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I got my XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on last week, which included the HD DVD movie King Kong. I was going to watch it last night and it seems to be in 2.35:1 format (standard DVD format with black bars above and below the picture). I had expected it to be in the standard 16:9 HD format. Is that the case with a lot of these HD DVD's that one can buy these days? If so, I'm disappointed.
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2.35:1 is the aspect ratio King Kong was filmed in. In other words: what the director intended for you to see.
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Wow, you've been a member since 2001 and you've only now realized that some movies are going to be in 2.35:1 format?
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Yes many HDDVDs are 2:35.1 although some are 1:85.1 .
You always want OAR. King kong was shown in 2.35.
If it were 16:9 (1:78.1) you'd lose some of the picture as they'd have to crop out the sides of the film..
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you need to read up on "original aspect ratio" at digital bits

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If so, I'm disappointed.

you shouldn't be

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you need to read up on "original aspect ratio" at digital bits

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No kidding. Its amazing how many people think there should be no black bars on movies. They have no idea about aspect ratio. Oh well, time to go back to 4:3 tv.
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Not all movies are the same ratio (the same width) MKA. Some movies are wider than the standard HD TV 16:9 ratio, because that is the way they were filmed. In order to fit them on your widescreen TV they still need to put in black bars if you want to get the whole picture.

Please Keep in Mind: These black bars are a heck of a lot smaller than they'd be on a standard 1:33 (square) TV set. You are seeing a lot more of the picture than you would with the foolscreen version (fullscreen ).
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I got my XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on last week, which included the HD DVD movie King Kong. I was going to watch it last night and it seems to be in 2.35:1 format (standard DVD format with black bars above and below the picture). I had expected it to be in the standard 16:9 HD format. Is that the case with a lot of these HD DVD's that one can buy these days? If so, I'm disappointed.


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I got my XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on last week, which included the HD DVD movie King Kong. I was going to watch it last night and it seems to be in 2.35:1 format (standard DVD format with black bars above and below the picture). I had expected it to be in the standard 16:9 HD format. Is that the case with a lot of these HD DVD's that one can buy these days? If so, I'm disappointed.


And folks expect Joe Six to embrace HD optical formats. Joe wants to zoom zoom zoom zoom his PQ!!! I want my screen filled dammit!!!!

And Citizen Kane is in Black and White!!!! I have all these colors available on my TV and I get B&W??? If this is true I am greatly disappointed.

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I got my XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on last week, which included the HD DVD movie King Kong. I was going to watch it last night and it seems to be in 2.35:1 format (standard DVD format with black bars above and below the picture). I had expected it to be in the standard 16:9 HD format. Is that the case with a lot of these HD DVD's that one can buy these days? If so, I'm disappointed.



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This disappointment you feel now is nothing compared to what would happen if that movie had been released in 16X9.

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Cool it guys. I know all about aspect ratio. It's just that I always thought of real HD as being made in 16:9 format and so when people talked about HD movies my first reaction was that that's how one would get them. This was the first HD DVD movie I saw for myself. I am no movie producer and I never tried to analyze the precise details of how they were produced in the studios - their format, resolution, etc.. I see 16:9 format HD movies on cable, so how was I to know what they did or did not do there. A simple statement clarifying my confusion would have been adequate. When I said that I was disappointed I simply meant that since I have a 16:9 screen I PREFER to have a picture that fills this screen. Wouldn't you?

I've been waiting for HD to develop for over 15 years. The first time that I saw an HD film was around 1990 at a SIGGRAPH conference (SIGGRAPH for those of you who don't know is the special interest group in graphics of the Association for Computing Machinery). I was blown away with the picture then, but unfortunately it took forever to get to where it is now. It is the high resolution of the picture that makes it great and not the relative dimensions of my 100" screen. (On the other hand, it would be nice if all pictures had the same aspect ratio format so that there would be no need for black bars.) I'm enjoying all the high definition material that I can get. In fact, I bought a Sony hi def camcorder last year so that I can film my travels in high def 16:9 format.
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As you state, the only way to get them to fill the entire TV is if every movie developed from now on would be filmed in the same aspect ratio. That "would" solve the issue. But I don't ever see that happening. I thought HD movies on TV were all zoomed/cropped to fill the 16:9 aspect ratio?
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When I said that I was disappointed I simply meant that since I have a 16:9 screen I PREFER to have a picture that fills this screen. Wouldn't you?

No.

I prefer to have the movie in it's original aspect ratio it was filmed it. Not having part of the picture cut off like you like.
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When I said that I was disappointed I simply meant that since I have a 16:9 screen I PREFER to have a picture that fills this screen. Wouldn't you?

Nope. OAR all the way, thank you.
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Cool it guys. I know all about aspect ratio.

Clearly, you do not.


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I PREFER to have a picture that fills this screen. Wouldn't you?

Um, nope. Don't think so.
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This has nothing to do with HD. Even the regular King Kong DVD would show the black bars on a widescreen TV, as well as tons of regular DVDs. Have you never watched a regular DVD before on your widescreen TV and seen the black bars?


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Clearly, you do not.




Um, nope. Don't think so.

Im sure he knows what OAR is after being a member since 2001. He likes what he likes. Many people are like that.
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Most likely all images will be cropped some what. Sure i would rather see a letter boxed 2.40 image uncropped on a 16x9 tv. But i would prefer to see it on a display that would use all of its resolution to present the image uncropped. i guess the only solution would be to have multiple displays to accommodate each aspect ratio.

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I am no movie producer and I never tried to analyze the precise details of how they were produced in the studios - their format, resolution, etc..

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I simply meant that since I have a 16:9 screen I PREFER to have a picture that fills this screen. Wouldn't you?

To answer your question real quick....No.....I prefer Scope format 2.40:1 movies and indeed i love the width on Ben Hur which is 2.75:1.....wider is better....at least thats my opinion for what it's worth.

I'm not a fan of Super35 either.

Anyways original aspect ratio everytime....be it 4:3....16:9....0r 21:9 or wider....don't care if it's black or white or color but just give me it the way it was released at cinema's or on television if it's a tv programme.
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I PREFER to have a picture that fills this screen. Wouldn't you?

I prefer to see the movie the way it was intended to be seen, the same ratio as it was released in. Thats' why I love my 120" screen so much.


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it would be nice if all pictures had the same aspect ratio format so that there would be no need for black bars.


absolutely! if only all movies were 16x9 ratio from the start we wouldn't have the black bar problem.
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Saying "I dont prefer the picture to be filled" is equivalent to saying "I'd rather my picture be smaller".

I think its time those of you disagreeing with that statement start downgrading your tv sizes, since you prefer less surface area in your video displays.

Before you jump all over me saying "No no no! I meant I want to keep the original aspect ratio". Its obvious that that was your point. My point is, its obvious that the OP's statement was regarding picture surface area... not altering aspect ratios.

Many of you seem very quick to jump all over his case without logicly taking the time to understand what his point was.
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Saying "I dont prefer the picture to be filled" is equivalent to saying "I'd rather my picture be smaller".

I think its time those of you disagreeing with that statement start downgrading your tv sizes, since you prefer less surface area in your video displays.

Before you jump all over me saying "No no no! I meant I want to keep the original aspect ratio". Its obvious that that was your point. My point is, its obvious that the OP's statement was regarding picture surface area... not altering aspect ratios.

Many of you seem very quick to jump all over his case without logicly taking the time to understand what his point was.

This seems almost a post about those that have and have nots as far as FP. I want the Pic to fill my 70" JVC Pro. I certainly can afford FP but refuse to watch in total darkness. I like to see what I am eating and my Honey beside me.

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Saying "I dont prefer the picture to be filled" is equivalent to saying "I'd rather my picture be smaller".

I think its time those of you disagreeing with that statement start downgrading your tv sizes, since you prefer less surface area in your video displays.

That's not how i read his quote even if he intended it that way.....i don't care about black bars as my screen size is 106inches....i suggest the opposite to what you have said....if you can't stand black bars on your television display then buy a projector and go really bigscreen and the black bars will really become much less of an issue.
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