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View Poll Results: How many disc playback issues have you had with HD DVD?
0 -- None 84 44.21%
1 39 20.53%
2-4 44 23.16%
5-7 11 5.79%
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This is a public poll for HD DVD owners only. How many major issues have you had with HD DVD playback? For those who have had a problem, please let us know the number of movies you've viewed and what the problem was, as well as what you had done to rectify any issue.

Note: Slow load up time should not be considered a playback issue, nor should the failure to update a player to the latest 2.x firmware to playback movies that require it. A disc that could not be played with the latest 2.x firmware or that froze part way through viewing, or had excessive stuttering is an issue.

Please indicate in the thread what player you are using (For example, Toshiba first gen A1/XA1, second gen A2/XA2, XBox 360 HD DVD add-on, or other).

Mine is other: HD DVD add-on being used with an HTPC.

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A1 - lost count!
A2 - so far, None!
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HD DVD add-on;

None since 11/19/06!

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A1 - lost count!
A2 - so far, None!

Good point. It is the voter's discretion whether or not to choose "None" if they've upgraded from an A1 to an A2 and have not had any issues whatsoever with the A2.

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Good point. It is the voter's discretion whether or not to choose "None" if they've upgraded from an A1 to an A2 and have not had any issues whatsoever with the A2.

If a voter fails to list issues with the HD-A1, wouldn't that make this poll invalid as the HD-A1 is the most commonly used HD-DVD Player?

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I have 4 Discs that would not work at all and 4 other discs which take an eternity to load. They were from Universal, Warner Brothers and Weinstein. I use an HD-A1 and an Xbox 360 Add-on.

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never a disc error, but once, my A1 read 'no disc'. After re-ejecting and re-inserting, it was fine. I installed 2.0 via a disc from Toshiba
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HD-A1 owner. I had two discs that have had error codes. One of the two wouldn't play at all. I've had about six different movies that suffered from skipping or lip sync issues, but didn't include those in the poll, since I think it's a hardware issue. I also didn't include the Wolf Creek issue of taking a long time to load, since it did eventually play. I own about 50 titles (including those that I have recently sold). I've rented another 6 movies at one time or another.

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I own about 95 HD-DVDs, probably watched 55 or 60 so far, all on my A1. Plenty of stuttering and freeze-ups so far, but what're ya gonna do?

Updating FW hasn't helped any, that I can tell. Kind of a finicky player.
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HD-A1 owner. I had two discs that have had error codes. One of the two wouldn't play at all. I've had about six different movies that suffered from skipping or lip sync issues, but didn't include those in the poll, since I think it's a hardware issue. I also didn't include the Wolf Creek issue of taking a long time to load, since it did eventually play. I own about 50 titles (including those that I have recently sold). I've rented another 6 movies at one time or another.

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Ron,

This poll says, "Disc Playback Issues." I do not think it is limited to software only.(OP Correct me if that is you intention only). Since Hardware is part of the playback process, your Hardware issues should be included in this poll.

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I have 4 Discs that would not work at all and 4 other discs which take an eternity to load. They were from Universal, Warner Brothers and Weinstein. I use an HD-A1 and an Xbox 360 Add-on.

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If you had four discs that would not load then there could have been something wrong with your player. Did you try those four discs in another HD DVD player?

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If you had four discs that would not load then there could have been something wrong with your player. Did you try those four discs in another HD DVD player?

Yes, I tried them in both the HD-A1 and the Xbox 360 Add-on.

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Ron,

This poll says, "Disc Playback Issues." I do not think it is limited to software only.(OP Correct me if that is you intention only). Since Hardware is part of the playback process, your Hardware issues should be included in this poll.

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This poll is for disc playback issues only. If the player has the latest 2.x firmware but it still "finicky" I would consider it a playback issue, but again it is at the discretion of the voter. I would not, however, include hardware issues such as an HDMI handshake issue since the problem could be on the display side, or a player that was dropped or otherwise died and needed to be sent back in to Toshiba for replacement or repair.

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WOW! The Current Results of this Poll are Suprising to me. As of 2:30 p.m. (MST) it looks like around 72% of people are having playback issues with HD-DVD. That is higher then I expected.

What does HD-DVD need to do to improve?

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I am shocked at these results.

Let's start another poll just for A2's
If we do not like the results, we can start another one after that
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WOW! The Current Results of this Poll are Suprising to me. As of 2:30 p.m. (MST) it looks like around 72% of people are having playback issues with HD-DVD. That is higher then I expected.

What does HD-DVD need to do to improve?

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What are you smoking dude, and put down that barrel of spiked Java. Wait a week until more results are posted. It's only been 45 minutes since the poll went up, you sound overly anxious to try and cast HD DVD in the worst light you possibly can. Need I remind you of the Blu-Ray issues that have been posted and discussed just for the month of December alone?

* Speed refusing to work in many Samsung players
* Descent not working in some Sony or Pioneer players
* Issues with Good Night and Good Luck
* Lip-sync problems with Christmas Vacation
* Talladega Nights not playing in a Panasonic
* Kung Fu Hustle not playing in a PS3
* Legends of Jazz not playing in a PS3
* Issues with getting League of Extraordinary Gentlemen to play properly

As I've said before, there will be the occasional disc playback problem with HD DVD from time to time as well as Blu-Ray. I've even had a disc problem a couple months ago on a standard DVD when it refused to play in my HTPC. If you want to say that HD DVD has major issues and needs to improve, then you also need to acknowledge that Blu-Ray has it's share of major issues and needs to improve as well, perhaps even more so than HD DVD, considering how consumers are choosing HD DVD over Blu-Ray (see link in signature below).

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What are you smoking dude, and put down that barrel of spiked Java. Wait a week until more results are posted. It's only been a couple of hours since the poll went up, you sound overly anxious to try and cast HD DVD in the worst light you possibly can. Need I remind you of the Blu-Ray issues that have been posted and discussed just for the month of December alone?

* Speed refusing to work in many Samsung players
* Descent not working in some Sony or Pioneer players
* Issues with Good Night and Good Luck
* Lip-sync problems with Christmas Vacation
* Talladega Nights not playing in a Panasonic
* Kung Fu Hustle not playing in a PS3
* Legends of Jazz not playing in a PS3
* Issues with getting League of Extraordinary Gentlemen to play properly

As I've said before, there will be the occasional disc problem with HD DVD from time to time as well as Blu-Ray. I've even had a disc problem a couple months ago on a standard DVD when it refused to play in my HTPC. If you want to say that HD DVD has major issues and needs to improve, then you also need to acknowledge that Blu-Ray has it's share of major issues and needs to improve as well, perhaps even more so than HD DVD, considering how consumers are choosing HD DVD over Blu-Ray (see link in signature below).

Yeah, I am still surprised by these numbers for HD-DVD. 72% is quite a high percentage. I wouldn't label it as, "occasional." To me that is fequent.

Bigger question though: What does HD-DVD need to do to improve its QC?

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Yeah, I am still surprised by these numbers for HD-DVD. 72% is quite a high percentage. I would label it as, "occasional." To me that is fequent.

Bigger question though: What does HD-DVD need to do to improve its QC?

~Josh

It is not frequent when someone has dozens of discs and experiences no issues at all, and you have a few discs and seem to have problems with most of them. That is indicative of a finicky player (or, let's be real, dishonesty on your part, but you'll receive the benefit of the doubt). And what does HD DVD have to do? They've already released the second generation HD-A2 and HD-XA2 that fixes many of the issues that folks have had with the A1, and have released many firmware revisions for the A1 and XA1. The real question is, what does Blu-Ray need to do to fix the issues that many folks are having on the Blu-Ray side (see above)? Once this poll is over in 12 days I will post another poll just for the HD-A2 and HD-XA2 owners, and you will definitely see a marked improvement. It will show you exactly what HD DVD is doing to improve since the issue is not relegated solely to the discs themselves, but in large part to the first generation of players that were brought to market. HD DVD is definitely on the right track.

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It is not frequent when someone has dozens of discs and experiences no issues at all, and you have a few discs and seem to have problems with most of them. That is indicative of a finicky player (or, let's be real, dishonesty on your part, but you'll receive the benefit of the doubt). And what does HD DVD have to do? They've already released the second generation HD-A2 and HD-XA2 that fixes many of the issues have folks have had with the A1, and have released many firmware revisions for the A1 and XA1. The real question is, what does Blu-Ray need to do to fix the issues that many folks are having on the Blu-Ray side (see above)? Once this poll is over in 12 days I will post another poll just for the HD-A2 and HD-XA2 owners, and you will definitely see a marked improvement. It will show you exactly what HD DVD is doing to improve since the issue is not relegated solely to the discs themselves, but in large part to the first generation of players that were brought to market.

I thought this poll had nothing to do with the hardware, only software. To clarify, 4 out of 23 of my HD-DVD discs have not played. That does not justify saying, "most," of my discs have failed. It is however a higher percentage then what I deem acceptable.

The issues seem to be mainly software now as the HD-A2 does seem to be an improvement over the HD-A1.

What does HD-DVD need to do to improve their software? J6P will get frustrated if it does not improve.

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Yeah, I am still surprised by these numbers for HD-DVD. 72% is quite a high percentage. I wouldn't label it as, "occasional." To me that is fequent.

Bigger question though: What does HD-DVD need to do to improve its QC?

~Josh

A better statistic so far that is much more revealing is that 59% have had ONE problem or less. Your "statistic" is obviously slanted and intended to berate HD-DVD in favor of BluRay since it includes people who have had only ONE problem, which is hardly a serious criticism of a relatively new tech.

Btw, I have an XBOX 360 w/add-on, and playback for me has been flawless.
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No issues, save for a major hit on my bank account.

Toshiba HD-A1, FW 2.0.
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Make that 64.7%
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I thought this poll had nothing to do with the hardware, only software. To clarify, 4 out of 23 of my HD-DVD discs have not played. That does not justify saying, "most," of my discs have failed. It is however a higher percentage then what I deem acceptable.

The issues seem to be mainly software now as the HD-A2 does seem to be an improvement over the HD-A1.

What does HD-DVD need to do to improve their software? J6P will get frustrated if it does not improve.

~Josh

Software requires hardware in order to play properly.

So, by your own admission, you've only had problems with 17% of your discs. That's a far cry from the 72% figure you're trying to throw out. My issue rate is 0% thus far, so between the two of us that's 8.5% on average, lol.

By your own admission you state that the HD-A2 "does seem to be an improvement over the HD-A1", therefore any issue would likely have been relegated to the player, not the software per se. And as for J6P, he hasn't even purchased any high-definition media for the most part. We are all early adopters, and it is the early adopters that experience the bulk of any technical issue(s). By the time J6P jumps on the wagon, there will already be second and even third generation devices available, and HD DVD is already there with it's second gen players.

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Software requires hardware in order to play properly.

So, by your own admission, you've only had problems with 17% of your discs. That's a far cry from the 72% figure you're trying to throw out. My issue rate is 0% thus far, so between the two of us that's 8.5% on average, lol.

By your own admission you state that the HD-A2 "does seem to be an improvement over the HD-A1", therefore any issue would likely have been relegated to the player, not the software per se. And as for J6P, he hasn't even purchased any high-definition media for the most part. We are all early adopters, and it is the early adopters that experience the bulk of any technical issue(s). By the time J6P jumps on the wagon, there will already be second and even third generation devices available, and HD DVD is already there with it's second gen players.


I have been lucky to have experienced a failure rate of 17%. That still is much too high in my book. Seeing the large picture that the failure rate is 72% is drastically too high. It really does not look good for the current state of HD-DVD.

Yes, the HD-A2 is an improvement over the HD-A1, but then again, what isn't? lol Lets face it, the HD-A1 isn't the greatest of CE devices.

Look, if people are not willing to admit that HD-DVD has a QC issue right now, then nothing will ever get fixed. These numbers don't lie. Far too many people are experiencing technical issues with HD-DVD. We need to stop turning our heads and pretending this format is perfect. If we have that attitude, HD-DVD is sure to fail.

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WOW! The Current Results of this Poll are Suprising to me. As of 2:30 p.m. (MST) it looks like around 72% of people are having playback issues with HD-DVD. That is higher then I expected.

What does HD-DVD need to do to improve?

~Josh

This poll should make you happy...since every thread you started was intended to commit conflict. I'm watching you focker.

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I have been lucky to have experienced a failure rate of 17%. That still is much too high in my book. Seeing the large picture that the failure rate is 72% is drastically too high. It really does not look good for the current state of HD-DVD.

Why are you still using that 72% statistic? Even that biased and inaccurate statistic is dropping as we speak.
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This poll should make you happy...since every thread you started was intended to commit conflict. I'm watching you focker.

If by conflict, you mean, "raise questions." I see too many people blindly lead along by a few believing their format is best with no problems whatsoever.

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I have been lucky to have experienced a failure rate of 17%. That still is much too high in my book. Seeing the large picture that the failure rate is 72% is drastically too high. It really does not look good for the current state of HD-DVD.

The failure rate is not 72%. Interesting spin on the numbers, though.

You've been trolling around here for the past few days/weeks, spreading FUD and starting threads to trash HD DVD. It's clear that your goal is to get rid of HD DVD, not help it in any way (you've said as much in your little petition.)

There are two whole threads dedicated to promoting Blu-Ray (and trashing HD DVD). Would like links to them?

Here and here.

Everyone can see through your act. There's no need to pull another "Who? Me? What did I do?" Your intentions are clear.

Please use those links and be amongst those who feel the same way you do. Alternatively, just lay off the constant digs. It's really getting old.
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Why are you still using that 72% statistic? Even that biased and inaccurate statistic is dropping as we speak.

Because he wants HD DVD to die...he has been totally Rayed.

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