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Let me get this out of the way: Huge fan here of Pride and Prejudice. Lovely movie (can't wait to see Atonement, too).

However, after popping this HD DVD in, I'm really, really disappointed. My wife actually watched it first and called me to ask if it was supposed to be so grainy. I had no idea, but after watching it today, it really is pretty darn grainy. I know there's directorial intent (e.g. Black Hawk Down on Blu-ray), but this is a period piece. It should be lush! Full of glorious colours! Kenneth S. Brown over at HDDigest gave this 4.5/5 for video. I think it's a 3.5/5 at best.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/667/p...udice2005.html

Anyway, I just wanted to voice my disappointment in what should have been an astoundingly beautiful-looking movie.
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Second guessing the Artist, huh?

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Haha. Perhaps. I guess some movies you EXPECT to be grainy (war movies, gritty thrillers etc), but for a period piece, I envision it to be as perfect as the dialog of such a wondrous era.
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Interesting. I didn't find it at all that grainy. (Apollo 13, Top Gun and Debbie Does Dallas could fill half the hopper cars in Kansas.)

I found the PQ and the AQ to be excellent.

BTW, there are like at least 3 other threads on this movie.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=941855
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I also did not find it grainy and thought that the PQ was excellent, almost reference material. Don't know what to say but something must be wrong with the setup or the disc.

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Couldn't disagree more. I had this projected onto my 100" screen and it looked wonderful. It was like watching it again for the first time. Didn't notice any abundant grain, colors popped, it looked VERY film-like.
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Not grainy at all, almost a reference-quality HD-DVD in my view.
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I respectfully disagree with your comments. It's clearly a fairly grainy movie.
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I thought it was one of the best HD titles so far, picture-wise. Amazingly beautiful.
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You might want to check your display settings as I had a similar reaction when I 1st tried the hd dvd on my uncalibrated 37" 1080p LCD in both HD and also on my SD DVD copy. I thought the difference was not that impressive at 1st as it looked good but not as sharp as I expected.

After trying it later on my 70" JVC LCOS I had a totally different impression as all of the sharpness and beauty of the release came clear. This is really a great looking disk, with film grain yes but beautiful detail and colors. Play with display settings a bit perhaps.

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My display settings are excellent. There's just some inherent grain to the image. No question. I've seen it on my 4661 Samsung, and my friend's XBR4. As you say, there is some grain, and that's what bugs me. Some movies - no. This movie - yes.
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My display settings are excellent. There's just some inherent grain to the image. No question. I've seen it on my 4661 Samsung, and my friend's XBR4. As you say, there is some grain, and that's what bugs me. Some movies - no. This movie - yes.

What kind of player do you have, and what are your settings?
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I'm running a 360 addon via HDMI, and also a Toshiba A35 connected to an XBR4. For what it's worth, Transformers, King Kong etc look fantastic.
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A disc can be reference quality and still be grainy. Film has grain.

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A disc can be reference quality and still be grainy. Film has grain.

He won't believe us. Transformers has just as muchgrain as P&P, IMHO.

WilliamG, are you outputting at 1080p24 with settings on film or are you outputting at 1080i with settings on film for your video settings? (1080p60 has issues on everything but the Onkyo and XA2.)
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He won't believe us. Transformers has just as muchgrain as P&P, IMHO.

WilliamG, are you outputting at 1080p24 with settings on film or are you outputting at 1080i with settings on film for your video settings? (1080p60 has issues on everything but the Onkyo and XA2.)

Transformers does not have anywhere near as much grain, IMHO. I'm running 1080p60 on my 360 HD DVD addon, and 1080p/60 on the A35. And actually, 1080p/60 has issues on everything except the 360 HD DVD addon, since with the addon it doesn't go through a de-interlacing step (yes, including the XA2, which I returned for this problem).

I don't want to get into a big row about this, so if you guys are happy, great. I'll go away and be disappointed, though.
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A disc can be reference quality and still be grainy. Film has grain.

I mentioned this above. I agree with you. P&P shouldn't be one of those movies, though.
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I mentioned this above. I agree with you. P&P shouldn't be one of those movies, though.

How shouldn't it be one of those movies? Have you talked to the director and did he tell you he didn't want any grain in his film?

Have you had your display ISF calibrated? That would make a difference, IMO.
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How shouldn't it be one of those movies? Have you talked to the director and did he tell you he didn't want any grain in his film?

Have you had your display ISF calibrated? That would make a difference, IMO.

I should have my display ISF calibrated for one movie? Seems a bit drastic, don't you think?

But yes, perhaps the director wanted the grain in there. I disagree with him, then.
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Pride and Prejudice is the best looking Universal title since Hot Fuzz.
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I should have my display ISF calibrated for one movie? Seems a bit drastic, don't you think?

But yes, perhaps the director wanted the grain in there. I disagree with him, then.

Of course not, it's for all movies. It will even make the ones you love look even better.

Mine is ISF'd and I never noticed any abundant grain in P and P. I think that's why people don't understand, they just don't see it.
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Pride and Prejudice is the best looking Universal title since Hot Fuzz.

Hot Fuzz is a great-looking movie. Agreed 100%.
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Of course not, it's for all movies. It will even make the ones you love look even better.

Mine is ISF'd and I never noticed any abundant grain in P and P. I think that's why people don't understand, they just don't see it.

You're missing my point. I think every other movie I own (bar Traffic *barf*) looks just great. P&P is by NO means a bad-looking movie, but the grain there is just unpleasant.
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Disagree completely. Difference between film grain and video noise. This is natural film grain which Universal didn't apply artificial means to remove and thus soften the picture. Great looking picture with eye-popping colors.
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Disagree completely. Difference between film grain and video noise. This is natural film grain which Universal didn't apply artificial means to remove and thus soften the picture. Great looking picture with eye-popping colors.

Disagree completely. It's possible to have a very sharp picture with little film grain. Pirates movies on Blu-ray for example. And since you mention the natural film grain, it's clear that you notice it too. So, some of us are seeing it, whereas others just deny its existence.

Ah well.
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Disagree completely. It's possible to have a very sharp picture with little film grain. Pirates movies on Blu-ray for example. And since you mention the natural film grain, it's clear that you notice it too. So, some of us are seeing it, whereas others just deny its existence.

Ah well.


Put me in the I thought it had excellent pq camp. Watching it on a 106" screen at 11' viewing distance.
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I too have an XBR4 (52 inch) being fed 1080p24 by a Toshiba HD-A35 and I thought Pride and Prejiduce looked mostly excellent. I did notice one scene that exhibited a bit of grain when Lady Judy Dench visited their home at night (I forget the characters names ). Aside from that dark scene this movie was pretty much reference material.

Making the most out of what I got.
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i think it looks great
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Looks better than Hot Fuzz to me.

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Looks better than Hot Fuzz to me.

Now lets not get carried away here
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