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post #3181 of 3189 Old 01-28-2015, 09:05 AM
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day 2.

Its not starting up again. No split screen. Just that dumbass white screen!!!


Going to go into the abyss of attempting a recovery.
I have little confidence in my backup. I do it every couple of months. Anything not on their is on my computer except perhaps some playlist editing. I usually do a back up when I do a lot of work.
Why unconfident??? Well, this machine eats time.
I know some of you have a good handle on how to move forward beyond the machine. I just have so much vested in time on this machine.
IN fact, I hope the restore works because I see the future and its a ONE machine!!!! $300 for a motherboard vs. $450 for a discounted ONE.
Seems its not a matter of if but WHEN.
I love/Hate this machine.
In a world where I have a housefull of Apple products this kind of malfunction seems so outdated. I know many of you are very good in and around software and data and while Im not Noob, I just find the task of spending hour upon hour for music to be a frivolous use of time.


I have one playlist with about 1,000 songs that just makes life so good. That one list that has the songs of a lifetime............ I hope this list makes it!!!!
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Very similar experience to Mark. We still have one working Olive (the 04HD); the 06HD was sold (in perfect working order) on Audiogon.
At our main home we now use Sonos. I was lucky to get a friends and family discount, but Sonos is a great value regardless. The main system uses the digital out of a Sonos connected into a OPPO HA-1 DAC/ headphone amp/pre-amp. Highly recommended, btw. Of course, the analog out of the Sonos is quite good as well.
All music was pulled off the Olive via XBMC and is now on a Time Capsule using JRiver to manage the library This all works very well. For our limited hi-res collection I use a Macbook running JRiver into the USB port of the OPPO.
But 98% of the time it is Sonos as the source. Very easy to run multiple zones; the kids have Play1's in their rooms rather than TV's. All good.

A very good alternative, hi-res ready, is BlueSound.


Olive could have been great, but missed it.

CJP, Thanks to you I was able to transfer my Olive Library to the C drive of XBMC. I am assuming that I can't play the files directly from XBMC, but rather need a music management software such as JRiver. You mention above that your music is now on a "time capsule using JRiver". Can you please explain how to do this./
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CJP, Thanks to you I was able to transfer my Olive Library to the C drive of XBMC. I am assuming that I can't play the files directly from XBMC, but rather need a music management software such as JRiver. You mention above that your music is now on a "time capsule using JRiver". Can you please explain how to do this./
In fact you should be able to play them from XBMC. In my case, and others, esp. using XBMC on a Mac, the file extensions after transfer were missing - i.e. song.flac became just song. It is easy to batch rename the files and add back the .flac. I assume you are past this point.

So, you should now have a portable music library. XBMC or JRIver or Sonos, etc., can all play it. In each case, each software will need to create its own library index. This is much like a traditional library - you have the books, and each music server program will create its own set of library index cards so that the books can be organized and located.

Does this make sense?

I just put my 'books' into a directory on a Time Capsule. Both Jriver and Sonos play from this directory, each forming its own set of index cards.
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From what I gather, and from what I have been told by Olive my machine is cooked.

I have to convert my backup into something tangible and then find a machine. Im done ranting and raving. I have to say the Olive One at the price seems like a real good deal.

What Im wondering is what to do next? My house is hard wired with RCA inline amplified to different systems thru the house. The olive with maestro and phone app was about perfect.

I'd like a simple approach like the one I had but I realize that elegant approach comes with a price.

Now I have to

1. Take my back up and run it thru some type of software. Paragon?
2. Need a machine? Apple Mini>Dac>iPad to manage it? Download via server?
Apple air express?
3. Olive ONE?
4. Other brands? Sony? I'd like to keep it under $1000 but could go up to $1500.

The lifestyle of having 20000 songs at ones fingertips is a great luxury I have become accustomed. We entertain a lot. I have high quality sound in my:

1. Living room
2. Bedroom
3. Outdoor room
4. Rock speakers by gas grill
5. Hot tub
6. Billiards Room.
7. Kitchen/Holding room

These zones get used and the Olive was great. Any thoughts to what should be done next????
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From what I gather, and from what I have been told by Olive my machine is cooked.

I have to convert my backup into something tangible and then find a machine. Im done ranting and raving. I have to say the Olive One at the price seems like a real good deal.

What Im wondering is what to do next? My house is hard wired with RCA inline amplified to different systems thru the house. The olive with maestro and phone app was about perfect.

I'd like a simple approach like the one I had but I realize that elegant approach comes with a price.

Now I have to

1. Take my back up and run it thru some type of software. Paragon?
2. Need a machine? Apple Mini>Dac>iPad to manage it? Download via server?
Apple air express?
3. Olive ONE?
4. Other brands? Sony? I'd like to keep it under $1000 but could go up to $1500.

The lifestyle of having 20000 songs at ones fingertips is a great luxury I have become accustomed. We entertain a lot. I have high quality sound in my:

1. Living room
2. Bedroom
3. Outdoor room
4. Rock speakers by gas grill
5. Hot tub
6. Billiards Room.
7. Kitchen/Holding room

These zones get used and the Olive was great. Any thoughts to what should be done next????
Nalod - you have a lot of choices.
First, you can mount your back-up drive using Linux freeware - on a Mac I use FUSE. Anyway, once the back-up drive is mounted, try pointing some music server software at it, perhaps XBMC, also free. XBMC will then create a library index to the music. Note that the folder names Olive uses are gibberish to humans (some long hexadecimal number), but that doesn't matter. All music server programs will look into the embedded tags to organize the library.
If you have done extensive editing using Maestro, you will have to recreate all this - Maestro does not write back into the tags. Something like JRiver does.
Once you have created a 'portable' library with good tags, then anything can access it - XBMC, Olive ONE, Sonos, BlueSound etc.

I do not believe Olive ONE is backward compatible with libraries and Maestro databases from older Olives, which is a shame.

Once I moved the library off of Olive, we expanded our system - 5 zones using Sonos, and one, more critical, zone using Jriver through a Mac (for some limited hi-res stuff). They all use the same music files.
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Hi,

I will never buy a machine from Olive again. The One is not an option. I do not trust this Crowd Funding Solution.

I bought a Raumfeld Connector 2. Now I have a comfortable and modern iPad/iPhone app. I use streaming services like WIMP and I have full and fast access to my 4HD resources (2200 albums).

In some time I will use XMBC to get the flacs out of this Olive machine. But in the meantime it is fine. I need only two minutes to be ready to play music with the 4HD as a upnp server (switched off from power). And I can play my HiRes music as well.

The app is cool and has a useful great looking GUI.

Cheers
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Nalod - you have a lot of choices.
First, you can mount your back-up drive using Linux freeware - on a Mac I use FUSE. Anyway, once the back-up drive is mounted, try pointing some music server software at it, perhaps XBMC, also free. XBMC will then create a library index to the music. Note that the folder names Olive uses are gibberish to humans (some long hexadecimal number), but that doesn't matter. All music server programs will look into the embedded tags to organize the library.
If you have done extensive editing using Maestro, you will have to recreate all this - Maestro does not write back into the tags. Something like JRiver does.
Once you have created a 'portable' library with good tags, then anything can access it - XBMC, Olive ONE, Sonos, BlueSound etc.

I do not believe Olive ONE is backward compatible with libraries and Maestro databases from older Olives, which is a shame.

Once I moved the library off of Olive, we expanded our system - 5 zones using Sonos, and one, more critical, zone using Jriver through a Mac (for some limited hi-res stuff). They all use the same music files.
Im going to have to spend some time to digest all this as it does not come easy to me.

Basically my playlists are toast, but I can at least get things organized by artist and Album?

Those playlists are gold!!!! But if they are gone they are gone.
I just want to listen to my music, not be a "Curator"!!!
For all the time and Money spend on the Two Olive's I am hesitant to go the route of the ONE, but for the money its seems like a very good deal!!

ThankS!!! Nalod
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Im going to have to spend some time to digest all this as it does not come easy to me.

Basically my playlists are toast, but I can at least get things organized by artist and Album?

Those playlists are gold!!!! But if they are gone they are gone.
I just want to listen to my music, not be a "Curator"!!!
For all the time and Money spend on the Two Olive's I am hesitant to go the route of the ONE, but for the money its seems like a very good deal!!

ThankS!!! Nalod
I agree, being a curator is not fun (for most people). I recognized early that the Olive was locking us into a very proprietary solution. So, I moved the library out of Olive's grasp so to speak.

Yes, playlists will be lost, but, trust me, the second time is much easier. You will be surprised at how much you remember about each one.

Software like JRiver and dbPoweramp are much easier to use than Olive ever was. Look into the Bluesound vault - getting phenomenal reviews, and backed by a much more stable company than Olive (Lenmark, owner of NAD and PSB). Bluesound will keep your library portable, not proprietary.
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Im going to have to spend some time to digest all this as it does not come easy to me.

Basically my playlists are toast, but I can at least get things organized by artist and Album?

Those playlists are gold!!!! But if they are gone they are gone.
I just want to listen to my music, not be a "Curator"!!!
For all the time and Money spend on the Two Olive's I am hesitant to go the route of the ONE, but for the money its seems like a very good deal!!

ThankS!!! Nalod
Sorry, it is a good Deal because it's cheap? Nice Logic. So buy it and have some fun
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