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Rusty James's Avatar Rusty James
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Came across this one today during my lunch break in NYC and couldn't resist picking it up. Took it home for a quick spin to check out the sound. The TrueHD track is pretty awesome, but to my ears, the 6.1 DTS-ES track blows it away.

Transfer is razor sharp, although people who can't stand grain are going to complain. No extras on the disc whatsoever, not even a menu page. The disc jumps right into the movie when you load it, and the menu selections that come up look very primitive, as if the disc had been pressed a while back.

Gotta get back to work now!
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And you managed to do all of this during your lunch break... amazing.
Thanks for the heads up.
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Thought it doesn't get released until Oct. 2
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2 weeks ahead of street?
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2 weeks ahead of street?

Not too unusual. There are lots of little shops in NYC that ignore street date.
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...must be nice...
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I know that my copy shipped out today so it wouldn't suprise me if he did get it this early. I could care less about the grain this one is probably one of my most anticipated films.
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I know that my copy shipped out today so it wouldn't suprise me if he did get it this early. I could care less about the grain this one is probably one of my most anticipated films.

same here.
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How did the DTS track "blow away" the TrueHD?
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Mine shipped today.

Looking forward to this one.
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How did the DTS track "blow away" the TrueHD?

Heavy bass enhancement perhaps?
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How did the DTS track "blow away" the TrueHD?

Lack of Dialnorm maybe???
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Thought it doesn't get released until Oct. 2

Indeed. I am from NYC and I know a store in Hell's Kitchen that sold discs weeks ahead of time. As soon as they got them in the store, they wouldn't put them on the shelf but if you asked, you could get it. Making friends with the owner helped.
Sure I paid a bit more a few times but I remember the thrill of getting a beloved title weeks early.


clear31's Avatar clear31
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could i possibly get a pm by any chance of these nyc stores? i am in nyc and would make the trip for some titles


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I live in the city, I would love to know myself, PM or post if possible. Thanks!!!
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DTS 6.1 ES is a matrixed track not discreet - at what 768 Mbps? Come on now. Blows the TrueHD track away?
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Couple of still photos would be nice?
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DTS 6.1 ES is a matrixed track not discreet - at what 768 Mbps? Come on now. Blows the TrueHD track away?

I believe it. The 1.5Mbps DD+ track on The Bourne Identity HD-DVD pales in comparison to the DTS track on the collector's edition DVD.
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I call shenanigans on the DVD bitrate DTS being better than DD+ at 1.5 much less TruHD!

+1 for dialnorm or bass enhancement or even just volume level differences being why ya'll think DTS is "better" than high def lossless and lossy encodes!

Having said that, I used to be a heavy pro DTS guy on DVD, but thats cause in the early days the DD encodes were horrific, with obvious artifacting.. DTS WAS better. Some later DD on DVD encodes are actually pretty good, on par with DTS perceivable quality-wise. But DD+ at either 640 or 1.5 and TruHD blow away DVD DTS. DTS Core on HD formats maybe closer... if only that it has more bits to play with. But it's still out of date.
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Any comments on the framing? I heard that they had messed with the framing on the last release....opened up the mattes maybe? Can't remember exactly.
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could i possibly get a pm by any chance of these nyc stores? i am in nyc and would make the trip for some titles


Yes, same here!!
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No extras on the disc whatsoever, not even a menu page.

Sad.

Didn't realize that Paramount wanted to explore Superbit territory.



Not even going to waste the $16 to pick up a movie that I've bought 3 times already.
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DTS 6.1 ES is a matrixed track not discreet - at what 768 Mbps? Come on now. Blows the TrueHD track away?

Paramount uses 1.5 Mbps encodes for both their DD+ and DTS tracks. Things may have changed in this case, given that they went the route of lossless (Universal now smartly encodes DD+ at a lowly 448 kbps whenever they include a TrueHD track).

But yes, the TrueHD track should sound better or at least generally be of the same perceived quality. This TrueHD track was confirmed by an insider as having a 24-bit bit-depth, so we can be rest assured that there is no discrepancy in resolution.

Audio quality is highly subjective, however, and some people may actually prefer lossy sound signatures and equate them to providing a "better sound".
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+3.

I work in Midtown......... 15 min walk. Please PM me 2
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+3.

I work in Midtown......... 15 min walk. Please PM me 2

You guys really need to get with it. They've been doing this for years.

Be prepared to pay SRP for any disc you want to get 2-3 weeks early.

It's not worth it. I would get the "big" releases (godfather, indiana jones, star wars, etc) on DVD when it mattered.

If you've got money to burn, have at it. Otherwise, save the dough and put it towards another disc or two.
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Gotta get this one went from LD to DVD no HD-DVD
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I got my copy today as well. Here is a mini-review:

Top Gun
PQ - 3.75/5
AQ - 4.25/5
Special Features - 0/5
Overall - 4/5

Comments: Overall this is an improvement over the DVD of this film. The PQ was sharp and colors vibrant. I did notice the occasional blip of EE and film debris. The SQ of this release was very nice. I listened using the TrueHD option. It made excellent use of the Surrounds and LFE. The Center Channel also produced the dialog in a clear and understandable manner. Also this release was free of Special Features it is still a nice improvement over its DVD counterpart.





~Josh
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Originally Posted by Rusty James View Post

Came across this one today during my lunch break in NYC and couldn't resist picking it up. Took it home for a quick spin to check out the sound. The TrueHD track is pretty awesome, but to my ears, the 6.1 DTS-ES track blows it away.

Transfer is razor sharp, although people who can't stand grain are going to complain. No extras on the disc whatsoever, not even a menu page. The disc jumps right into the movie when you load it, and the menu selections that come up look very primitive, as if the disc had been pressed a while back.

Gotta get back to work now!

That has been my impression as well, that DTS-HD is a very powerful sound, especially for action movies.
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Paramount uses 1.5 Mbps encodes for both their DD+ and DTS tracks. Things may have changed in this case, given that they went the route of lossless (Universal now smartly encodes DD+ at a lowly 448 kbps whenever they include a TrueHD track).

But yes, the TrueHD track should sound better or at least generally be of the same perceived quality. This TrueHD track was confirmed by an insider as having a 24-bit bit-depth, so we can be rest assured that there is no discrepancy in resolution.

Audio quality is highly subjective, however, and some people may actually prefer lossy sound signatures and equate them to providing a "better sound".

I think the better question might be:

Why is the True HD track in 5.1 when the DTS track is in 6.1?
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Why is the True HD track in 5.1 when the DTS track is in 6.1?

Perhaps because the theatrical release was 5.1, and the DTS (matrixed) 6.1 soundtrack is an aftermarket creation for home video.

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