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post #1 of 21 Old 01-16-2008, 01:10 PM - Thread Starter
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With the recent news of the Japanese HD DVD firmware updates which allow
HD DVD players to accept HD DVD-R media is great news.

Most argue that Blu-Ray discs can't fit on a HD DVD30 but with the TL51 you could easily burn and play it on your HD player.

Some will also argue that BD+ is uncrackable but it's only a matter of time until it gets cracked and distributed all over the net.

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Is there any point to continue to develop this anymore?

Also, no one ever hinted that the TL disc would be a recordable format. And you hate BD that much you would rather transfer the data to another format? Is that even cost effective? Plus we never got confirmation TL would have a higher datarate. Even if you could transfer all the data over its useless unless it at least meets BD's transfer rate.

Let it die in peace. HD DVD had its chance. BD will now either grow to become the next DVD or it will become niche. HD DVD and BD together in the market doomed both to niche status.
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TL51 is strictly HD DVD-ROM.

BTW, I suspect that DL30 HD DVD-R won't be that popular. It will be mostly SL15 if HD DVD recordables become popular, simply because of cost.

However, if you are just archiving HD movies from your PVR or from over-the-air HD for example, then SL15 will be fine for most purposes if you re-encode it. (MPEG2 takes up too much space.)
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Some will also argue that BD+ is uncrackable but it's only a matter of time until it gets cracked and distributed all over the net.

While nothing is un-crackable, BD+ is pretty hardened.

The idea behind BD+ is that if you crack disc 1, disc 2 is still protected because the protection scheme can be changed.

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

As for TL-51, there is no point. It won't work with any current players so it'll never be used by any movie studios. Also, having an extra 20GB is useless is you don't have the bandwidth to make use of it for an average film (HD DVD does not).
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With the recent news of the Japanese HD DVD firmware updates which allow
HD DVD players to accept HD DVD-R media is great news.

Most argue that Blu-Ray discs can't fit on a HD DVD30 but with the TL51 you could easily burn and play it on your HD player.

Some will also argue that BD+ is uncrackable but it's only a matter of time until it gets cracked and distributed all over the net.

comments?

I had heard that the Blu Ray code had been cracked??

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While nothing is un-crackable, BD+ is pretty hardened.

The idea behind BD+ is that if you crack disc 1, disc 2 is still protected because the protection scheme can be changed.

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

As for TL-51, there is no point. It won't work with any current players so it'll never be used by any movie studios. Also, having an extra 20GB is useless is you don't have the bandwidth to make use of it for an average film (HD DVD does not).


Where do you get this stuff?
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While nothing is un-crackable, BD+ is pretty hardened.

The idea behind BD+ is that if you crack disc 1, disc 2 is still protected because the protection scheme can be changed.

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

As for TL-51, there is no point. It won't work with any current players so it'll never be used by any movie studios. Also, having an extra 20GB is useless is you don't have the bandwidth to make use of it for an average film (HD DVD does not).

seriously where did you pull that out of
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As for TL-51, there is no point. It won't work with any current players so it'll never be used by any movie studios. Also, having an extra 20GB is useless is you don't have the bandwidth to make use of it for an average film (HD DVD does not).

Yawn..Propaganda line #23 from BR talking points.
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As for TL-51, there is no point. It won't work with any current players so it'll never be used by any movie studios. Also, having an extra 20GB is useless is you don't have the bandwidth to make use of it for an average film (HD DVD does not).

Of course you have evidence to support your statement...don't you?

I haven't seen anything about TL-51 not working on existing players, only that it was being tested. As a matter of fact I haven't even seen much about TL-45 which I was under the impression had out of the box support on all HD DVD players. Wish I had a link for that one too.

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Yawn..Propaganda line #23 from BR talking points.

Yeah, we know how anxious all of those studios are to use it, don't we.

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The BD+ titles ARE all over the internet for downloading!!! Anyone who tells you differently is a liar.

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While nothing is un-crackable, BD+ is pretty hardened.

The idea behind BD+ is that if you crack disc 1, disc 2 is still protected because the protection scheme can be changed.

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

As for TL-51, there is no point. It won't work with any current players so it'll never be used by any movie studios. Also, having an extra 20GB is useless is you don't have the bandwidth to make use of it for an average film (HD DVD does not).

Thats all it would take, is to crack it once. Then its all over the internet being downloaded. Sure the keys will change for every other disk to protect them but by that time the damage is already done!

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Do you think for 1/2 a second that if TL-51 worked on current players that:

a) It wouldn't be rushed to market to off-set the BD-50 perceived advantage.
b) Toshiba wouldn't be screaming from the rooftops that it was coming and was fully backwards compatible.

Factor in Warner and the 85/15 sales week and at this point, TL-51 is never coming. Not for movies, at least.

I'm sure a TL-51 disc is more expensive to make than the current 30GB format discs... so unless and until a movie actually needs that extra space, where's the rush? Most of the Blu ray discs don't yet touch their 50GB space, so it is something of a phantom advantage really. Yes, more space, but not necessary for the HD experience.

So I wouldn't expect any need to rush TL-51 out the door until they actually have a need for it... meanwhile, they can keep testing and tweaking and figuring ways to get the production costs down.

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TL is progressing nicely

Just enjoy HD in whatever form you can (Sat, Cable, D-VHS, OTA, HD DVD, or BD).
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MPEG LA Expands Call for HD DVD Patents

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In its continued response to marketplace interest in the creation of a joint HD DVD patent license including as much essential intellectual property as possible, MPEG LA, LLC today expanded its call for patents essential to the implementation of the HD DVD Standard to include the following specifications:

DVD Specifications for High Density Read-Only Disc (HD DVD-ROM) Part 1 Optional Specifications: Triple Layer Twin Format Disc; and
DVD Specifications for High Density Read-Only Disc (HD DVD-ROM) Part 1 Physical Specifications (51 Gbytes).

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It's funny how blu-ray camps claim that HD DVD players won't support TL51 yet their 75 gb or 100 gb disks will support blu-players just fine w/out any issues. LOL Lets first hope 1.1 and 2.0 work on their players first. Then worry about higher capacity disks.

Hmmmmm What to write?
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No sarcasm intented. Testing in progress for TL 51.....

Just enjoy HD in whatever form you can (Sat, Cable, D-VHS, OTA, HD DVD, or BD).
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No sarcasm intented. Testing in progress for TL 51.....

Tell them to hurry up and make an official announcement. They've been testing for a LOONG time now.

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The BD+ titles ARE all over the internet for downloading!!! Anyone who tells you differently is a liar.

Cheers,

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- No, not true.

It's not that BD+ has been cracked.

It's cos there is a way of capturing HDMI output (at the cost of a/v quality).

Until Cyberlink alter their software (which IIRC has just happened).

On topic -

I am far more excited by the Twin disc than the 51gb TL disc.
It'll be interesting to see how they go with each
(I'd like to see both appear and be a genuine available option which I can buy).
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Tell them to hurry up and make an official announcement. They've been testing for a LOONG time now.

It's DVD Forum, not BDA! You know, the one's that do when-released-it's-a-ready-product, not a half-a$$ed-whizz-bam-let's-see-how-it-goes-product
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While nothing is un-crackable, BD+ is pretty hardened.

The idea behind BD+ is that if you crack disc 1, disc 2 is still protected because the protection scheme can be changed.

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

As for TL-51, there is no point. It won't work with any current players so it'll never be used by any movie studios. Also, having an extra 20GB is useless is you don't have the bandwidth to make use of it for an average film (HD DVD does not).

You have no Idea what you are talking about. I and several others in this forum own Hybid japanimation disc that work in both DVD and HD-DVD players. They are only DL but they prove the concept and my players play them without problem. If the studios go with this; it will be game over for Blue(and I mean Blue)-Ray.HD-DVD/DVD Hybrid Discs Blue-Ray cannot legally make this type Hybrid

May HD be with you always

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