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mumsoft's Avatar mumsoft 03:16 PM 01-28-2009
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Originally Posted by David Meek View Post

I'm feeding the Opus4's digital output into the same standalone DAC (Musical Fidelity A3.24) that I ran my transport (Yamaha CDR-1000) into and I can safely say that I haven't noticed an audible difference when just playing a CD.

I'm willing to bet that your Marantz has better internal DACs than the Opus does - assuming you have been using the analog outputs on both.

David,

When I listened to the cd-player in both the Marantz and the Opus, they both were connected to my Cambridge DacMagic.
The difference was quite obvious. A friend who listened thought that Johnny Cash had caught a cold on the Opus.
Also twidling with the phase made a difference, but it did not come close to what the Marantz cd player produced.

Marc

nottlv's Avatar nottlv 10:20 PM 01-28-2009
Thanks for the info guys.

I did check the manual before posting and there was simply a mention that the web interface would be activated in a future release. I thought I remember reading in the other (lengthy) Olive thread that the web/Rondo interface URL was posted and was already active in a beta form, so I was hoping someone could post a few shots of that. I was curious if it looked more like the "old" web interface or more like the new interface on the internal screen. No big deal though.

My Thecus 5200Pro NAS has a UPnP / DLNA server built-in (licensed from a company name Mediabolic), so hopefully that would work though Mediabolic isn't specifically mentioned in the Olive manual.

I'd be using the Opus in the same manner as my Musica, which is strictly through the digital S/PDIF output into a TacT 2150XDM digital amp. The TacT's digital inputs can handle up to 24/192 2 channel PCM, so I was curious if the Opus can output the Reference Recordings HRx (176/24 WAV) and the Linn StudioMaster (up to 192/24 FLAC) files. At $45 and $32 a pop, respectively, it's probably not a chance I'd take without knowing since I'd have no other way to play them otherwise (plus it's more of an audiophile curiosity given none of the available titles really float my boat). I'll shoot an email to Olive sales to see if they can answer that question.
JimInLoganSquare's Avatar JimInLoganSquare 07:24 PM 01-29-2009
I'm sorry if this has been answered before (and someone perhaps can direct me there), but could someone please tell me how, step by step, to move music from my PC onto my Opus No. 4? I would love to start importing CDs (and downloading files from HDTracks) on my PC and pushing them onto the Opus, but the directions in the User Manual (Section 5.2) are not helpful. This will be especially useful for the many CDs I have that aren't recognized by the Opus CD database (I have a lot of those). Thanks, folks!
zbrett's Avatar zbrett 06:29 AM 01-30-2009
The Rondo interface looks just like the screen on the Opus. However, it is difficult to navigate because it lacks the buttons, or the ability to do the alphabet jump. Coordination between the Rondo interface and the screen is also iffy. I usually end up using a combination of my laptop (Maestro and Rondo) and remote to control the unit.


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Originally Posted by nottlv View Post

Thanks for the info guys.

I did check the manual before posting and there was simply a mention that the web interface would be activated in a future release. I thought I remember reading in the other (lengthy) Olive thread that the web/Rondo interface URL was posted and was already active in a beta form, so I was hoping someone could post a few shots of that. I was curious if it looked more like the "old" web interface or more like the new interface on the internal screen. No big deal though.

My Thecus 5200Pro NAS has a UPnP / DLNA server built-in (licensed from a company name Mediabolic), so hopefully that would work though Mediabolic isn't specifically mentioned in the Olive manual.

I'd be using the Opus in the same manner as my Musica, which is strictly through the digital S/PDIF output into a TacT 2150XDM digital amp. The TacT's digital inputs can handle up to 24/192 2 channel PCM, so I was curious if the Opus can output the Reference Recordings HRx (176/24 WAV) and the Linn StudioMaster (up to 192/24 FLAC) files. At $45 and $32 a pop, respectively, it's probably not a chance I'd take without knowing since I'd have no other way to play them otherwise (plus it's more of an audiophile curiosity given none of the available titles really float my boat). I'll shoot an email to Olive sales to see if they can answer that question.


zbrett's Avatar zbrett 06:35 AM 01-30-2009
Assuming you are using Windows, all you need to do is go to Start -> Run and type in \\\\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (the xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx represents the IP address of the Opus). A window containing a folder named "import" should pop up. Open the import folder, and drag and drop the files into the folder.

If you don't know the IP address of the Opus, you can find it by selecting Settings -> Network Settings -> Network Information on the Opus.

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Originally Posted by JimInLoganSquare View Post

I'm sorry if this has been answered before (and someone perhaps can direct me there), but could someone please tell me how, step by step, to move music from my PC onto my Opus No. 4? I would love to start importing CDs (and downloading files from HDTracks) on my PC and pushing them onto the Opus, but the directions in the User Manual (Section 5.2) are not helpful. This will be especially useful for the many CDs I have that aren't recognized by the Opus CD database (I have a lot of those). Thanks, folks!


mumsoft's Avatar mumsoft 02:41 PM 01-30-2009
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Originally Posted by JimInLoganSquare View Post

I'm sorry if this has been answered before (and someone perhaps can direct me there), but could someone please tell me how, step by step, to move music from my PC onto my Opus No. 4?

If you are using Linux, it's easier than with windows
At least, on my pc I open Local Network, next SMB services, choose smb://opus/, and after a while the Import folder pops up. Now I copy what I like to this folder.
I have given the hostname opus to the ip-address the Opus No 4 has.

The Opus manual says: currently access is limited to Windows pc's

Greetz
Marc
zbrett's Avatar zbrett 05:31 PM 01-30-2009
Oh yeah, you Linux guys.... I outta... What version on Linux are you using?

An easier way to do it in Windows is to type the \\\\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx in your Internet Explorer browser.


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If you are using Linux, it's easier than with windows
At least, on my pc I open Local Network, next SMB services, choose smb://opus/, and after a while the Import folder pops up. Now I copy what I like to this folder.
I have given the hostname opus to the ip-address the Opus No 4 has.

The Opus manual says: currently access is limited to Windows pc's

Greetz
Marc


mumsoft's Avatar mumsoft 02:56 AM 01-31-2009
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

Oh yeah, you Linux guys.... I outta... What version on Linux are you using?

An easier way to do it in Windows is to type the \\\\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx in your Internet Explorer browser.

Well, eh guys? I'm probably the only one.
For about 6 years I have been using Suse Linux, it started with version 8 and now I use version 11.1

For reasons obvious to me, I don't want any pc or gadget in our house to use Windows. Until now that's pretty easy.

But that's not ontopic.

Marc
JimInLoganSquare's Avatar JimInLoganSquare 03:43 PM 01-31-2009
Thanks for the tips; I was able to open the Import folder and start loading HDTracks albums onto the Opus. Chesky 96/24 recordings (in FLAC) sound wonderful through my new Cambridge/Azur DACMagic.
edmiston's Avatar edmiston 12:29 PM 02-01-2009
I am a former owner of an Olive Musica. It was my first foray into hard drive storage of music. I loved the concept but sold the unit because the drive was so noisy and there were many hardware glitches. I now want to start over but am unsure which road to take. I will take the digital out, run it through a Monarchy DIP and into an Integra 9.9 surround processor. My thought is that for $1300 I can get an iMac with a 500gig hard drive and optical digital output. The display is easily seen across the room and I could use my iPod touch for a remote.

Are there any advantages to the Opus 4 over the Mac system (other than it is smaller)?

Thanks,

Mark
David Meek's Avatar David Meek 06:23 PM 02-01-2009
Mark, I'm still a big fan of my Opus4. I like it that for a few hundred bucks more than you are looking at, you get an extremely quiet, tera-byte capacity unit that requires very little maintenance, outputs HD over the digital out and (through my external DAC) gives me a great sound. If you are attaching it to a wireless router via Ethernet cable it's basically a fire-and-forget system. You can also use the iPod Touch to control the Opus4. My wife has one and it works very well using the Rondo interface.
mumsoft's Avatar mumsoft 04:21 AM 02-02-2009
Mark,

I don't know what a Mac can do, but I guess it won't surpass the Opus ability to cater for classical music. As my collection of cd's contains over 80% of so called classical music, I have chosen the Opus 4 to be able to delve into them.
It provides the componist name and work name, apart from the album name and artist(s), and that proves to be invaluable for this kind of music.
I know of several people that have chosen to rip & play the pc-way, and are wrestling with their classical albums to get them right, or have chosen to leave them alone.

So, if you have classical albums, there is no other option.

Marc
zbrett's Avatar zbrett 09:23 AM 02-03-2009
The Opus 4 is using the new Seagate Pipeline hard drives which are a lot quieter than the drives from even just a few years ago. While not completely silent, I haven't noticed any hard drive noise from 6 to 8 feet away while listening to music. In fact, the only noise I ever notice is the initial spin up when the unit is first turned on.

Most of the software and hardware glitches have been either fixed or identified, and Olive plans to continually enhance the interface.

I have my Opus 4 running digital out into a Cambridge Audio DacMagic (new version), and it sounds great. For some reason using the coax rather than the optical out sounds better to me. Any differences could be in my head.

I can't really speak to the advantages/disadvantages of iMac versus Opus 4 since I know very little about the iMac.

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Originally Posted by edmiston View Post

I am a former owner of an Olive Musica. It was my first foray into hard drive storage of music. I loved the concept but sold the unit because the drive was so noisy and there were many hardware glitches. I now want to start over but am unsure which road to take. I will take the digital out, run it through a Monarchy DIP and into an Integra 9.9 surround processor. My thought is that for $1300 I can get an iMac with a 500gig hard drive and optical digital output. The display is easily seen across the room and I could use my iPod touch for a remote.

Are there any advantages to the Opus 4 over the Mac system (other than it is smaller)?

Thanks,

Mark


zbrett's Avatar zbrett 09:31 AM 02-03-2009
I've bought a number of the high resolution albums from HDTracks, and I highly recommend them.

http://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?fi...diophile_96khz

I've also joined the B&W Music Club, and have found it to be an excellent value. You are limited to the club choice for each month, but so far I haven't been disappointed. Just this month they released the album as 24 bit FLAC files (the also offer 16 bit FLAC and Apple Lossless). You can do a free 3 month trial membership if you are interested.

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=3550

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Originally Posted by JimInLoganSquare View Post

Thanks for the tips; I was able to open the Import folder and start loading HDTracks albums onto the Opus. Chesky 96/24 recordings (in FLAC) sound wonderful through my new Cambridge/Azur DACMagic.


elvira29's Avatar elvira29 03:32 AM 02-04-2009
Not to change the subject too much, I have a quick question. I am going to integrate my Opus 4 into my system, and also a Benchmark dac1 usb, and a Krell sacd mk3. I have a Kav 280p pre, and a SC-09 for ht. My question is should I put the Opus 4/dac before the pre, or direct after to the mono's ?? Will I lose or gain sound quality ?? Should I go balanced or coax ?? Any suggestions, or if someone has a similar combo, any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.....dg
Roseval's Avatar Roseval 04:55 AM 02-05-2009
Connect the digital out of the Opus to the Benchmark.
I expect the Benchmark to have a better DA conversion then the Opus
elvira29's Avatar elvira29 09:03 AM 02-05-2009
Thanks Roseval, that's what I was thinking also. It should be much improved sound.
mumsoft's Avatar mumsoft 01:42 PM 02-05-2009
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For some reason using the coax rather than the optical out sounds better to me. Any differences could be in my head.

Hi zbret, i have connected the Macdagic to the Opus with an optical wire. Could it be that the quality of either the optical cable or the coax cable is at stake here?
I don't want to start a topic about the differences of those cables, but I also don't want to buy a coax cable just to try yo hear a difference in sound, that I probably can't hear.

Marc
shamus's Avatar shamus 11:34 PM 02-05-2009
I really hate the new Maestro (except for being able to easily add songs to a playlist). Losing that scroll hurts.
zbrett's Avatar zbrett 07:09 AM 02-07-2009
I agree, and I told Olive as much. I think there are some major changes coming to the interface down the road. I'll check in with them next week and see what I can find out.

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I really hate the new Maestro (except for being able to easily add songs to a playlist). Losing that scroll hurts.


zbrett's Avatar zbrett 07:13 AM 02-07-2009
I was using a fairly high quality Monster optical and coax cables when comparing. Like I said, it could be in my head since digital is digital. To that end, I've read that spending money on really expensive digital cables is a waste since either they work or don't work, but at the same time, I have to believe there is some relevance to shielding and construction.

The only thing I can't account for is any possible differences of the digital outs of the Opus.


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Hi zbret, i have connected the Macdagic to the Opus with an optical wire. Could it be that the quality of either the optical cable or the coax cable is at stake here?
I don't want to start a topic about the differences of those cables, but I also don't want to buy a coax cable just to try yo hear a difference in sound, that I probably can't hear.

Marc


mumsoft's Avatar mumsoft 07:54 AM 02-07-2009
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I agree, and I told Olive as much. I think there are some major changes coming to the interface down the road. I'll check in with them next week and see what I can find out.

I had asked them again about the multi-cd album bug, and could decipher from the answer that an update still will take some weaks waiting for us.

Meanwhile I don't agree. But blame that to my newness if you wish. I have never seen an older version.
But I think pressing a letter isn't such a bad thing. If that's what you are referring to.

Marc
zbrett's Avatar zbrett 07:58 AM 02-07-2009
Marc,

I believe Shamus is talking about the ability to scroll through the entire list at once (which went away with this new version), rather than select a letter, scroll, select the next letter, scroll, etc.


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I had asked them again about the multi-cd album bug, and could decipher from the answer that an update still will take some weaks waiting for us.

Meanwhile I don't agree. But blame that to my newness if you wish. I have never seen an older version.
But I think pressing a letter isn't such a bad thing. If that's what you are referring to.

Marc


mumsoft's Avatar mumsoft 09:26 AM 02-07-2009
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Marc,
I believe Shamus is talking about the ability to scroll through the entire list at once (which went away with this new version), rather than select a letter, scroll, select the next letter, scroll, etc.

Ok, but then what about the next and previous arrows you get? Is almost the same, I think.

Marc
shamus's Avatar shamus 10:15 AM 02-07-2009
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Ok, but then what about the next and previous arrows you get? Is almost the same, I think.

Marc

Scrolling was so much easier... actually both options should be there. I have a feeling it has something to do with being able to load a page faster when you have one letter of albums instead of a thousand albums.
The problem without the scroll is when you try to combine albums not on the same page. It can be done, but its a pain. Another problem is rearanging a favorite list... not fun.
Maestro was perfect IMO except for the only being able to add one song to a playlist part... which is fixed now.
mumsoft's Avatar mumsoft 01:46 PM 02-07-2009
Shamus, that's pretty clear! I hope they fix it.

Marc
BTW: does anyone knows how to get the rondo interface on your pc? It's not in the manual.
shamus's Avatar shamus 01:56 PM 02-07-2009
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BTW: does anyone knows how to get the rondo interface on your pc? It's not in the manual.

Thats caus its a secret....

http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8163/olive_opus.php
egoss's Avatar egoss 02:46 PM 02-07-2009
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Hi zbret, i have connected the DACmagic to the Opus with an optical wire. Could it be that the quality of either the optical cable or the coax cable is at stake here?
I don't want to start a topic about the differences of those cables, but I also don't want to buy a coax cable just to try yo hear a difference in sound, that I probably can't hear.

Marc

I happen to notice this from time to time in various systems as well - coax works better, sometimes remarkably so. I did find that (gently!) cleaning the end of my optical cable with a dustless camera lens cleaning cloth improved the performance of one optical cable. It must have gotten dirty while left unprotected in a storage box. I suspect that some equipment's optical receptor lens may be dirty as well, but I'm not sure how you safely clean one of those. I would recommend taking a peek with a magnifying glass to see if your cable ends are dirty. I personally avoid the issue by using coax, or even better, AES/EBU wherever possible. :-)
Roseval's Avatar Roseval 09:47 AM 02-08-2009
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Like I said, it could be in my head since digital is digital......
The only thing I can't account for is any possible differences of the digital outs of the Opus.

Bits are bits.
An undeniable truth.
One bit is not more beautiful, better polished, etc than any other.
This argument is true but not right because it leaves the other half of digital audio, the time, out of the equation.
SPDIF is a hybrid protocol, the signal is send in bits but the sample rate is not send to the receiver. The sample rate is derived from the incoming bit stream. The accuracy of this stream is a matter of the quality of the clock of the sender. As no clock is perfect, there will always be some jitter.
In general Toslink compared with coax has a big advantage, as it is fibre, sender and receiver are completely electrically isolated. It also has a disadvantage, Its rise time is in general slower than coax so more input jitter might be the result.
The end result will depend on how well your external DAC rejects input jitter. Most DACs are not completely immune to input jitter.
So it is possible that the same bits sound different using coax or Toslink.

http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com/
zbrett's Avatar zbrett 03:42 PM 02-09-2009
"Next release should only be a question of days now" Didn't get into what it will entail beyond bug fixes.

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I agree, and I told Olive as much. I think there are some major changes coming to the interface down the road. I'll check in with them next week and see what I can find out.


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