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The reports of low LFE are concerning giving the other glowing reports. One poster who had low LFE bought another HD-DVD copy and the LFE was intact while being absent on his first copy. Another member who had the low LFE on the HD-DVD got a copy of the SD-DVD and it was a night and day difference as the LFE was there on the SD-DVD and was noticable right away while being absent on the HD-DVD. There could be some bad discs going around and it would be good to get the disc numbers from people who are having problems with LFE as well as those who are not to see if we can isolate this to certain discs. I believe the disc number is on the rim of the disc.

What is your Transformers HD-DVD disc number and is your LFE good or noticably weak?
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I'm very skeptical that different lot numbers have variations in audio track but I guess anything is possible.
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I'm very skeptical that different lot numbers have variations in audio track but I guess anything is possible.

It has happened in the past with certain DVD's, so you never know. The fact that one poster had 2 different copies of the Transformers HD-DVD and one had noticably better LFE than the other is concerning and would support this theory.

It cant hurt for people to post the disc numbers and if they are having issues or not.
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Disc # 13128

LFE: excellant (except at the beginning, when the huge shockwave goes off, it seems like there should be a lot bass there, but there isnt. Probably the sound design though)

I'd also like to note, that I think the volume is set way too low. The problem with this is that I have to crank it up a lot, and during quieter scenes, I get very annoying buzzing coming through my speakers, because the volume on my reciever is so high.
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I do not know what disc I have I'll check but I just watched it. If it's lacking bass I'd hate to hear one that is not.

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I didn't read any reviews on Transformers prior to watching. When I watched it, I was impressed by the bass. So, I'd say LFE is intact on my disc.

The disc number is 13128.
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How do you check the disc number?
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my disc # is also 13128 but i had little bass. had to turn it way up.

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Disc #13128

LFE: Excellant from beginning to end. No problems with volume's at any point either! I'm beginning to think that 99.999% of these so called problems with "combos" "Sync" and "Volumes" and the latest one is "downloading cookies" are being manufactured by certain people that don't like HD DVD! I dont have nearly as many movies as a lot of people here at AVS, But I do have 9 titles, of which 5 are combos. NOT one disk has giving me ANY problems period! I bought superman returns day one, plays perfect, 300.. the same. One thing I have noticed though, It's only the BIG hit or popular movies that have so called problems. I've never heard one complaint about the movie The Break Up combo! How is it that ONLY the Big movies have problems? Netflix? I've rented atleast 35 to 45 HD DVD's from them and again ... No Problems! Heroes HD DVD's, downloaded the cookies.. played great! Transformers.. the same! Sorry to rant about it but its starting to get on my nerves!

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Mine's either 13127 or 340460, those are the only 2 numbers I can find. The bass at times sounds ok, but at others sounds anemic (the blackout base attack at the beginning pales in comparison to what I saw at the theater.) It never really sounds like it should though. Kong sounds pretty much flawless using all of the same settings/equipment.
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I concurr. I remember the base attack at the theaters having tremendous bass during the shockwave. It was so low I started to check my system to make sure something was not wrong.
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Mine's either 13127 or 340460, those are the only 2 numbers I can find. The bass at times sounds ok, but at others sounds anemic (the blackout base attack at the beginning pales in comparison to what I saw at the theater.) It never really sounds like it should though. Kong sounds pretty much flawless using all of the same settings/equipment.

These are the type of reports I am talking about. If you can, try the SD-DVD and see if the blackout base attack LFE is noticably better, or if you can try another HD-DVD and see if you have different results.

For what it is worth, the poster who tried the SD-DVD after the low LFE HD-DVD reported that the blackout base attack was an entirely different experience on the SD version as it "shook his home windows". I am thinking there is a difference in discs as some are reporting insane LFE (which is what should be coming from this movie).
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I think the Blackout shockwave(the big one) at the beginning, might not sound like it has enough LFE. Because it is so reminiscent of that big shockwave at the beginning of LOTR(that thing has awesome bass)

at least tha's what I thought. same thing happend to me in the theater. you see it and you think there should be low bass a second later(kinda like the depth charges in AOTC)

everything else sounds appropriate. the little cannon flip. the foot steps. explosions. And my personal favorite-Starscream's turbines spooling as he's transforming, and then the explosion when he just rockets off.(that's so satisfying because of the way it pans too)

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OK, I give up! Where is the number?
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Cause is probably a simple one: O.E.
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The only number I found on my disc is 340461. Bass sounds great. There wasn't much during the shockwave people are referencing, but there were many instances of deep bass throughout the film. HD-A2->HDMI->Yamaha HTR-6090->Outlaw LFM-1 Plus
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i had to turn my meager sub (as-p400) down from 8 to 6-6.5 at times with the tx-sr705 @ -10 dB in a 25x15x12 room. 10" driver definitely producing 'feel' worthy lows. I can't imagine what would happen if i actually had a 'good' sub like a lot of people here.

no low LFE here

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'13128' under 'proof of purchase' above the barcode if that's whats being asked for.

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The number I looked at was above the UPC on the back of the box.
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I just watched it and thought the bass was lacking. I was disappointed with the soundtrack.
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131280 was my number as well. I had to crank up my sub over 5 decibels to get that solid bass feel back again, and even then the low frequences like the 2 shockwave scene's just weren't right.
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13127

I was very surprised at how weak the bass was.
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You guys need to check and make sure you DONT have dynamic range compression turned on. It cuts the epaks off the highs and lows and kills your LFE.....Other users who report sound problems with this disk have fixed it by setting dynamic range compression to "off"
If you recently updated your player, trust me, the settings were reset by that firmware update.
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I think you guys are onto something. Over in the SD movie forum they posted charts of Transformers bass and the bass is in the single digits. Sounds like there's a problem with the HD version or at least some of them.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...605496&page=15

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maybe the bass was so deep you people can't hear it?? Mine sounded fine to me. although the bass wasn't loud, it was deep enough to rattle things in my room. I'm using a 10inch HSU sub.
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I'm using four 15" AE IB15's in an IB sub powered by 2800 watts equalized by a behringer feedback destroyer and Audessey on my Onkyo 805 and the bass was nearly non-existent.

I stopped the movie to make sure that everything was set right and eventually used the "pure-audio" setting on the receiver.

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My LFE was so bad I came STRAIGHT here wondering if something was wrong.

I switched in Ridick (sp?) and it shook my house, same settings.

The whole thing was wonky IMHO - surround sound was lacking at times, voice was wack...

what the hell was with no DTS too?

I think I was getting a signal on par with -30 on my lfe channel - it was there and working...but a total joke.

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I've got 13128 as well, and it sounded fine to me. The front door was rattling. My roommates friend brought over a copy of the standard def version, and I just tested out both at the same volume at the Blackout attack. The SD sounded downright anemic by comparison. Probably has to do with my 360 add-on being set to DTS for HD DVD. I dunno. I turned up the SD version to a comparable volume, and didn't notice any extra bass to the sonic boom he lets out.

However, I did have to delete a 3MB cookie (or whatever) to get it to play. First time I watched it, it went fine. Wed. night it froze at the loading screen (the bars next to the word "loading", and the little flash going across the borders froze), so I had to turn it off and delete all the cookies. Now it did the same thing.
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This is interesting.
Anybody netflix it? We have ours in the queue.
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Hey there HockeyTownFan stop being so ignorant to the problems HDDVD has, noone is trying to spread bad press people come on here to talk about legit issues and with all the movies you claimed you have watched on your player you must have experienced at least one of them. I have experienced almost every single problem you can with HDDVD but I still love it, I just have to accept that until other companies besides Toshiba make players this is what I have to deal with...

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Toshiba HD XA2
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speakers: small
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I'm not saying that this is your problem, but you definitely want to have all of the speakers set to "large" in the XA2's settings when using HDMI. The speaker settings in the Toshiba HD DVD players that have multichannel analog output affect PCM output over HDMI as well. By setting the speakers to "small", bass management is being done in the player. Therefore, the player isn't sending a full-range signal to your AVR. This will result in weaker and incorrect bass that is not LFE. When connected via HDMI, using bass management and distance settings in the player is only useful if you are for some reason bypassing these settings in your AVR and need them used somewhere in the signal chain.

Once again, this shouldn't explain the Transformers issue, but this is important to consider if you want everything setup properly.
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