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Disbeliever's Avatar Disbeliever
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BDP-83 Latest report from Oppo today 26 October. Issues relating to pops ,clicks and other audio errors during transitions of tracks have not been fixed and are currently being worked on. Best regds Oppo Customer service.
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I have the onkyo 506 not sure how similar it is to the integra but it has been a great unit. I have bee using it for dsd over hdmi and it has been amazing. Do you plan on running dsd over hdmi?

Hello,
I just purchased this player. Have you ever tried this player via the analog outs for 5.1?
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The Sony XA5400ES sounds better than the Oppo 980 for RB CD & SACD stereo & multichannel

Sure it does, if you feed it to the amps, except RBCD, where
you have a valid point.

On the other hand if you send DSD out there is no difference.

The HATS jitter free handshake is greatly offset by the poor
quality of the Sony ES receiver line, so that benefit is also gone.

Now, if you go by specs and have stage 3 upgraditis, the Sony
wins
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Hello all,
I just purchased a Onkyo DV-506 Universal DVD player that outputs SACD/DVD Audio via HDMI. My question is when I set the SACD setting to output DSD to my Onkyo 705, the receiver says it is being sent as 44.1 Khz. When I change the SACD output to 5.1 PCM the receiver says 176.4 Khz, and the Audysee shuts off. When the audysee shuts off does that mean that DAC conversion is being processed in the DVD player, or is the amp processing it minus the Audysee settings? Also can Audysee handle anything sent over 88.2khz?
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Kal, FYI. I recently tried connecting the XA Sony 5400 ES to a new Classe SSP-800 (dual DSP upgrade and latest version 2.0.1 software) via HDMI with a resultant "Unmatched Sink" message on the Sony display. There was no music from any speaker. There was no problem with the Sony's analog outputs and no problem with an Oppo BDP-83 via HDMI. This seems to reinforce your earlier experience with an EDID "handshake" problem between the Classe SSP-800 and the Sony.
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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Kal, FYI. I recently tried connecting the XA Sony 5400 ES to a new Classe SSP-800 (dual DSP upgrade and latest version 2.0.1 software) via HDMI with a resultant "Unmatched Sink" message on the Sony display. There was no music from any speaker. There was no problem with the Sony's analog outputs and no problem with an Oppo BDP-83 via HDMI. This seems to reinforce your earlier experience with an EDID "handshake" problem between the Classe SSP-800 and the Sony.

For which, of course, no one will "man up" and take responsibility.
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Good thread.
msilverz's Avatar msilverz
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I've added a few new Denon and Marantz players. Each plays SACDs (as well as Blu-Ray discs), but none of them transmit DSD over HMDI. LPCM only.

Any other new players out there?
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I've also added the Lexicon BD-30, which looks like a THX-certified clone of the Oppo BDP-83. I wonder what other differences there are, and how they might justify the roughly $2,500 price difference.
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Oppo officially announced their BDP-80 today, which is lower priced than the BDP-83. It supports DSD over HDMI like its big brother.
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Thanks!

I also just learned that Sony showed a number of Blu-Ray/SACD players at CES2010 that will surely pass DSD over HDMI. As soon as I have confirmation, I'll add them to the list.
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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I've added a few new Denon and Marantz players. Each plays SACDs (as well as Blu-Ray discs), but none of them transmit DSD over HMDI. LPCM only.

Any other new players out there?

Have you checked on the bitrate of the LPCM?
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Have you checked on the bitrate of the LPCM?

The manuals for both of the Marantz players say:

"Super Audio CD audio signals are output at 44.1 kHz/16-bit."

Can you please explain the significance of this? Should I take them off the list?

Matty
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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The manuals for both of the Marantz players say:

"Super Audio CD audio signals are output at 44.1 kHz/16-bit."

Can you please explain the significance of this? Should I take them off the list?

Matty

That is standard CD resolution. I would hope and expect the output to be 88.2Khz/24-bit from SACD.
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That is standard CD resolution. I would hope and expect the output to be 88.2Khz/24-bit from SACD.

As would I. I probably will take them off the list, then.

Do you know if the earlier Denon universal players that used the proprietary DenonLink connection also sent only standard CD resolution? I wonder why the switch to HDMI would cause the change.

Matty
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As would I. I probably will take them off the list, then.

Do you know if the earlier Denon universal players that used the proprietary DenonLink connection also sent only standard CD resolution? I wonder why the switch to HDMI would cause the change.

Matty

My older Denon 3910 uses Denon Link 3, which will send DSD across it (Source direct "on") or send 24/176.4 PCM (source direct "off'). So Denon's new bar is quite low!
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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As would I. I probably will take them off the list, then.

Do you know if the earlier Denon universal players that used the proprietary DenonLink connection also sent only standard CD resolution? I wonder why the switch to HDMI would cause the change.

Matty

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My older Denon 3910 uses Denon Link 3, which will send DSD across it (Source direct "on") or send 24/176.4 PCM (source direct "off'). So Denon's new bar is quite low!

AFAIK, current Denons will also output full-bandwidth via DenonLink which, they aver, is superior to HDMI anyway.
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AFAIK, current Denons will also output full-bandwidth via DenonLink which, they aver, is superior to HDMI anyway.

Yes, they always pushed DL (of course) but I tended to agree. Seemed cleaner, tighter. And with the 3910 HDMI was not an option for SACD, even in source direct off (PCM) mode.
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As would I. I probably will take them off the list, then...

It would probably be more useful to people if you kept them on the list, but with an asterisk or in a separate group. Otherwise some would probably think their absence was just an oversight. And it might serve to alert others to what I consider a form of deception.
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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It would probably be more useful to people if you kept them on the list, but with an asterisk or in a separate group. Otherwise some would probably think their absence was just an oversight.

Agreed.
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It would probably be more useful to people if you kept them on the list, but with an asterisk or in a separate group. Otherwise some would probably think their absence was just an oversight. And it might serve to alert others to what I consider a form of deception.

That's what I'll do. Thanks for the suggestion.

Matty
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I've now added three new inexpensive Sony Blu-Ray players that transmit DSD (or PCM) over HDMI.

Kal, should I add the SCD-XA5400ES to the PCM list?
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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I've now added three new inexpensive Sony Blu-Ray players that transmit DSD (or PCM) over HDMI.

Kal, should I add the SCD-XA5400ES to the PCM list?

Yes. Meridian did say that the problem was theirs (and possibly Classe's, too) in that they were not handling Sony's EDID properly. Apparently, there is something in that EDID that, while in spec, is not common.
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Yes. Meridian did say that the problem was theirs (and possibly Classe's, too) in that they were not handling Sony's EDID properly. Apparentaly, their is something in that EDID that, while in spec, is not common.

Done. Thanks, Kal.

I'd be interested to know whether the inexpensive Sony Blu-Ray players can match the DSD-over-HDMI performance of the SCD-XA5400ES. Of course, it's still a mystery to me why some players would sound better sending DSD over HDMI than others, but I take your word for it that there are differences.

Matty
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Done. Thanks, Kal.
Of course, it's still a mystery to me why some players would sound better sending DSD over HDMI than others...

Jitter? Sharing bandwidth with video cannot be beneficial.
Personal I have an Denon DVD-2930 connected via a DLIII with a Denon AVR-3805 that can decode DSD and it's sounds better than DSD over HDMI that I heard on a soundroom. But... different speakers, different receiver.
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Done. Thanks, Kal.

I'd be interested to know whether the inexpensive Sony Blu-Ray players can match the DSD-over-HDMI performance of the SCD-XA5400ES. Of course, it's still a mystery to me why some players would sound better sending DSD over HDMI than others, but I take your word for it that there are differences.

Matty

I am curious to see how the new mainstream Sony BD players the x70 series handle DSD direct and compare to their higher end ES transports.

I can tell you that in my experience in the sub $600 players - the Integra DPS 6.9 sounds better than a Pioneer DV-58AV sending DSD over HDMI with the same power supply, HDMI cable and source disc.
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not sure if this is the right thread but here goes!

I presently own and Integra 8.9 AVR and I looking to pruchase an SACD player.have any of you had the luxury to compare the 2 players.I've always been a Integra fan and I'm wondering if I should stick with an Integra SACD player to match to my AVR, or is there something better for the same price?

thanks
Z
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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Done. Thanks, Kal.

I'd be interested to know whether the inexpensive Sony Blu-Ray players can match the DSD-over-HDMI performance of the SCD-XA5400ES. Of course, it's still a mystery to me why some players would sound better sending DSD over HDMI than others, but I take your word for it that there are differences.

Puzzles me, too, but the differences are minor and, for many, may be inconsequential.
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not sure if this is the right thread but here goes!

I presently own and Integra 8.9 AVR and I looking to pruchase an SACD player.have any of you had the luxury to compare the 2 players.I've always been a Integra fan and I'm wondering if I should stick with an Integra SACD player to match to my AVR, or is there something better for the same price?

thanks
Z

zwalls:

The 6.9 is fantastic for SACD. The menus are superb. It is LESS than superb with its DVD-A decoding via PCM.

I have used it with my DTR-8.8 and Pio SC-07 -works well with both and shines with SACD sources. HDMI control does NOT function properly so don't bother with it.

Compared to the 5400 (I have never owed that unit) it is much lighter and thinner. IMHO well worth the $400+ paid.

I have it in my Control4 setup in my theater and the RS232 control is a bonus if you need it.

The 5400 has balanced outputs but for 3x the price.

Unless you are using it with a higher end dedicated PRE-PRO and amp the 6.9 is a great option for the price/performance ratio.

You may also want to wait for the ES version of the Sony BDP-57/570 - they should all do SACD/BD. Why invest in two units when you can have BD/DVD/SACD/3D BD in one????
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Just received my Onkyo DV-SP506 and am very pleased so far. Plays SACD and DVD-A over HDMI and sounds great! Highly recommended.

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