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Hello all,
My question seems simple enough to me... Can I do better than an Oppo 980 as a dedicated CD/SACD for a hundred bucks? I liked the option of running it via HDMI to my receiver since it appears to output SACD over HDMI. A friend of mine has one and likes it a lot though he only uses in in analog through his integrated amp. Obviously, I'm comfortable shopping the used market and am not in any hurry. Suggestions welcome!
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Pioneer 610 is a pretty good choice at the $100 price point.
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You CAN do better with more features (and less risk than older players) with a Blu-ray player that plays SACD and these are all around or below the $100 mark.

Pioneer BDP-140 (outputs 2CH PCM from SACD via SPDIF too, can be hacked region free BD and DVD)
Pioneer BDP-150 (ditto) $89.99
Sony BDP-S1100 $89.99 (all the Sony BDPs output the highest PCM sample rate 176.4kHz via HDMI)
Sony BDP-S3100 $99.99
and previous 3 years' Sony BDPs (too many to list)...

plus the above play SACD-R too.

Audiosceptics accept audio trials using 25 people. A recent Oxford study with over 353,000 patient records from 639 separate clinical trials shows for every 1,000 people taking diclofenac or ibuprofen there would be 3 additional heart attacks, 4 more cases of heart failure and 1 death every year.

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You CAN do better with more features (and less risk than older players) with a Blu-ray player that plays SACD and these are all around or below the $100 mark.

Pioneer BDP-140 (outputs 2CH PCM from SACD via SPDIF too, can be hacked region free BD and DVD)
Pioneer BDP-150 (ditto) $89.99
Sony BDP-S1100 $89.99 (all the Sony BDPs output the highest PCM sample rate 176.4kHz via HDMI)
Sony BDP-S3100 $99.99
and previous 3 years' Sony BDPs (too many to list)...

plus the above play SACD-R too.

Thanks for the suggestions. Where are you finding the Pioneer BDP-150 for that price?
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Maybe I should change my question to "Can I do better than a Sony BDP-S590 ($80) or an Oppo 980 (~$100) for CD and SACD playback?"

I currently use a Panasonic BMP210 that was a gift for my Bluray watching. The Sony could wind up being more convenient as it would eliminate the need for separate BD and CD players...

Does anyone else have any experience to share with players around this price point (new/used/refurbs)?

FWIW, the rest of the setup for stereo listening is Marantz SR5005 -> Rotel RB990 -> Totem Mite
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The oppo can play DVD-audio the Sony can not.
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Thanks for the suggestions. Where are you finding the Pioneer BDP-150 for that price?

Head over to the Blu-ray player Great Found Deals subforum...
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Does anyone else have any experience to share with players around this price point (new/used/refurbs)?

FWIW, the rest of the setup for stereo listening is Marantz SR5005 -> Rotel RB990 -> Totem Mite

There are player specific users threads in the BDP forum. I've not read anything about major reliability issues. I have a Sony S770 and a Pioneer 140: for CD and SACD (and BD/DVD) via HDMI they are both reliable. At these prices don't expect the build to be like a tank of high end players but they do work as advertised. Note the BDPs do not display the track number on the front display: it's a minor inconvenience but not a huge issue for me.

Audiosceptics accept audio trials using 25 people. A recent Oxford study with over 353,000 patient records from 639 separate clinical trials shows for every 1,000 people taking diclofenac or ibuprofen there would be 3 additional heart attacks, 4 more cases of heart failure and 1 death every year.

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I'm kicking myself for selling my Oppo 980H to partially fund my BDP-103. The latest firmware update removed the SACD-R capability and I'm currently trying to learn (unsuccessfully so far) to convert my SACD ISOs to DSD.mad.gif It's a great player for music and DVD.
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I'm kicking myself for selling my Oppo 980H to partially fund my BDP-103. The latest firmware update removed the SACD-R capability and I'm currently trying to learn (unsuccessfully so far) to convert my SACD ISOs to DSD.mad.gif It's a great player for music and DVD.

I kick myself for selling the Oppo BDP-83 to fund the 95. I wish I'd kept it for DVD playback. the 95 (and 105) don't come close to the upscaling job the 83 did.
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I'm kicking myself for selling my Oppo 980H to partially fund my BDP-103. The latest firmware update removed the SACD-R capability and I'm currently trying to learn (unsuccessfully so far) to convert my SACD ISOs to DSD.mad.gif It's a great player for music and DVD.
Is not that great, it's just mediocre. DAC portion relies on the CS4361 (6-ch, -93 dB THD+N equals 15 bit audio resolution). It doesn't have native DSD mode, so the SACD/DSD files are converted (by DSP) to PCM first.
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Is not that great, it's just mediocre. DAC portion relies on the CS4361 (6-ch, -93 dB THD+N equals 15 bit audio resolution). It doesn't have native DSD mode, so the SACD/DSD files are converted (by DSP) to PCM first.

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DSD - SACD DSD data is output over HDMI without any conversion. A receiver that supports HDMI v1.2a with DSD over HDMI is required. When this option is selected, the DVD player does not decode SACD audio, and its analog output is muted. Instead, the receiver is responsible for decoding the DSD data stream it receives over HDMI.
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That means that the OTHER device (receiver) can do the DSD decoding. It says nothing about the DSD decoding INSIDE their player.
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That means that the OTHER device (receiver) can do the DSD decoding. It says nothing about the DSD decoding INSIDE their player.

This is what I said I wanted initially. I'm not sure what you're trying to bring to the conversation here...

Do you have a suggestion for something better than "mediocre" in this price range that outputs DSD over HDMI -OR- has decent conversion within the player that would do a better job that what's inside my receiver?
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You quoted my statement about the DAC (analog connection) and needed PCM conversion but then you continue to talk about HDMI connection (digital)...
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Thanks for the suggestions. Where are you finding the Pioneer BDP-150 for that price?

 

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You CAN do better with more features (and less risk than older players) with a Blu-ray player that plays SACD and these are all around or below the $100 mark.

Pioneer BDP-140 (outputs 2CH PCM from SACD via SPDIF too, can be hacked region free BD and DVD)
Pioneer BDP-150 (ditto) $89.99
Sony BDP-S1100 $89.99 (all the Sony BDPs output the highest PCM sample rate 176.4kHz via HDMI)
Sony BDP-S3100 $99.99
and previous 3 years' Sony BDPs (too many to list)...

plus the above play SACD-R too.


the two sony players do not support the SACD layer of a hybrid disk.  only the cd layer of the SACD/CD disk.  along with these i have owned the newer s5200. it too only supports the CD audio.

 

i have called sony to confirm this.  sure they play SACD but again,  only CD...

 

here is a list of ps3's that will play SACD in its true form.  just make sure they havent been repaired as the replacement parts used in the fat ps3's are a newer model striped of its SACD support.

 

http://www.ps3sacd.com/faq.html#_Toc180147566

 

sorry for my bad typing.  both my shift keys have been eaten by my kitten.

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quote from sonys own website for the s5100 bluray player says this.  SA-CD (SA-CD/CD) : Yes

the updated s5200 player says this. SA-CD (SA-CD/CD) : Yes (CD part only)

 

so im wondering if a. there is mis information or b. they stripped sacd in the 5200 update...   anyways the pioneer 150 above would be a great choice for some dark side of the moon 5.1 goodiness.

 

 

my old comment was deleted but what it said was that the two sony players listed above in fact do not play back the SACD player of a hybrid disk.  if they even play the disk at all(i own the 3100) then they play the cd portion only.

 

 

 

i would love if my original post would show back up since its informative to this thread.

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Also informative to this thread:
The 5100 plays the SACD layer and outputs DSD via HDMI.
Refurbished PS3 "fats" don't have new internals that kill SACD playback.
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Also informative to this thread:
The 5100 plays the SACD layer and outputs DSD via HDMI.
Refurbished PS3 "fats" don't have new internals that kill SACD playback.

Do you own the 5100 to confirm this ? It would go against what the Sony call center told me. I can purchase the 5100 tomorrow as Walmart is making room for the 5200 model. The refurb parts I used for fat ps3s had different part numbers and users complained of dropped SACD support. Other repair shops did the same and used the same source for replacement parts.
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Yeah, I have the 5100. There is an option to output DSD and to choose the SACD layer for playback. It works.
As far as PS3s, most "refurbishment" involves more thermal paste and that doesn't impact SACD playback.
If you're swapping out all of the internals then all bets are off,I suppose.
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Okay thanks for the confirmation , looks like I'll be getting a new SACD player then. The original post above listing the 3100 should be fixed as that, as I can confirm does not play super audio.
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