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post #1 of 38 Old 06-20-2008, 06:35 PM - Thread Starter
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Has any catalog HD title able to match this Blu-ray/HD DVD release from two years ago? Patton should have been the one to surpass this. Unfortunately stuff happens.

No I am not going to debate RED vs Yellow vs Orange colors used in the new transfer Been there done that After the bitter dissapoointment from Patton and The Longest Day I went and watch The Searchers again and do a comparison thread (I have been planning this for a long time). Its safe to say this is still on top of my list as far as excellent restoration work on a classic movie for HD. Robert A Harris wrote a an informative article talking about the process.

So is there anything to nitpick about it as far as the quality of the encode? Well of course They used VC-1 for this with a supposedly healthy bitrate of 23.25 mbps (based on the BDInfo of my Blu-ray copy identical with HD DVD). Artifacts and marcoblocking is there in some scenes. Look at post #3 the bows on her dress for example. A re-encode using the latest VC-1 or AVC tools will certainly reduce these issues. One more thing this title is one of the reasons I bought a projector back then. There is just no way to fully experience this movie in my HT in all of its Vista Vision picture look on a puny viewing set. To those with a 92" and bigger screens I think you know what I'm talking about
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One of my favorite discs on either format.

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i watched this movie in my theater arts class a couple weeks ago and just picked up the hd dvd a few days ago. i havent had the time to watch it again yet though. ill probably get around to it tomorrow. my professor had the remastered dvd and we watched movies in a lecture hall with amphitheater seating and a rear projection screen. it looked pretty good so i can just imagine how nice the hd dvd is gonna look.

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One of my All Time favorite John Wayne movies.
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And some folks here that post on AVS say they can't tell the difference between HD DVD, Blu-ray and regular DVD

These folks normally reside in the SD DVD area though.

The Searchers one of the films that really displays HD in my opinion.

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i watched this movie in my theater arts class a couple weeks ago and just picked up the hd dvd a few days ago. i havent had the time to watch it again yet though. ill probably get around to it tomorrow. my professor had the remastered dvd and we watched movies in a lecture hall with amphitheater seating and a rear projection screen. it looked pretty good so i can just imagine how nice the hd dvd is gonna look.


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Searchers looks great although my ultra critical eyes detect some slight EE going on around edges.
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Searchers looks great although my ultra critical eyes detect some slight EE going on around edges.

It was suggested in the Casablanca comparison that this could be an optical or photographic issue, and I wonder if that's not the case too. You see this kind of effect in a lot of older movies (particularly in scenes against clear skies), and it just doesn't make sense to do these virtually perfect restoration jobs only to add that one imperfection. Personally this type of edge glowing doesn't bother me one hundredth as much as harsh, electronic ringing anyway.
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Is it just me, or do there seem to be seemingly random black pixels in that last HD DVD shot? (looking particularly at the vegetation)
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This was the first title that REALLY blew my socks off. It's still one of the first that I grab off the shelf to show what HD really looks like. I had King Kong and others before this one but this was the one that opened my eyes to the classics. Good work Xylon.
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Is it just me, or do there seem to be seemingly random black pixels in that last HD DVD shot? (looking particularly at the vegetation)

You are right. There are weird black specks here and there:

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That scene has it. Its in the transfer. Go ahead pop in your BD or HD DVD copy and look for yourself
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Is it just me, or does this release seem to have some sort of dnr going on? Compared to the dvd it's a detail revelation, but some of the closeups appear mushy and nobody has pores. Anyone know what the deal is?
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Thanks for posting these pics, I'm actually watching The Searchers right now to remind myself how good classic large format films can look on HDM without DNR.
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Thank You for sharing. Those pics are amazing!
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Is it just me, or does this release seem to have some sort of dnr going on? Compared to the dvd it's a detail revelation, but some of the closeups appear mushy and nobody has pores. Anyone know what the deal is?

Yes. Very, very minor. Not distracting at all.
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Well I didn't say it was distracting, the disc's a beauty but sometimes it just feel sort of strange looking. I mean, I noticed this primarily in the grabs on dvdbeaver, and I'm slowly beginning to think they're using an idiotically high level of jpeg compression.
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interestingly enough, i watched a special on Discovery last night about Monument Valley (where all these westerns were filmed). I have had this DVD since it came out and, while it is critically one of the best John Wayne films made, i sure wished they would release more of the 1960s vintage like Hatari or Donovan's Reef.
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Well I didn't say it was distracting, the disc's a beauty but sometimes it just feel sort of strange looking. I mean, I noticed this primarily in the grabs on dvdbeaver, and I'm slowly beginning to think they're using an idiotically high level of jpeg compression.

Jpeg at a very highly compressed settings and its just a snapshot using a digital camera pointed at the viewing set.

Lossless PNG at 100% and using digital grabs is the best way.
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I'm waiting for this Blu-ray and Patton in the mail, both are blind purchases.
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Jpeg at a very highly compressed settings and its just a snapshot using a digital camera pointed at the viewing set.

Lossless PNG at 100% and using digital grabs is the best way.

I'm not talking about their old "faux hd" grabs from a digital camera, I'm talking about their comparison using digitally grabbed frames straight from the blu ray. Still, even though the Jpeg compression there seems awfully high, I still think they may have done some refocusing on poorly focused shots or something, because for example the first grab with the boy holding the wood seems mushy. More mushy than elsewhere in the same film.
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I'm not talking about their old "faux hd" grabs from a digital camera, I'm talking about their comparison using digitally grabbed frames straight from the blu ray. Still, even though the Jpeg compression there seems awfully high, I still think they may have done some refocusing on poorly focused shots or something, because for example the first grab with the boy holding the wood seems mushy. More mushy than elsewhere in the same film.

They need to use PNG at 100%. The jpegs they are using is adding extra artifacts on the pictures.
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The pq on this title is terrific but to me this film had some of the worst acting I have ever seen. I just don't get it's appeal.

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As many have already said, one of the most favorite titles, on both formats. The first time I saw it, I cried (no kidding!). Interestingly enough, a friend of mine has the French BD, and it does not look as good as my US HD DVD. The French BD has many color inconsistencies (like patches) and even some gross artefacting. I don't know if the quality difference is due to the format, or to the country difference. Has anyone any idea?
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