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I don't know just how much of a vested interest Microsoft has with HD-DVD, but to go in with Toshiba and pay Warner money for 300 on HD-DVD over Blu-ray would be a play to win move. A next step further move would be to make 300 an HD-DVD release only by also leaving out the DVD format. At the time of the release I would have a $400.00 or $300.00 player ready to go.

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Microsoft has money.
Toshiba is not in the hole like Sony is, and has been.
HD-DVD and Blu-ray are next-gen formats Just like the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are, thus making it a next-gen release. (Halo 3 360 only no xbox)( Metal Gear Solid 4 PS3 only no PS2)
Sony for a while had paid Take Two for the Grand Theft Auto series, and EA has paid the NFL for NFL only football games.

I know HD-DVD only may be to hard to do, but DVD and HD-DVD only would be I think very possible.
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Ain't gonna happ'n cap'n. 300 is a movie that will appeal to gamers and even though there is no current proof that gamers are big movie buyers, 300 is the kind of movie that can change that.
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I'd settle for us simply getting 300 Athenians...er Spartans a couple of months early.
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300 will sell far more copies on Blu-ray than HD DVD. Why would Warner do that?

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300 will sell far more copies on Blu-ray than HD DVD. Why would Warner do that?

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300 will sell far more copies on Blu-ray than HD DVD. Why would Warner do that?

comes out...the stupidity of you people amaze me...It's about the money not about the format. Repeat after me, I am Warner I want to sell lot's of copies of this movie, so let's just ignore hundreds of thousands movie buyers. Again, the stupidity of posts on this forum amaze me...
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comes out...the stupidity of you people amaze me...It's about the money not about the format. Repeat after me, I am Warner I want to sell lot's of copies of this movie, so let's just ignore hundreds of thousands movie buyers. Again, the stupidity of posts on this forum amaze me...

What the hell are you talking about? I'm not saying Warner should release 300 only on Blu-ray. I'm responding to the original post saying that Microsoft and Toshiba should just bribe Warner. Learn to read, Jack!

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I'm not sure 300 will look as spectacular was we might think. There seemed to be a substantial amount of deliberately placed grain throughout the entire movie.
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I'm not sure 300 will look as spectacular was we might think. There seemed to be a substantial amount of deliberately placed grain throughout the entire movie.

Key word being deliberately.

I for one liked the effects used on the movie. Much as I like when Ridley Scott did 'grain' in Black Hawk Down.
It's director's intent - much like OAR. I want to see the movie as the Director intends it to be seen - with the good and the bad (both being subjective IMO).

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That would never happen because MS has no real stake in the format war, they just support HD DVD to pee in Sony's cornflakes and slow down the PS3. Toshiba would have to pony up ABSURD amounts of money for Warner to make 300 HD DVD exlusive while holding out on SD DVD version which will outsell both HD formats combined by a mile. And even if Toshiba would try to do that, BDA would easily outbid them with their combined $$$.
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That would never happen because MS has no real stake in the format war, they just support HD DVD to pee in Sony's cornflakes and slow down the PS3. Toshiba would have to pony up ABSURD amounts of money for Warner to make 300 HD DVD exlusive while holding out on SD DVD version which will outsell both HD formats combined by a mile. And even if Toshiba would try to do that, BDA would easily outbid them with their combined $$$.

yeah that would turn ugly VERY fast!

Sony and group sees Toshiba and group trying to buy 300 movie rights and then Sony just pays them even more and BAM what turned out to be a good thing just got blown up in our face...
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I'm not sure 300 will look as spectacular was we might think. There seemed to be a substantial amount of deliberately placed grain throughout the entire movie.

Spectacular to me is a faithful representation of the gorgeous film I saw in theaters. And thank god high def can deliver that.

The last thing I want is for it to be filtered down to hell and back.
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comes out...the stupidity of you people amaze me...It's about the money not about the format. Repeat after me, I am Warner I want to sell lot's of copies of this movie, so let's just ignore hundreds of thousands movie buyers. Again, the stupidity of posts on this forum amaze me...

Relax man. It was a suggestion. The only person who comes across stupid in this post is you for getting emotionally involved with a suggestion....
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Sony and group sees Toshiba and group trying to buy 300 movie rights and then Sony just pays them even more and BAM what turned out to be a good thing just got blown up in our face...

exactly. and when Sony or Toshiba has to pay extra for the rights, who do they pass the cost on to?
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I don't know just how much of a vested interest Microsoft has with HD-DVD, but to go in with Toshiba and pay Warner money for 300 on HD-DVD over Blu-ray would be a play to win move. A next step further move would be to make 300 an HD-DVD release only by also leaving out the DVD format. At the time of the release I would have a $400.00 or $300.00 player ready to go.

Things to consider:
Microsoft has money.
Toshiba is not in the hole like Sony is, and has been.
HD-DVD and Blu-ray are next-gen formats Just like the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are, thus making it a next-gen release. (Halo 3 360 only no xbox)( Metal Gear Solid 4 PS3 only no PS2)
Sony for a while had paid Take Two for the Grand Theft Auto series, and EA has paid the NFL for NFL only football games.

I know HD-DVD only may be to hard to do, but DVD and HD-DVD only would be I think very possible.


Not sure about paying off Warner, but all you need is an in-movie experience HDi feature and would likely be HD-DVD exclusive for some time ahead. Unless, BD-J is fixed and finds a way to apply the interactive feature on all the 1st gen BD players. Hm..... Maybe not.... Warner still hasn't release Harry Potter or Matrix on HD-DVD in the US market because of BD-J still not working, and leading to HD-DVD being held back. Oh well... I guess MS has to pay Warner.
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The real question here is whether HD DVD will still be around when 300 is released.
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The real question here is whether HD DVD will still be around when 300 is released.

Toshiba HD-A2 ranked #186 on March 11th at Amazon

Samsung BD-P1000 ranked #604 on March 11th at Amazon

Why is 300 being delayed until 2009?
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I don't know just how much of a vested interest Microsoft has with HD-DVD, but to go in with Toshiba and pay Warner money for 300 on HD-DVD over Blu-ray would be a play to win move. A next step further move would be to make 300 an HD-DVD release only by also leaving out the DVD format. At the time of the release I would have a $400.00 or $300.00 player ready to go.

Things to consider:
Microsoft has money.
Toshiba is not in the hole like Sony is, and has been.
HD-DVD and Blu-ray are next-gen formats Just like the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are, thus making it a next-gen release. (Halo 3 360 only no xbox)( Metal Gear Solid 4 PS3 only no PS2)
Sony for a while had paid Take Two for the Grand Theft Auto series, and EA has paid the NFL for NFL only football games.

I know HD-DVD only may be to hard to do, but DVD and HD-DVD only would be I think very possible.

It's an interesting idea at least. In the video game industry exclusives and exclusive windows are paid for on big games. Could that happen for high def movies?

One could argue that format exclusivity of movie studios has already been paid for so the notion of "bribery" has already occurred.

The issue is as someone already mentioned MS will not likely feel they have anywhere near the stake in hd-dvd that they have in console video games although a runaway success for blu-ray with a corresonding failure of hd-dvd would not be helpful to MS in the video game console war.

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why would they do that when they could make just as much releasing it on both formats?

Do you honestly think that the amount of money Microsoft/Toshiba would bay Warner would exceed the amount of profit they would make selling the BRD?

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Well I don't think they would, since warner wants to release at the same time. Yet if you look at the warner france announcement dvdtimes , it shows 300 in September with IME and HD DVD only. If its correct and does come with IME, I don't see why it wouldn't be the same here. So either it would be one of their first Blu-ray titles with interactive, or it would be an HD DVD only title. Only warner know the answer to that.

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... A next step further move would be to make 300 an HD-DVD release only by also leaving out the DVD format. At the time of the release I would have a $400.00 or $300.00 player ready to go.

Your player would be roughly $250 too expensive and the HD-DVD movie will generate peanuts for revenue. By not releasing the film in SD DVD, you are effectively not releasing the film at all. It's much more fun to release the film on regular DVD and make money.
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why would they do that when they could make just as much releasing it on both formats?

Do you honestly think that the amount of money Microsoft/Toshiba would bay Warner would exceed the amount of profit they would make selling the BRD?


Well in a simple world it would seem that every studio would sell on both formats so as to sell a movie to as many consumers as possible. In the real world we already know that other interests supercede this and lead to exclusivity.

In console land some exclusive titles can sell better than many multiplatform titles. Again none of this likely to happen in this scenario though since the vested interest is not likely there to support it.

Sony is the unusual case that drives this war though because they have the vested interest as a studio owner, format owner, CE device owner and console owner etc. all rolled up in one. So it can make sense to spend a lot money getting exclusivity for a format in their case. No other companies appear to fit that model though.

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Why do some people think that "grain" is anathema to HD formats?

The point of HD is to render the work in a more faithful manner than lower "D" formats. Not to remove what may have originally been there.
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TotalHD, unless they can it by then.
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300 will sell far more copies on Blu-ray than HD DVD. Why would Warner do that?

I see you're still doing damage control work and spinning for the BDA.
What the heck are you doing in an HD DVD thread starting a BR praise party?
I post this crap in the BR forum, and I'd probably get suspended again.

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I'm going to be glad when they release it on both. Though I consider myself on the HD-DVD side, Warner consistantly does Combo disks which cost more money. I'll buy the Blu-Ray disk if it is.

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I think movie companies are going to end up releasing their BIG releases on both formats. This formatt squabble won't end for a while. Even though HD-DVD is behind in a market that's very imature, it doesn't matter. At this rate, both sides are going to try to convince teh consumer that their HD/BDs are better than their SDs when most people only own a SD at best. I look for 300 and blockbusters on that scale to get released in all three formatts with the SD-DVDs outselling their hi def counter parts 100:1, as usual.
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On a similar note if Toshiba and MS are paying don't just stop with BD, if you are getting an exclusive window, get 300 before DVD as well. Even a week or two to drum up a marketing buzz would be worth a few bucks.

Obviously total exclusivity is unreasonable, but a negotiated few month jump is possible with the right term$...
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On a similar note if Toshiba and MS are paying don't just stop with BD, if you are getting an exclusive window, get 300 before DVD as well. Even a week or two to drum up a marketing buzz would be worth a few bucks.

Obviously total exclusivity is unreasonable, but a negotiated few month jump is possible with the right term$...

I agree

I think the only way HD DVD and BR will become main stream is if they get a one month jump on new DVD releases. If the studios do not do this they may never get out of niche status.
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I think movie companies are going to end up releasing their BIG releases on both formats. This formatt squabble won't end for a while. Even though HD-DVD is behind in a market that's very imature, it doesn't matter. At this rate, both sides are going to try to convince teh consumer that their HD/BDs are better than their SDs when most people only own a SD at best. I look for 300 and blockbusters on that scale to get released in all three formatts with the SD-DVDs outselling their hi def counter parts 100:1, as usual.


The irony.

Back when HD DVD had 2:1 or greater sales lead, it was, "HD DVD has such a sales lead it is impossible for BD to ever catch up!" Now, though, when BD has the 2:1 advantage and has beaten the "Since Inception" numbers, it's, "Well, the two formats are so immature, it doesn't matter who's 'winning'"

Heh. Spin, spin, spin!

WB's will release 300 on all three disc formats (DVD, HD DVD, and Blu-ray). They'll probably try to combo it or TotalHDisaster it, charge us all 5-10 bucks more than a Fox BD and everyone will be SO happy to be buying two HD formats instead of 1.

Personally, I hope this one makes it out before TotalHDisaster arrives.
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