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In a move that could be key to determining the future of home cinema, European antitrust regulators are stepping up their probe into possible anticompetitive practices in the format war over high-definition DVDs.[...]

[...]The European Commission, the European Union's executive body, appears to be particularly interested in the activities of the Blu-ray group because of its dominance in Hollywood, according to people familiar with the situation. The commission is investigating whether improper tactics were used to suppress competition and persuade the studios to back their format.[...]

[...]The European Commission launched a broad inquiry into the competing formats a year ago. The commission said at the time that it had sent a letter to Blu-ray and HD to request information about their licensing practices. However, the commission's recent letter to the studios signals a shift in focus to the studios and possibly Blu-ray specifically.[...]

Source: Wall St. Journal
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Does anyone think that that will really make any difference?

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since it's in the wall street journal you actually might see there stock take a slight hit. but one may never know, i think they will find something but who knows it took awhile but they made microsoft change there os for europe.
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And HD DVD supporters...
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And HD DVD supporters...

But the focus is on Blu-ray:

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[...]possibly Blu-ray specifically[...]

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Does anyone think that that will really make any difference?

They changed the way that Msoft does buisness by slapping them with a huge fine. If anything they could make all of BD movies released in Europe available in HD DVD. This is definitley bad for Blu-ray.
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They changed the way that Msoft does buisness by slapping them with a huge fine. If anything they could make all of BD movies released in Europe available in HD DVD. This is definitley bad for Blu-ray.

No, "they" can not. This is like suggesting that the EU can force all xbox360 games to be released on Wii and PS3...
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This is likely a non event. Regardless of what the commission concludes, anything they would like to enforce could take years of legal battling back and forth.

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No, "they" can not. This is like suggesting that the EU can force all xbox360 games to be released on Wii and PS3...

If that's a legal argument, then I have no idea if that is a fair comparison or not.

If you are arguing on a technical basis, then it's wrong. It is very easy to convert a movie from Blu-Ray to HD DVD and vice-versa. It would be MUCH more work to port a game from xbox 360 to PS3 (and vice-versa).

Don't forget that Blu-ray and HD DVD support the same video codecs, the only issues would be converting the menus and re-encoding a 50GB Blu-Ray release to fit on a 30GB HD DVD.

I agree though that the EC wouldn't have the authority to force studios to support a given format. The worst that would happen for Blu-ray is to pay some fines.
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I think the only thing that the EC can do is to fine Blu-ray supporters and/or prohibit anything respectively.
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You are right. The "worst" thing that could happen is that the BDA has to pay some fines for "bad bussiness practises".

But just about all "big" companies like MS and Sony are pretty much used to these threats
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You are right. The "worst" thing that could happen is that the BDA has to pay some fines for "bad bussiness practises".

But just about all "big" companies like MS and Sony are pretty much used to these threats

MS didn't just pay a fine, they had to change the OS to fit the expectations of the EC. I think the Internet Explorer was the main concern.
I think paying a fine won't do it for BDA, they certainly have to change something.

But forcing Blu-ray supporters to release HD DVDs is ridiciolus, as if the EC would tell Porsche also to sell the 911 with diesel engines.
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They had to make it a option to remove anything microsoft, besides the OS so people could uninstall ie, mediaplayer, outlook express etc. so they could use competing software without making it bloated.
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If the BDA was found to engage in illegal activities by the regulatory agency in the EU and if they find that studios accepted illegal payments from the BDA, they could fashion a remedy whereby the BDA would pay a hefty fine and the participating studios forced to carry HD also. While it may not be likely, it is possible.
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Clearly there's something illegal going on when Panasonic is rumored to be throwing hissy fits because Samsung decided to go neutral.

If the EC has balls it'll tell the BDA that it's not interested in allowing their dirty politics. With half a billion people the BDA will have to comply. The mere fact that theres an ongoing investigation means that the BDA is going to have to play things straight. Muahahahhahahhahah
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Why is it up to the EU to clean up the mess caused by American studios? Or Asian consumer electronics companies? Go Europe! You kicked MS when the US backed off, you can stick up for consumers again now.
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Doesn't this thread belong in the BD software forum?
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Doesn't this thread belong in the BD software forum?

It belongs to both since both sides are under investigations.
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Clearly there's something illegal going on when Panasonic is rumored to be throwing hissy fits because Samsung decided to go neutral.

If the EC has balls it'll tell the BDA that it's not interested in allowing their dirty politics. With half a billion people the BDA will have to comply. The mere fact that theres an ongoing investigation means that the BDA is going to have to play things straight. Muahahahhahahhahah


This is not new.

Since September last year there has been a lot of investigations and obviously, Sony is under more pressure.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/...iness/sony.php
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This is not new.

Since September last year there has been a lot of investigations and obviously, Sony is under more pressure.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/...iness/sony.php

The article said it already:

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The news is the focus on Blu-ray supporter's tactics.
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Don't forget that Blu-ray and HD DVD support the same video codecs, the only issues would be converting the menus and re-encoding a 50GB Blu-Ray release to fit on a 30GB HD DVD.

That's simple: just switch from MPEG2 to VC-1 or AVC, and from LPCM to TrueHD or DTS-HD MA.
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