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post #1 of 1755 Old 12-01-2007, 11:30 PM - Thread Starter
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So it appears that the Onkyo's apparent rebadge of the Toshiba XA2 has started appearing in stores, but there might be more to the player than first meets the eye.

I managed to pick one of these up earlier this week and, out of the box at least, it seems like it is pretty much on par with the flagship Toshiba player. I'm only running the player @ 1080i60 since my display (a 70 JVC HD-ILA) doesn't do 24p and I prefer the flexibility of 1080i as I will occasionally zoom 4:3 letterbox supplements and my display won't allow that @ 1080p. Audio is being bitstreamed to a Denon 3808ci.

I've, at one point or another, had the A1, A2, XA2, A35, and now HD805 all in my system. I find the HD805 to be every bit as good and maybe even a hair better than those other players. The HD image is gorgeous. On the XA2, I was never a huge fan of the Reon chip for standard def. I found it to output an overly processed image. I thought the A35 was better with standard def because it gave me a slightly softer, but less edgy picture. Well, either there was something wrong with my XA2 or the Reon in the HD805 is improved as it provides the perfect balance between the two older players. It lacks much of the over-processed look I found in my XA2 with an overall smoother look, but also has the extra sharpness and detail I had always expected with the Reon. For standard def, it's my go-to player now.

The look of the player itself is quite nice. It's a bit blockier than the XA2 or the A35, but with a nice, simplistic black face. One of the things I actually like most about the player is the lack of any bright format light on the face. With the XA2 you get the downward shining blue beam and with the A35 it's the bright blue HD-DVD logo on the face. It would be good for those players to allow users to turn them off and actually stay off when you restart the unit. Those don't, but luckily Onkyo has forgotten any sort of branding light to distract in a darkened theater. Ahh, the little things.

As for loading times and any improvements in that area, there was some mystery at the outset as to the loading times of the HD805. Initial testing on my unit reported boot times and disc loading times very close to those the XA2 and A35. joerod, another member with the Onkyo HD805 initially reported times very much under that. There was a bit of confusion originally as to the variance in performance of the two players, but it seems to be getting clearer. I'll let joerod explain in more detail, but the short story is that there is a potential firmware update that will take this player to the next level in terms of speed and stability.

Overall, I was very hesitant on the long-term viability of the HD805 in my system, but based on joerod's experiences and the potential for firmware upgrades to take this player into the next generation, plus the improved SD DVD performance I now get, I'm looking forward to taking the ride with this player. Is it worth the $800 if you already own the A35 or XA2? Not as much and I would be hard pressed to recommend the player to those people. I do feel comfortable, however, saying that the HD805 is one of the best HD-DVD players out there. Certainly as good as the other two, with the potential to be even better.
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What do the future firmware upgrades improve?
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Is this player eligible for the 5 free movie deal?
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Just saw this unit at Fry's (Burbank). They had it hidden away in a cabinet ...w/ the door closed! If I hadn't asked - I never would have seen it. They are charging full list price ($799.) Gorgeous looking machine!

If not for the possibility of an AX3 announcement (Maybe at CES?) I would definitely buy one (although not at list price).
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John, we're not expecting to see Toshiba Gen 4 players at CES or a XA3. So your safe to order Onkyo's DV HD805 from your favorite authorized dealer.

PRO-630HD, yes Onkyo's HD805 is eligible for the 5 free title rebate.

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Ditto.
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Robert,
Thanks for the info.
In your opinion - can we expect future firmware upgrades from Onkyo - as reliably as we do from Toshiba? Overall - Toshiba has been very forthcoming w/ these. Toshiba also offers excellent customer service. Guess I feel kinda "comfy" w/ Toshiba. Not sure about Onkyo. Lastly, will future XA2 firmware upgrades work on the HD805? Or will they have to come from Onkyo?
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Brad,
Glad you like the 805's performance as an SD player (I currently use a Denon 3930 for SD discs). Question? How is the SD layer change? (if you like I can give you layer change times for a few discs so you can check.)
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I would like to think that Onkyo will offer quick firmware updates. In fact, I would bet on it.

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One thing I learned from the whole XA2 1080/24p issue is NOT to buy players based on FW update promises. I will beleive this when I see/hear about it. Until then it is all speculation.

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One thing I learned from the whole XA2 1080/24p issue is NOT to buy players based on FW update promises. I will beleive this when I see/hear about it. Until then it is all speculation.

What is/was the issue with the XA2?

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One thing I learned from the whole XA2 1080/24p issue is NOT to buy players based on FW update promises. I will beleive this when I see/hear about it. Until then it is all speculation.

But didn't Toshiba come through at long last? (I realize there was a 7 month delay and their engineers had to fix the initial 24hz output firmware)
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I would like to think that Onkyo will offer quick firmware updates. In fact, I would bet on it.

With the exception of my brand new Onkyo 885 pre/pro - I've never owned any Onkyo equipment. Hense I have no history w/ them.
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Robert,
Thanks for the info.
In your opinion - can we expect future firmware upgrades from Onkyo - as reliably as we do from Toshiba? Overall - Toshiba has been very forthcoming w/ these. Toshiba also offers excellent customer service. Guess I feel kinda "comfy" w/ Toshiba. Not sure about Onkyo. Lastly, will future XA2 firmware upgrades work on the HD805? Or will they have to come from Onkyo?

I can't speak to using Tosh FW on the Onkyo definitively, but I can say that I'm currently on FW 2.6 on the Onkyo. Last night I tried to check new firmware and apparently I have the most recent. So while Toshiba is on 2.7, the Onkyo is at 2.6. That makes me think there is at least something slightly different between models and we'll see an improved 2.7 for the Onkyo before we see a 2.8 for the Toshiba.

Otherwise, I'm away in Albuquerque for work until Wednesday afternoon, so I'm not around the 805 to answer any other questions until then.
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sorry I knew ur display is not 24p capable, but can some other owner confirm the 24p is working as of now ? (as in 23.96p and no lip sync issues ?)

thanks.

btw you will be shocked at the onkyo price in this part of the world: approx US$1900 !! the most expensive HD player in either format
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sorry I knew ur display is not 24p capable, but can some other owner confirm the 24p is working as of now ? (as in 23.96p and no lip sync issues ?)

thanks.

btw you will be shocked at the onkyo price in this part of the world: approx US$1900 !! the most expensive HD player in either format

I don't know if the Onkyo ever had this issue.

HD-XA2 (and Euro HD-XE1) got the 24p issue fixed with firmware 2.7, I know mine fixed it anyways.
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The HD805 works flawlessly at 1080p/24 (23.97) and has absolutely no lip sync issues.

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One thing I learned from the whole XA2 1080/24p issue is NOT to buy players based on FW update promises. I will beleive this when I see/hear about it. Until then it is all speculation.

Hmmm, I don't know why you would use this as an example, frankly. The promised 1080p24 output for the XA2 has been delivered and works perfectly.

Also, other features have been delivered for HD DVD players that were never promised to begin with, such as 5.1 THD decoding and bitstream output for advanced audio codecs to external AVRs.
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One thing I learned from the whole XA2 1080/24p issue is NOT to buy players based on FW update promises. I will beleive this when I see/hear about it. Until then it is all speculation.

Same thing occured with my PS3 - promises - on two major issues - 24fps, then upscaling. Both delivered. So really it's the stuff of the new technology. Just be thankful that they come and make your player even more functional and adaptable without having to buy a new system everytime. In fact updates are the stuff of most technology, Vista, XP - service packs, patches, etc.
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Hey Brad both the XA-2 & the A-35 front panel lights can be turned down and even off. Hit the dimmer button on the remote.
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All I am saying is that I personaly would not buy this (or any) unit based on promised FW updates if the update was something that was important in my buying decision. For ME I would wait until the update is out before buying. And yes Toshiba did deliver as promised, but many of us had our doubts for a while and it is simply not worth that for me personaly again. Next time, I will wait till the update(s) that are important to me are out before purchase. If you guys are good with buying based on promises then that is fine as well

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Same thing occured with my PS3 - promises - on two major issues - 24fps, then upscaling. Both delivered. So really it's the stuff of the new technology. Just be thankful that they come and make your player even more functional and adaptable without having to buy a new system everytime. In fact updates are the stuff of most technology, Vista, XP - service packs, patches, etc.


I am very thankful (as it saved me from having to sell the XA2 and keep the A35) for the updates, it was simply a lesson learned for me personaly and obviously most dont feel the way I do which is allright

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Hmmm, I don't know why you would use this as an example, frankly. The promised 1080p24 output for the XA2 has been delivered and works perfectly.

Also, other features have been delivered for HD DVD players that were never promised to begin with, such as 5.1 THD decoding and bitstream output for advanced audio codecs to external AVRs.


True, but it did take longer than I was told by a few Toshiba engineers at Cedia (I bought the player based on this info) which made me have serious doubts, infact enough so that I bought an A35 (which luckily I was able to return). I blame no one but myself, but when you buy something based on promises and then those promises still have not hit almost 2 months into the purchase you start to have regrets. Just not interested in going through that again as I simply dont want to sweat taking a possible hit if the FW update does not come to pass. Again these are just my feelings based on the XA2 1080/24p issue.

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Hey Brad both the XA-2 & the A-35 front panel lights can be turned down and even off. Hit the dimmer button on the remote.

But it has been my experience that they return to on when you power your player off and back on again.
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Correct...they do return to default setting each time you power on. I actually think the lighted HD DVD logo on the A-35 is pretty dang cool though.
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Anybody else (besides Brad, Joe) have an HD805 yet?
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Anybody else (besides Brad, Joe) have an HD805 yet?

I already had it, long before those two

But there's nothing more to say. The Onkyo is a rebatch of the XA2. If you want the look of an Onkyo to match your AVR (like I do) then buy it. In every other case get the XA2.

BTW: Today an Onky-Rep. called me and told me that every customer here in Europe who is claiming about the remote will get a second remote including the "Picture"-key. This won't be XA2's remote but something like a universal-remote which will be learned that key.

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I already had it, long before those two

But there's nothing more to say. The Onkyo is a rebatch of the XA2. If you want the look of an Onkyo to match your AVR (like I do) then buy it. In every other case get the XA2.

BTW: Today an Onky-Rep. called me and told me that every customer here in Europe who is claiming about the remote will get a second remote including the "Picture"-key. This won't be XA2's remote but something like a universal-remote which will be learned that key.

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Micha, very interesting information, indeed. My HD805 is on the way, I expect to hold in in my hands tomorrow or the day after

Just as you said, I like the optics of the Onkyo. Whether this argument is worth to spend the premium price is a matter of personal taste. For me aesthetics matters.

Will also apply for the second remote, thanks for the heads-up.
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mmfs001,
Yes I remember that you had the very first unit. (I was thinking of owners in the USA)

Guess there really is nothing more to say.

Except - wonder if USA players will get a second remote???
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I have a feeling if one was to call they will.

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