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I was not aware that there was a question worth answering

Yes, there was. Now you know.

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and now this repetitive subjective B.S. is all just boring.

There's nothing subjective about DB Testing of CDPs.

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I did my tests, explained how I did them and made it clear that anything I said was my opinion and people should draw their own conclusions. I am satisfied with the results.

Great! Did someone condemn you for having your own opinion? I haven't seen it but if you have, please point it out.
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Don't worry. The answer to my post in 168 shows a complete lack of understanding of audio. Remember, this is from the same person who claims to be an audiophile, but refuses to list ANY of his or her equipment. Unfortunatedly, this thread has been dumb down.

True but on the bright side I did meet some nice people so all in all not a total loss.
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Don't worry. The answer to my post in 168 shows a complete lack of understanding of audio.

Being able to judge such thing, I guess you know what's going on in electronic audio technology and scientific method of comparison.

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Remember, this is from the same person who claims to be an audiophile, but refuses to list ANY of his or her equipment.

For a second I thought you were talking about me. Oh well.

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Unfortunatedly, this thread has been dumb down.

But you state it with a misspelling of such a common word.
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True but on the bright side I did meet some nice people so all in all not a total loss.

Maybe so.
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Would love to compare the 5400 to the NUforce modded 83SE player.

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Would love to compare the 5400 to the NUforce modded 83SE player.

Just checked it out.....Looks sweet. I understand that there are mods for the 5400 as well.
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Just checked it out.....Looks sweet. I understand that there are mods for the 5400 as well.

Dan Wright (Modwright) is developing multiple mod versions for the 5400, but it's still a work in progress.
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Dan Wright (Modwright) is developing multiple mod versions for the 5400, but it's still a work in progress.

Thanks for the info. Will look into it when and if it becomes available.
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Dan Wright (Modwright) is developing multiple mod versions for the 5400, but it's still a work in progress.

It may stay a work in progress as the 5400 is just that good as a stock player.
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It may stay a work in progress as the 5400 is just that good as a stock player.

I know what you mean. My wife and I sat down and listened to Aaron Copelands Appellation Spring last night (red book), and at the risk of agitating the trolls, were both blown away by how good it sounded.
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I know what you mean. My wife and I sat down and listened to Aaron Copelands Appellation Spring last night (red book), and at the risk of agitating the trolls, were both blown away by how good it sounded.

Aaron Copland's albums are mostly recent recordings in relative terms, thus they are pretty much a safe bet when looking for good recordings, especially Appalachian Spring. Many recordings are conducted by Aaron himself.
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I know what you mean. My wife and I sat down and listened to Aaron Copelands Appellation Spring last night (red book), .....................

Are you sure about the appellation?

And, btw, there are several versions of this piece and each has been recorded several times. Which one blew you away?

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Are you sure about the appellation?

And, btw, there are several versions of this piece and each has been recorded several times. Which one blew you away?

Got me there on spelling. Not sure which recording it is. I've had it for many years. Will look when I get home. Makes for a nice evening when we can kick back with a glass and enjoy something we both like.
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My reply was VVV

Is there something you want to say about PS3 not being great for sound quality?

no but a subjective comparison beats no objective data. I have not heard the ps3 and thus have no comment on it and do not invade the ps3 thread looking to argue to inform people that it sounds like every other cdp out there because there is no evidence for it or against it. what is vvv?
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This is an open forum, isn't it? Anyone can post comments, no???
Oh, perhaps you have something credible showing audible differences between those players? That should be a snap according to some



You don't have one to show a difference, I bet. So, I am not sure what you are after?

I was responding to an affirmative proclamation that no difference exiosts which was brandished without evidence. I was looking for evidence of this affirmative proclamation not making one of my own but nice try to turn the discussion around.

furthermore if the naysayers here actually bothered to a/b it for themselves instead of intruding on existing threads they may actually find out that there is something to it. That is if one could get past the cognitive bias that clearly exists without any evidence to support it.
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Just checked it out.....Looks sweet. I understand that there are mods for the 5400 as well.

Wow.. Just when you think the oppo Nuforce trys to catch up with the jones', they hit a curb The Sony with modwright? Must sound out of this world.. I will have to do with the Nuforce for now..

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I was responding to an affirmative proclamation that no difference exiosts which was brandished without evidence. I was looking for evidence of this affirmative proclamation not making one of my own but nice try to turn the discussion around.

furthermore if the naysayers here actually bothered to a/b it for themselves instead of intruding on existing threads they may actually find out that there is something to it. That is if one could get past the cognitive bias that clearly exists without any evidence to support it.

The PS3 is a very capable CDP IMO.. Of course I had very low expections, so, take it as you may..

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Wow.. Just when you think the oppo Nuforce trys to catch up with the jones', they hit a curb The Sony with modwright? Must sound out of this world.. I will have to do with the Nuforce for now..

I am sure that the Nuforce is more than capable and as for the Sony I understand it may or may not happen. If it does when the cost of the cd player and upgrade are figured in it will be pretty spendy.
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no but a subjective comparison beats no objective data. I have not heard the ps3 and thus have no comment on it and do not invade the ps3 thread looking to argue to inform people that it sounds like every other cdp out there because there is no evidence for it or against it.

Reading your post, I can see why you would consider it "invade".

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It's a substitute for arrow sign.
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furthermore if the naysayers here actually bothered to a/b it for themselves instead of intruding on existing threads they may actually find out that there is something to it. That is if one could get past the cognitive bias that clearly exists without any evidence to support it.

I'm not sure who the naysayers are but those who pursuit objective data usually ask how the comparisons are made to those who claim to have heard the difference between CDPs. Usually the answer never comes out and even when it does, the claimers are not very receptive to feedback about their method thus continue to be lost in the jungle of present day electronics technology.
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Are you sure about the appellation?

And, btw, there are several versions of this piece and each has been recorded several times. Which one blew you away?

The version I have was done in 1982 by Louis Lane and the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra. This disc has Fanfare for the Common Man, Rodeo, and Appalachian Spring (boy did I butcher that spelling earlier!) One piece I really like is "Saturday Night Waltz" that is part of Rodeo. It's like the strings just float in the air around you.
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That's fine. I prefer the original version for 13 instruments which I have on an old LP of still strikingly good sound:
Copland: Appalachian Spring; IVES: Three Places in New England
Dennis Russell Davies, conductor
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Re-released on Pro Arte (Digital), PAD 140
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.... That is if one could get past the cognitive bias that clearly exists without any evidence to support it.

More reason for you to find one conducted credibly with 'golden ear' testers, no? Then, you have no excuses.
And, why start with the premise that there must be a difference? You must have evidence for such a position, no???
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no but a subjective comparison beats no objective data. ...

Oh, really? Since when? And, why would that be? Subjective is just that. Not much meaning to others. A singular reality only.
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That's fine. I prefer the original version for 13 instruments which I have on an old LP of still strikingly good sound:
Copland: Appalachian Spring; IVES: Three Places in New England
Dennis Russell Davies, conductor
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Re-released on Pro Arte (Digital), PAD 140
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Sound 80 Label

I will need to dig through my Wife's vinal collection and see which version she has. Also saw that there are some SACD Copland cd's I might check into.
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Kal,

Me: you need to use the analogue's.
You: Why would you make such an absolute statement when the distinctions are not absolute?

Me : But whatever, you'll hear it, and this you would throw away when using another DAC (by using HDMI).
You : Nonsense.


First off, there's zero absolute distinctions in audioland, this irrespective of the plethora of test equipment at hand. The ear rules, and, because I can't hear through others' mine rule, ditto for anybody else.
And no, not nonsense at all, it simply is true.

My above two remarks are born out of the reputation this player has on the net, albeit found through what a few hint at is 'limited reading'. Leaving its SAcd playing capacities entirely alone this player is hailed for its RBcd playing performance, hence not only its conversion but also the DAC perform very well.
I'm sure my remarks make more sense now. If you use anything but analogue out's you'll bypass precisely that what this player is well known for, replacing it by the capacities of the equipment it is hooked up to rendering the player a mere transport only.

"Very well" however is quite an understatement. It is said to perform way above its price, ergo it is regarded as 'too cheap', to such an extent even that this seems to be the reason why Sony has discontinued it (but for the US) after having been for sale worldwide for mere months only.
I think that that's an 'odd' reputation for a Sony player, especially so when they do not offer CD-players anymore, they've got zero... but for this one, for the time being only sold in the US.

For anyone with a stack of RBcd's wanting a literally excellent Sony player this is the one to buy, and my ears tell me I'm happy.
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and my ears tell me I'm happy.

You mean your perception tells you that you are happy. Perhaps the perception that's born out of reading "the reputation this player has on the net". Perception can mean bunch of things including something going on only in your mind.

Tell us, how did you compare this to other CDPs?
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I am a big fan of this player (http://www.stereophile.com/musicinth..._the_round_36/). My reaction was to the implication that analog output was the only/best way to enjoy it.

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While I have my 5400 hooked up by HDMI and the optical connection I generally just listen via the HDMI.
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The ear rules, and, because I can't hear through others' mine rule, ditto for anybody else.

I think it is the brain that rules. Your ears funnel the signal to the drum, sends impulses to the brain for interpretation, I think. Then, the memory banks decide, more or less.

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And no, not nonsense at all, it simply is true.

Well, hardly true.

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My above two remarks are born out of the reputation this player has on the net,

Oh, I see, anecdotes, urban rumors, and such stuff, right? Maybe not really true after all.

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I'm sure my remarks make more sense now.

Or not.

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If you use anything but analogue out's you'll bypass precisely that what this player is well known for,

You mean by the above mentioned anecdotes and urban stuff, right???
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, and my ears tell me I'm happy.

Well, your brains do that. Enjoy the player.
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