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post #181 of 275 Old 01-10-2008, 07:07 AM
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So the German BRD has been confirmed to have botched black levels?
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I was amazed by the sound and pq of this move back on SD, but on HD...OMG, this amazing movie has just been a MUST own for everything, well it already was a must own but still. In HD is like WOW, the story is now just that much better

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So the German BRD has been confirmed to have botched black levels?

Well, I'd say all Pan's Labyrinth encoding have botched black levels so far. Black level in the German Blu-Ray is nicely deep but at the cost of a lot of shadow detail in dark scenes. Blacks in all other encodes are more grayish than black - but at least the shadow detail is there. I'm not happy with the black level in any of these encodings. That said, my overall preferred version currently is the UK Blu-Ray.
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I'm not happy with the black level in any of these encodings. That said, my overall preferred version currently is the UK Blu-Ray.

I suppose it is always possible to adjust black level during playback.

I wonder if it's possible to remux the best features from the UK Bluray and the USA version into an ultimate version. Of course it would only be useable in an HTPC environment.

The studios absolutely hate the idea of consumers reverse engineering their products, but if they insist on releasing sub-par regionalised combinations, what is a film enthusiast to do?

Someone will probably now tell me that PL is BD+.
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I wonder if it's possible to remux the best features from the UK Bluray and the USA version into an ultimate version.

Yes, it is...
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I find dubbing much more distracting than subtitles........the voice acting is almost always terrible, and I find my self thinking that over, and over again while watching the movie.....which can definitly take away from the experience.

Agreed, though I always find exceptions. I would find it too odd having cowboys in the U.S. speaking Italian.
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Yes, it is...

Would you care to elaborate?
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Would you care to elaborate?

It's not that difficult. Of course you need to decrypt the UK Blu-Ray and the US Blu-Ray first. Afterwards you can use "Haali Media Splitter -> Haali Matroska Muxer" (in GraphEdit) to mux the UK Blu-Ray video track to MKV. Then you can use "xport" to demux the DTS-HD MA track from the US Blu-Ray. Next you can convert that DTS-HD MA track to FLAC by using eac3to. Finally, you can drop the FLAC file and the MKV into mkvtoolnix and you'll get a MKV with best video and audio in it. There are only 2 problems with this approach:

(1) It costs some time and effort. But hopefully the tools will evolve over time to make this kind of thing easier.

(2) Currently DTS-HD MA decoding on the PC is limited to 5.1. So you'll lose the back surround channels. Hopefully some day we'll get a DTS-HD MA decoder with full 7.1 decoding support.
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It's not that difficult. Of course you need to decrypt the UK Blu-Ray and the US Blu-Ray first. Afterwards you can use "Haali Media Splitter -> Haali Matroska Muxer" (in GraphEdit) to mux the UK Blu-Ray video track to MKV. Then you can use "xport" to demux the DTS-HD MA track from the US Blu-Ray. Next you can convert that DTS-HD MA track to FLAC by using eac3to. Finally, you can drop the FLAC file and the MKV into mkvtoolnix and you'll get a MKV with best video and audio in it. There are only 2 problems with this approach:

(1) It costs some time and effort. But hopefully the tools will evolve over time to make this kind of thing easier.

(2) Currently DTS-HD MA decoding on the PC is limited to 5.1. So you'll lose the back surround channels. Hopefully some day we'll get a DTS-HD MA decoder with full 7.1 decoding support.

Thanks for that detailed explanation.

There would need to be some subtitle arrangement too as PL is in Spanish IIRC.

Is it not possible to recreate the USA BD structure, but substituting the UK video stream for the USA video stream in a remux (or does region coding considerations get in the way)?

Happy to take this discussion to another forum if necessary.
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So do we know what kind of encode the UK HD-DVD has? Does it have the French, UK Blu or the US encode? If it's the same as the UK Blu I might get that instead of the US disc.
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It's not the same as the U.K Blu-ray as the BD is said to have bit rates >= 30 Mbps.

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The US vs UK comparison with the girl kills me. The lack of detail on her face in the US version is a disgrace! I can't believe New Line decided to screw up one of my fav movies.

I hope you guys are letting them know. I'd love to see a redone transfer exchange disc like 5th element.

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Is it not possible to recreate the USA BD structure, but substituting the UK video stream for the USA video stream in a remux (or does region coding considerations get in the way)?

May be possible by using one of the Blu-Ray authoring applications like Sonic Scenarist. But I've never done that yet.
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May be possible by using one of the Blu-Ray authoring applications like Sonic Scenarist. But I've never done that yet.

Just realised a simple substitution won't work if the Bluray is split into multiple random m2ts files (as it more than likely is).

I think I'll stick with your mkv suggestion.
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The German version looks more saturated too. Color decoder error or fact?
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so i wonder if they created yet another encode for the uk hd-dvd

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It's not the same as the U.K Blu-ray as the BD is said to have bit rates >= 30 Mbps.

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well, finally just watched this movie. the pq did not amaze me. I was a little disapointed to be honest. I was not too happy about the blacks or the shadow detail. The sound, however, was freakin awesome. The imaging and the clarity was fantastic. Everything just sounded more realistic. In short, GIVE ME MORE DTS-MA!

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Wow the picture is great but the sound field is incredible. It was nice to see the DTS Master light up on the Onkyo 805.

The Web interface is nicely integrated into the movie. No silly password.

Newline I love your work. Come back to us.......

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Pans Labyrinth........top ten film of all time on my list
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I will buy the German version soon. I could also buy the UK-version but then again, I will probably want to watch it with the German dubbing since I don´t speak Spanish.

I wish, I had not seen these comparisons, now I´m going to obsess about the darkness of the image.

I´m from Austria so ignore bad spelling and grammar, please. :)
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Well, Im gonna dissent and say that this flick left me scratching my head and wondering what all the fuss was about. Lemme see....

There was like 10 minutes of fantasy stuff... where was the rest? Just like Bridge to Terabithia, the packaging and advertising had me thinking this would be totally different than it was. The B-grade horror movie violence was gratuitous and didnt add anything. It was actually silly. I mean....yeah, we get it, the general was mean. How much more heavy-handed can you get? They could have flashed a big sign on the screen that said "General is a bad guy" and it would been more subtle. I thought I was watching Hostel Part 3. Eli Roth has to be involved in this flick....no???

The story wasnt very original. It was like Chronicles of Narnia: The Torture Porn Edition. Kid meets a faun to escape bad war-time stuff. Kid has a few tasks to do. Stuff happens, etc, etc, etc.

Oh well, my loss I guess.... this just seemed like a fetish-enhanced torture fest.
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^^^ What general? You mean the mean captain's father?

I wonder what fairy tale films you do like. I thought this one was very well done and artistic. The music was haunting and the acting was low key & realistic.

Very sad and melancholy though -- as was the Spanish Civil War.
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Looking for some help on this disc. I got my parents an A3 for xmas as well as this disc. It's in DTS-MA. But their reciever is an older Denon with only Dolby Digital 5.1.

I kind of thought that every HD DVD & Blu-ray too would have a default Dolby track or at least a downmixed 2.0 track for those who don't have dts. This is how it was with SD-DVD. The only track is the Spanish DTS-MA audio one.

Is there a way to get some audio here without dts? Thanks for the help.
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Looking for some help on this disc. I got my parents an A3 for xmas as well as this disc. It's in DTS-MA. But their reciever is an older Denon with only Dolby Digital 5.1.

I kind of thought that every HD DVD & Blu-ray too would have a default Dolby track or at least a downmixed 2.0 track for those who don't have dts. This is how it was with SD-DVD. The only track is the Spanish DTS-MA audio one.

Is there a way to get some audio here without dts? Thanks for the help.

Sure -- just set the A3's SPDIF to PCM. Your parents Denon AVR will get stereo PCM and play that. Sorry no 5.1 for them though.
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ok, thanks...will give it a try.
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bobgpsr,
well, that worked.

Thanks!
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I have the U.K BD version. I won't mind picking up the U.S version on a BOGO sale considering the availability of DTS-HD MA.

Blu-ray : 340
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All but given up trying to rent this on either format as there is always a long wait. Guess I'll wait for a good price.
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