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Old 07-16-2009, 10:46 PM - Thread Starter
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"set merit" was checked for both but changing it to "prefer" had no effect. Still extreme pixellation.
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"set merit" was checked for both but changing it to "prefer" had no effect. Still extreme pixellation.

Just for sh!ts and giggles, go to the tutorial I posted, and use the programs that are linked, follow it to the point where you have a .m2ts.

You should have Avisynth, you do have ffdshow, and Haali so...

1. Extract HD DVD with AnyDVD HD

2. Use EVODmuxer to trancode the .EVO into .MPA, and .MPV

3. Open TSMuxer to turn the .MPA and .MPV into a .m2ts

4. Then open the resulting .m2ts in TSMuxer and check the Tracks just to make sure it is correct, should have the video, audio, and maybe some subs tracks. At this time I would remove any extra audio tracks, and subs if you don't need them, and remux a pure .m2ts with nothing but the audio/video. Also, if it's a HD audio track, I'd use eac3to to strip it to the core 5.1 (unless you have the facilities to playback HD audio.
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Hmmm... I tried that first with the smalest EVO and it didn't work. I'll try it again with this larger combined EVO.

EVOdemuxer is running now. However, it is not transcoding to .mpa and .mpv but, rather:

eagles.LPCM.stream.00.ddp
eagles.DTSHD.stream.01.ddp
eagles.VC-1.stream.0.vc1

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txMuxing to .m2ts now using .vc1 and the DTS .ddp (it couldn't handle the PCM .ddp).
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FYI: here is the EVOdeMux output:

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Opening file eagles.evo
Reading...
File size: 25763 Mbytes.
VOB number 1 contains 1 video and 2 audio streams.
PTM of first video frame = 00000D8F
PTM of last video frame = 34E9B859
Duration = 2:44:23.654
VC-1 video stream 0 found!
First PTS = 00000D8F
Substream id = 55
Profile = Advanced
Level = 3
Chroma Format = 4:2:0
Size = 1920x1080
Display size = 1920x1080
Aspect ratio = 1:1 (square samples)
Frame Rate = 23.976 (24000/1001)
DTS HD (DTS) audio stream 1 found!
First PTS = 00000D8F
Substream id = 89
PCM core samples = 32
PCM sample blocks = 16
Primary frame byte size = 2011
Channel arrangement = C + L + R + Ls + Rs
Sampling frequency = 48 kHz
Transmission bitrate = 1536 kbit/s
LFE channel = present (IF:64)
Encoder software rev. = 7, Current
Source PCM resolution = 24 bits
LPCM audio stream 0 found!
First PTS = 00000D8F
Substream id = A0
Number of frame headers = 9
First acces unit pointer = 0006
Emphasis = off, mute = off
Frame number = 1
Quantization length = 16 bits
Sampling frequency = 48 kHz
Number of audio channels = 2
Done.

3708 counted frames (0:02:34.654) in video stream 0.
236491 calculated frames in video stream 0.

HVA00001.VTI not found
Creating P:\\videos\\eagles.VC-1.stream.0.vc1
Creating P:\\videos\\eagles.LPCM.stream.00.ddp
Creating P:\\videos\\eagles.DTSHD.stream.01.ddp
Opening file eagles.evo
File size: 25763 Mbytes.
Demuxing eagles.evo
Cancelled.
Done.

236491 calculated frames in video stream 0.
Checking new version...
You are using the latest version of EVOdemux.exe.

Creating P:\\videos\\eagles.VC-1.stream.0.vc1
Creating P:\\videos\\eagles.LPCM.stream.00.ddp
Creating P:\\videos\\eagles.DTSHD.stream.01.ddp
Opening file eagles.evo
File size: 25763 Mbytes.
Demuxing eagles.evo
Done.

295666 counted frames (3:25:31.736) in video stream 0.
236491 calculated frames in video stream 0.

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Weird. Does that Eagles have a DVD side? ro is it a pure HD DVD?
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Pure HD-DVD. I have the DVD set too but it is broken up into two discs.

tsMuxer 30.3% done ... waiting ...

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MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --vbr --vbv-len=500
V_MS/VFW/WVC1, "P:\\Videos\\eagles.VC-1.stream.0.vc1", fps=29.970
A_DTS, "P:\\Videos\\eagles.DTSHD.stream.01.ddp"

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SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.10.6 http://www.smlabs.net
VC-1 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=29.97
Decoding VC-1 stream (track 1): Profile: Advanced@3 Resolution: 1920:1080i Frame rate: 29.97
Decoding DTS-HD stream (track 2): Bitrate: 1536Kbps core + MLP data.Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 5.1 (DTS Master Audio)

FYI: if this Eagles concert was available in Blu-Ray ... we would not be having this discussion...
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Again, Windows 7 sounds like trial and error troubleshooting. It will likely create more support issues than it solves. Why not just say "buy a new computer, HDTV, and home theater system and see if that does the trick"?

Note earlier in this post the fact that the toshiba drive already works for me and I've already ripped some of my HD-DVDs to ISO ... so the drive is irrelevant.

The drive is relevant because many of us are using the LG combo, and experiencing flawless HD-DVD playback after a simple install and patch.

Blu-ray: 50+
HD-DVD: 23
DVD: 600+ and lost count
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Old 07-17-2009, 10:57 AM - Thread Starter
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DONE!

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SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.10.6 http://www.smlabs.net
VC-1 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=29.97
Decoding VC-1 stream (track 1): Profile: Advanced@3 Resolution: 1920:1080i Frame rate: 29.97
Decoding DTS-HD stream (track 2): Bitrate: 1536Kbps core + MLP data.Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 5.1 (DTS Master Audio)
Processed 295631 video frames
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 65 min 11 sec

No improvement ... extreme pixellation! Here's a pic of my second favorite Eagle's song, "New Kid In Town". That's Don Henley on drums second from the left...

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I'd have to have a copy of this to try some things, apparently there's something different going on in this disc, or your system than what I am used to. I've not once had a failure using the method I posted.
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The drive is relevant because many of us are using the LG combo, and experiencing flawless HD-DVD playback after a simple install and patch.

No offense but that is simply "silly" on several counts:

* I'm seeing the exact same behavior whether I'm using the HD-DVD in the drive or whether I'm using the ISO ripped by AnyDVDHD

* I've conclusively proven that my system can play the audio from this HD-DVD and it's respective ISO flawlessly

* I've proven conclusively that my system can play the HD video from this HD-DVD and it's respective ISO flawlessly

* I've proven conclusively that my system is cabable of playing HD content ... yes, audio and video simultaneously ... from Blu-Ray discs and ISOs

* Even if you're right, I politely asked anyone suspecting hardware issues to pipe down until we've explorered all software issues
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DONE!



No improvement ... extreme pixellation! Here's a pic of my second favorite Eagle's song, "New Kid In Town". That's Don Henley on drums second from the left...


I know you're frustrated. But I do appreciate this humor. Very funny. Very droll. Even if you didn't intend it to be.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:19 AM - Thread Starter
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I'd have to have a copy of this to try some things, apparently there's something different going on in this disc, or your system than what I am used to. I've not once had a failure using the method I posted.

I'm sure it's my software configuration. The .m2ts we made today will not play in PDVD7.3 unlike the one we made yesterday which played in beautiful HD ... without audio.
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Do you have Anisynth installed?
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Ladies and Gentlemen, the real Don Henley:



Brought to you silently by PDVD7.3 via eagles.m2ts made yesterday.

Why can PDVD7.3 see the video and not the audio for eagles.m2ts?

Why can TMCHT see the audio and not the video for eagles.m2ts?
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:34 AM - Thread Starter
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I have installed over 20 programs in an attempt to see this concert in HD. Hopefully, AviSynth be the last one.

Where do I get it?

How do I use it?
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This is funny. My optimal solution is to find a way to get PDVD7.3 to play sound. So googled "Powerdvd m2ts no sound".

My top result mentioned the KLite Codec Pack which I skeptically installed. Sure enough, it did not fix the PowerDVD audio problem.

Why is this funny? For S&G, I tried MPCHT. Remember, MPCHT had the opposite problem ... no video. After installing KLite to solve the audio problem in PDVD, I inadvertently solved the video problem in MPCHT ... EVERYTHING PLAYS !!! There is a slight audio sync but I can fix that with tsMuxer.

Strange.
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This is getting ridiculous. Provided your hardware can handle it, you should need nothing else but a recent version of MPC-HC to play back the demuxed content. One thing you could try is to demux the disc into elementary streams to exclude any muxing problems. Try this:

eac3to 3: eagles.mkv 5: eagles.flac

If you want the best possible audio quality, make sure that you have TMT2 installed, so eac3to can use its superior DTS-HD codec. The resulting Matroska file will only contain the video. Now make sure that all the internal filters of MPC-HC are activated and open the MKV with it (it should find the FLAC file containing the audio automatically since the basename is the same). You should now get video and audio.
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Nice try ...

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P:\\Videos\\eac3to>eac3to p:\\videos\\eagles.evo 3: eagles.mkv 5: eagles.flac
EVO, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 2:44:24
1: VC-1, 1080i60 /1.001 (16:9)
2: RAW/PCM, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
3: DTS Master Audio, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB)
This audio conversion is not supported.

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Nice try ...

You know, I think you would get a lot more help if you were a bit less snippy and instead paid more attention to what the people trying to help you are saying. I wrote you should use your list of the original EVOs from the HD-DVD. Your "eagles.evo" is obviously already remuxed and has different stream numbers. Either you go back to the original files, or you use yours and change the streams in the eac3to command to 1 and 3 instead of 3 and 5.
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If I can dish it out, I certainly can take it ... Well put!

However, I got that wonderful sound again...

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P:\\Videos\\eac3to>eac3to L:\\HVDVD_TS\\CONCERT_PT1_1.EVO+L:\\HVDVD_TS\\CONCERT_PT1_2.
EVO+ L:\\HVDVD_TS\\CONCERT_PT2.EVO 3: eagles.mkv 5: eagles.flac
EVO, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 1:39:08
1: Joined EVO file
2: VC-1, 1080i60 /1.001 (16:9)
3: RAW/PCM, English, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
4: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB)
This audio conversion is not supported.

OK, there was an extraneous space in the command right before that 3rd EVO, I removed it an it's working now...

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P:\\Videos\\eac3to>eac3to L:\\HVDVD_TS\\CONCERT_PT1_1.EVO+L:\\HVDVD_TS\\CONCERT_PT1_2.
EVO+L:\\HVDVD_TS\\CONCERT_PT2.EVO 3: eagles.mkv 5: eagles.flac
EVO, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 2:44:24
"SongVideo"
1: Joined EVO file
2: Chapters, 29 chapters with names
3: VC-1, 1080i60 /1.001 (16:9)
4: RAW/PCM, English, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
5: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB)
a05 The ArcSoft and Sonic decoders don't seem to work, will use libav instead.
a05 The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information.
v03 Extracting video track number 3...
a05 Extracting audio track number 5...
a05 Extracting DTS core...
v03 Muxing video to Matroska...
a05 Removing DTS dialog normalization...
a05 Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
a05 Remapping channels...
a05 Reducing depth from 64 to 24 bits...
a05 Encoding FLAC with libFlac...
a05 Creating file "eagles.flac"...
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P:\\Videos\\eac3to>eac3to L:\\HVDVD_TS\\CONCERT_PT1_1.EVO+L:\\HVDVD_TS\\CONCERT_PT1_2.
EVO+L:\\HVDVD_TS\\CONCERT_PT2.EVO 3: eagles.mkv 5: eagles.flac
EVO, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 2:44:24
"SongVideo"
1: Joined EVO file
2: Chapters, 29 chapters with names
3: VC-1, 1080i60 /1.001 (16:9)
4: RAW/PCM, English, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
5: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB)
a05 The ArcSoft and Sonic decoders don't seem to work, will use libav instead.
a05 The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information.
v03 Extracting video track number 3...
a05 Extracting audio track number 5...
a05 Extracting DTS core...
v03 Muxing video to Matroska...
a05 Removing DTS dialog normalization...
a05 Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
a05 Remapping channels...
a05 Reducing depth from 64 to 24 bits...
a05 Encoding FLAC with libFlac...
a05 Creating file "eagles.flac"...
a05 Clipping detected, a 2nd pass will be necessary.
a05 Original audio track: max 32 bits, average 29 bits, most common 28 bits.
a05 The processed audio track has a constant bit depth of 24 bits.
a05 Audio has a gap of 273ms at playtime 1:39:08.
a05 The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information.
a05 Starting 2nd pass...
a05 Extracting audio track number 5...
a05 Extracting DTS core...
a05 Removing DTS dialog normalization...
a05 Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
a05 Remapping channels...
a05 Reducing depth from 64 to 24 bits...
a05 Encoding FLAC with libFlac...
a05 Realizing RAW/PCM gaps...
a05 Creating file "eagles.flac"...
a05 The processed audio track has a constant bit depth of 24 bits.
Added fps value to MKV header.
Video track 3 contains 295631 frames.
eac3to processing took 1 hour, 53 minutes.
Done.

The .flac file plays audio nicely in WimAmp. Sounds great.

The .mkv "plays" sharp HD Video in MPCHT. Unexpectedly, the audio is also there! Is that correct?

That audio though seems way out of sync. This might sound weird but the video seems to be progressing slower than the audio. I think it is getting more and more out of sync the longer I play through the concert. Sounds like a framerate issue?

FYI: MPCHT is really sluggish and I have very little control of the play bar in terms of play/pause/forward, etc... When I was finally able to move the slider, the audio disappeared. Again, this is probably due to the what I hope is a framerate issue but I will wait for your analysis while I go see Cirque Du Soliel in Newark!
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No offense but that is simply "silly" on several counts:

* I'm seeing the exact same behavior whether I'm using the HD-DVD in the drive or whether I'm using the ISO ripped by AnyDVDHD

* I've conclusively proven that my system can play the audio from this HD-DVD and it's respective ISO flawlessly

* I've proven conclusively that my system can play the HD video from this HD-DVD and it's respective ISO flawlessly

* I've proven conclusively that my system is cabable of playing HD content ... yes, audio and video simultaneously ... from Blu-Ray discs and ISOs

* Even if you're right, I politely asked anyone suspecting hardware issues to pipe down until we've explorered all software issues

The post wasn't silly; it was a good faith attempt to help from someone experienced in Blu-ray and HD-DVD playback who has seen that not all hardware and software is compatible with this purpose.

That being said, I wish you luck and leave you be.

Blu-ray: 50+
HD-DVD: 23
DVD: 600+ and lost count
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I've played and played around with various settings but I can't seem to make a video that plays without an av sync issue. I can't tell if the issue is an av sync issue or a framerate issue. When I play the video, it appears as if it's going the right speed but the audio is about 30 to 60 seconds behind.

We're very close to solving this. Does any of this sound familiar to anyone?
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Ahah! The video is definately going slower than the audio.

First of all, how can I verify that the demuxing went as expected?

Secondly, how can I mux all this properly?
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I have similar problem that Cyberlink Version 7.3 with patch won't play HD-DVD, but will play BlueRay flawlessely. I will try some of the process described in this thread to convert 7 HD-DVD I got from Amazon to other format, and stop wasting my time to get HD-DVD work with the Cyberlink.
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You may not get much help here as the stock answer seems to be "upgrade hardware" despite the fact that your Blu-Rays play flawlessly like mine.

You see, "upgrade hardware" works 100% of the time. Why mess with a good thing, right?
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I've tried using several different software packages without any real luck.

Hardware setup is: Phenom II 720, Radeon 4850x2, 4 gigs RAM, RealTek onboard audio, xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on.

PowerDVD 7.3 was able to play all of my HD-DVD flicks but had a very bad audio sync problem that I could not find a way to fix (bad lip syncing).

I downloaded the trial version of Total Media Theater 3 and it will recognize that an HD-DVD was inserted but it gives no audio or video playback. It just shows a black screen with small artifacts, no option I tried would fix this.

My other option is try out winDVD 9 plus blu-ray. I have heard generally negative comments about this software but if it works at all it may be my only option outside of Nero 8 with showtime plug-in.

Could anyone provide feedback on the efficacy of these programs or possible solutions to the above problems? It's a shame to have such solid HTPC hardware but not be able to find software that works.

(Note: the 360 HD-DVD works without a hitch when hooked up to the 360 directly, but I have an old Pro model with no HDMI so I can't get 1080p out of it).
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The .flac file plays audio nicely in WimAmp. Sounds great.

The .mkv "plays" sharp HD Video in MPCHT. Unexpectedly, the audio is also there! Is that correct?

That audio though seems way out of sync. This might sound weird but the video seems to be progressing slower than the audio. I think it is getting more and more out of sync the longer I play through the concert. Sounds like a framerate issue?

FYI: MPCHT is really sluggish and I have very little control of the play bar in terms of play/pause/forward, etc... When I was finally able to move the slider, the audio disappeared. Again, this is probably due to the what I hope is a framerate issue but I will wait for your analysis while I go see Cirque Du Soliel in Newark!

Check into the log file for a mention of a delay. You can use that to resync your audio. You can check the "hd to mkv..." thread in the hd software section. It's a tutorial on how to use eac3to and has a lot of info that can be applied to your case.
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