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I kept going back and forth between my 5400ES and Oppo 105, but now that I've upgraded my speakers from Martin Logan to DALI, I hear greater detail and depth from the Sony. I listen to it via HDMI since I'm a confirmed multi-channel enthusiast!

I have always thought that the Sony XA-5400ES offered greater delails than the Oppo 95/105 through their respective analog outs which is why I returned the Oppo before the 30 day trial period. I thought the high frequencied from the Sony were more detailed. The Oppo, however, was operationally better than the Sony for whatever thats worth.
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I have always thought that the Sony XA-5400ES offered greater delails than the Oppo 95/105 through their respective analog outs which is why I returned the Oppo before the 30 day trial period. I thought the high frequencied from the Sony were more detailed. The Oppo, however, was operationally better than the Sony for whatever thats worth.

Yeah, I like the Oppo's faster load and search times, plus remembering where one left off playing back a disc is nice. The Sony scores in overall sound and an easier to read display.

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I have always thought that the Sony XA-5400ES offered greater delails than the Oppo 95/105 through their respective analog outs which is why I returned the Oppo before the 30 day trial period. I thought the high frequencied from the Sony were more detailed. The Oppo, however, was operationally better than the Sony for whatever thats worth.

I didn't realize you also tried the Oppo 105.  How long after you returned the 95 did you get the 105, and could you compare the two by memory?  

 

Earlier in this thread, it was revealed that a major magazine compared the Oppo 95 and Sony, and the Oppo came out ahead but at the end of the day you must go with your preferences.  My one critique of Sony is their hit and miss approach to high end audio.  Most of their efforts go to mass market electronic gadgets when they could do so much better.

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After reading raves about the new remastering of Kind of Blue, I stepped up to the $35 cost of an SACD -- it seems they all come from Japan. I’ve played the recording on both the Oppo 105 and Sony 5400ES. It’s very good on the Oppo, but the sense of being there is palpable on the Sony. I’ve read that Sony uses different processing for SACD than Oppo, and maybe that’s why this disc sounds so much better in stereo on the Sony than in 5,1 on the Oppo.

On reflection, I realized that there are at least two difference between the Oppo and Sony playing an SACD disc. (1) The Oppo converts DSD to LPCM to do processing, e.g., speaker configuration and bass management, for analog, whereas with the Sony DSD goes directly to analog. The Sony does not do analog surround, and is switched to give stereo priority in any case. (2) I have the Oppo set to cross to subs at 50 Hz, whereas the Sony sends full range to my KEF 107/2s. I have not noticed a difference in sound when the Oppo converts DSD to LPCM, but DSD is said to be Sony’s trick pony. OTOH, the Oppo - Sony difference is quite subtle with CDs. The Sony does not process HDCD (mostly Reference recordings) so those discs sound substantially superior played by the Oppo which does process HDCD.

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You can compare data, features and techniques until your brain literally goes numb, and by the sound of it that would take you an awfully long time!(these days mine would go numb after a few minutes I'm sure)  At the end of the day, buy the one you like better.  We both made the right choice.

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I didn't realize you also tried the Oppo 105.  How long after you returned the 95 did you get the 105, and could you compare the two by memory?  

Earlier in this thread, it was revealed that a major magazine compared the Oppo 95 and Sony, and the Oppo came out ahead but at the end of the day you must go with your preferences.  My one critique of Sony is their hit and miss approach to high end audio.  Most of their efforts go to mass market electronic gadgets when they could do so much better.

I kept the Oppo BDP-95 for about 20 to 25 days before I returned it. I did not try the BDP-105 because they are sonically the same with both using the same D/A converter. While some prefer the Oppo over the Sony, at the end of the day you have to go by your own ears. My ears tell me the Sony sounded better with the Oppo sounding too warm for me and it truncated the high frequencies. I guess it depends on the rest of your gear, but I simply could not get use to the Oppo sound. Sony's ES line is a cut above its regular gear. In every other way except sound, I thought the Oppo was better.
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I'm faced with a dilemma. The Oppo 105 is set to do SACD PCM surround in analog, the Sony XA5400ES does DSD stereo. With some SACDs, Oppo's surround is important, with others Sony's DSD is the clear winner. I was surprised that the organ pedal notes are so much more fully realized in the SACD of the Saint-Saens 3rd with Munch and the BSO were when played on the Sony. Stereo from both players go through a Parasound JC-2 analog preamp.

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You know you're listening to two different mixes right? I wouldn't attribute the bulk of the difference to the player hardware.

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I didn't think i implied the differences in sonics were due to hardware. I can set the Oppo 105 to output DSD, and even curtail it to stereo, if I'm willing to give up the management functions the Oppo provides. I intended to compare the virtues I perceive of surround LPCM and stereo DSD. I was surprised by the LF extension of DSD.

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