $300 shipped.

I picked up the 810 for my parents for Christmas for their A2. I can't wait to give it to them. The Sony 710 also supports PCM over HDMI, and is even less expensive.

I just cannot recommend an Onkyo 605 unless you have a player that supports HBR (XA2 or A35). Why pay for a receiver that has onboard decoding of the new audio codecs if you can't use the feature?

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Hard to argue with the Sony STR-DG810 for $269 from etronics. If you go through Amazon you might even get free shipping as well. It has 3 HDMI in ports and should work great with any HD DVD player.
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The 810 has 3 HDMI inputs

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Thanks. I think that sealed the deal for me.

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Hard to argue with the Sony STR-DG810 for $269 from etronics. If you go through Amazon you might even get free shipping as well. It has 2 HDMI in ports and should work great with any HD DVD player.


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Just keep in mind that the 605 can not matrix DD+ or True HD 5.1 into 7.1, the 705 and 805 will though.
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Thanks for the info. I never paid to much attention to the audio side of things because I was waiting for the prices to drop before getting an HD-DVD player. Now that I have one, I'm trying to make sense of the audio.

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I picked up the 810 for my parents for Christmas for their A2. I can't wait to give it to them. The Sony 710 also supports PCM over HDMI, and is even less expensive.

I just cannot recommend an Onkyo 605 unless you have a player that supports HBR (XA2 or A35). Why pay for a receiver that has onboard decoding of the new audio codecs if you can't use the feature?


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I picked up the 810 for my parents for Christmas for their A2. I can't wait to give it to them. The Sony 710 also supports PCM over HDMI, and is even less expensive.

I just cannot recommend an Onkyo 605 unless you have a player that supports HBR (XA2 or A35). Why pay for a receiver that has onboard decoding of the new audio codecs if you can't use the feature?

The 710 will only do 2 channel PCM.
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