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I have been slowly piecing together what I would like for my stereo system. I am now looking for a good CD player with a budget of $400 and possibly could do $450. I have looked at some from emotiva and marantz and yamaha but I am not sure what to look for to make sure I am getting the best one for the money. Also what is the best way to connect it to my Yamaha A710?

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The Marantz CD5004 is a decent buy at $350. They have a demo at audioadvisor.com for $300. They have even cheaper prices at accessories4less for refurbished units. Of course, you could just burn your CDs and use a music server and your computer. wink.gif

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I have thought about just streaming but I also have a lot of CD's I don't have on my computer that it would be nice to play without having to spend the time and HD space burning them.

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I have been slowly piecing together what I would like for my stereo system. I am now looking for a good CD player with a budget of $400 and possibly could do $450. I have looked at some from emotiva and marantz and yamaha but I am not sure what to look for to make sure I am getting the best one for the money. Also what is the best way to connect it to my Yamaha A710?

The best way to connect a music player to an AVR is digitally. A digital connection makes the converters, etc. in the music player irrelevant, so players in the $100 price are applicable.

The alternatives add complexity and cost with no sound quality advantage.
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So at that point looking at the emotiva cd player that has balanced outputs wouldn't matter if I use digital?

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So at that point looking at the emotiva cd player that has balanced outputs wouldn't matter if I use digital?
So at that point, it wouldn't be any better than a $70 DVD player, because the DACs in the AVR are doing all the work.

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If I wanted to not go digital and possible add a DAC in the future what should I look for in a CD player?

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If I wanted to not go digital
Why do you want to do that?
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and possible add a DAC in the future
Why might you want to do that?

Neither will make your system sound better. The first might actually preclude some real improvement to sound quality. It's hard to advise you about how to go about doing something that doesn't make much sense.

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The Marantz CD5004 is a decent buy at $350. They have a demo at audioadvisor.com for $300. They have even cheaper prices at accessories4less for refurbished units. Of course, you could just burn your CDs and use a music server and your computer. wink.gif

I have this Marantz player, and it does a fine job using the analog outs. I'm using it that way with a headphone amp. As someone else noted, if you connect it to a receiver digitally, you will be using the DACs in the receiver instead of the ones in the player. Hard to say which will sound better--you'd have to compare them in your system.

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I'm very happy with a Harmon/Kardon HCD 990. I got it for around $400 on a deal.

If you use digital outs, all working transports will sound identical.
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Why do you want to do that?
Why might you want to do that?
Neither will make your system sound better. The first might actually preclude some real improvement to sound quality. It's hard to advise you about how to go about doing something that doesn't make much sense.

I meant to put if I want to go digital.

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So at that point looking at the emotiva cd player that has balanced outputs wouldn't matter if I use digital?

Yes. Balanced outputs relate only to analog.

There is no real world balanced output that has the low noise and distortion that we take for granted with digital.
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The Yamaha A710 is a mid range AVR. So it's not going to do as good a job at converting digital to analog as a good CD player would. On the other hand, I doubt it has a good enough pre amp or analog section to allow a component upstream to really sparkle. You might as well get a CD player with the idea of passing digital to the AVR.
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The Yamaha A710 is a mid range AVR.
Somebody else who thinks price is a technical spec.
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So it's not going to do as good a job at converting digital to analog as a good CD player would.
Sure it will.
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On the other hand, I doubt it has a good enough pre amp or analog section to allow a component upstream to really sparkle.
Source components are not supposed to "sparkle." They are supposed to deliver a clean signal to the receiver. And if you put a clean signal into a "mid range AVR," you will get a clean signal out.

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The phrase, "mid range AVR" is really not controversial, and I was not referring to cost. Everything else in your post is not worth bothering with a response.

To the OP, I would suggest taking all opinion with a grain of salt, too many people about here these days with some kind of axe to grind. Take your time, read up on things, and don't let people brow beat you(as some already have tried) into making a decision that they approve of.
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The phrase, "mid range AVR" is really not controversial
It should be. It's just audiophile bull
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and I was not referring to cost.
Funny!

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Have you tried it yourself?
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A nicely musical cd player either the Creek or Music Hall gear. Happy Listening!
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The Yamaha A710 is a mid range AVR. So it's not going to do as good a job at converting digital to analog as a good CD player would.

Speculation, or do you have reliable evidence to back that up?
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On the other hand, I doubt it has a good enough pre amp or analog section to allow a component upstream to really sparkle.

Can you quantify this "sparkle" thing?
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A nicely musical cd player either the Creek or Music Hall gear. Happy Listening!

Can you quantify "a nicely musical"?
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Speculation, or do you have reliable evidence to back that up?
Can you quantify this "sparkle" thing?

Please provide scientific evidence that proves your position, or it's just enthusiast guessing.
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Speculation, or do you have reliable evidence to back that up?
Can you quantify this "sparkle" thing?

Please provide scientific evidence that proves your position, or it's just enthusiast guessing.

Sorry guy, but you are the guy making claims. So, it is up to you to give your claims hands and feet or just let them die.

If there is an enthusiast guessing here, its not me because I'm an EE with over 40 years of experience, dozens and dozens of DBTs, test equipment in my back bedroom, the whole 9 yards.
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Trotting out your subjective experience is not evidence.

I assume you have no scientific evidence then?
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Trotting out your subjective experience is not evidence.

I assume you have no scientific evidence then?

DBTs are scientific evidence. I also measured test equipment bench tests which are also scientific.

What do you have beyond that highly scientific sounding "sparkle" thing? ;-)
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Since you obviously don't have any DBT on the matter at hand, that is AVR vs a good cd player performance, then I won't hold my breath that you can back up your subjective opinions with anything more than guesses.
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Since you obviously don't have any DBT on the matter at hand, that is AVR vs a good cd player performance, then I won't hold my breath that you can back up your subjective opinions with anything more than guesses.

You're the guy making the exceptional claim that despite the excellent technical performance of the AVR, there's something sonically missing.

If there is something missing, where its measured absence, what is it and where did it go?
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Just to see if I am understanding everything right so far. If I plan on using digital connectors and letting the avr doing the converting I should Just stick with a CD player that will play all of the CD formats I need. If not then the CD player becomes more important.

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Just to see if I am understanding everything right so far. If I plan on using digital connectors and letting the avr doing the converting I should Just stick with a CD player that will play all of the CD formats I need. If not then the CD player becomes more important.

You never mentioned formats? CDs have one format. Do you want a SACD player, DVD-A player, something to decode HDCD? None of this has been part of the conversation. A 70 dollar dvd player with optical or coax output will play CDs. If you want the other formats I've mentioned then start looking at universal players from Denon, Marantz, Pioneer, Yamaha, or Oppo. The cheapest starts around 399.
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Just to see if I am understanding everything right so far. If I plan on using digital connectors and letting the avr doing the converting I should Just stick with a CD player that will play all of the CD formats I need. If not then the CD player becomes more important.

Yes.
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You never mentioned formats? CDs have one format. Do you want a SACD player, DVD-A player, something to decode HDCD? None of this has been part of the conversation. A 70 dollar dvd player with optical or coax output will play CDs. If you want the other formats I've mentioned then start looking at universal players from Denon, Marantz, Pioneer, Yamaha, or Oppo. The cheapest starts around 399.
What I meant was purchased cds and also burned ones.

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