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Popped for an Oppo 105 today. Balanced XLR to a Halo P5 preamp, output to an OTL amp driving Klipsch Forte's or Zu Druids in the mail. Looking to doing a proper set-up and then enjoying some good 'ole 2 channel soundstage.......
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Popped for an Oppo 105 today. Balanced XLR to a Halo P5 preamp, output to an OTL amp driving Klipsch Forte's or Zu Druids in the mail. Looking to doing a proper set-up and then enjoying some good 'ole 2 channel soundstage.......
I don't hear a difference between balanced and single-ended with my 105 and JC-2 BP. Parasound pads the XLR input so the level remains constant with switching, and that makes it easy to compare the two while a disc is being played. I can't tell when switching occurs. Oppo claims there is no difference (except for the 6 dB) and that seems to be true.

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I should have noted that the lack of difference is important to me, because the JC-2 BP has only two XLR inputs, and an Ayre C-5xeMP and JC-3 phono stage use those-- Ayre does recommend an XLR connection.

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I don't hear a difference between balanced and single-ended with my 105 and JC-2 BP. Parasound pads the XLR input so the level remains constant with switching, and that makes it easy to compare the two while a disc is being played. I can't tell when switching occurs. Oppo claims there is no difference (except for the 6 dB) and that seems to be true.

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That's good that you don't hear a difference. From an engineering perspective, there shouldn't be one. The XLR ins/outs should only be needed if/when you have a really long cable run, such as in studio environments. Most cable runs in homes are relatively short.

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According to the folks who I purchased it from,using XLR takes out the Halo DAC so only the OPPO DAC is used during playback for audio.
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Popped for an Oppo 105 today. Balanced XLR to a Halo P5 preamp, output to an OTL amp driving Klipsch Forte's or Zu Druids in the mail. Looking to doing a proper set-up and then enjoying some good 'ole 2 channel soundstage.......
You will enjoy your setup. I have something similar. I have the Oppo 105 and a Parasound A-21. But, I am now going to sell the Oppo and replace it with a Arcam CDS-27 (Their newly released CD player). I have decided to go more two channel and using the Oppo for cd play back when it can do so much more ( I am using a fraction of its capabilities) is kinda waste even though it performs and sounds wonderful. Heck, with my hearing everything sound good . :-) Another thing driving my decision is that I have no immediate need or desire to convert my CD collect to music files on my PC so dedicated CD player works for me. I will add a external DAC when I cross that bridge and use the CD player as the transport. Anyway, love Parasound products.
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According to the folks who I purchased it from,using XLR takes out the Halo DAC so only the OPPO DAC is used during playback for audio.
That seems incorrect to me, but my experience is entirely with Parasound's analog devices, the JC-2 BP and JC-3. I'd contact Richard Schram at Parasound. He's very helpful. If you're connecting an Oppo 105 to the Halo, it's unlikely to matter whether you use XLR or not.

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That's good that you don't hear a difference. From an engineering perspective, there shouldn't be one. The XLR ins/outs should only be needed if/when you have a really long cable run, such as in studio environments. Most cable runs in homes are relatively short.
That comports with what has been my understanding, but Ayre recommends using a balanced connection so that's what I use with the C-5xeMP. My understanding is that there are different implementations of balanced, so it's not a simple either or decision.

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That comports with what has been my understanding, but Ayre recommends using a balanced connection so that's what I use with the C-5xeMP. My understanding is that there are different implementations of balanced, so it's not a simple either or decision.
Unbalanced connections have a positive and a ground wire for carrying the current. Balanced connections have positive, negative and ground. The advantage of a balanced connection is that it rejects interference and ground loops better making it a better choice than unbalanced for reasonably long distances. For the short distances involved in home audio installations, it doesn't normally make any difference whether connections are balanced or unbalanced.

One of the characteristics of balanced connections is that they produce a 6 db higher level at the output so, all other things being equal, the balanced connection will play louder.

One of the "implementations" as you put it, is that many home audio components have balanced connectors but unbalanced circuitry inside. I have no idea how Ayre does it. But that implementation defeats the benefits of balanced audio connections. That may be but probably is not an issue for home audio.
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One of the "implementations" as you put it, is that many home audio components have balanced connectors but unbalanced circuitry inside. I have no idea how Ayre does it. But that implementation defeats the benefits of balanced audio connections. That may be but probably is not an issue for home audio.
The Ayre and Parasound units are said to be balanced from stem to stern. As with most things, details of implementation probably vary.

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The Ayre and Parasound units are said to be balanced from stem to stern. As with most things, details of implementation probably vary.

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Said to be? Whassat mean? Hopefully maybe?

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Said to be? Whassat mean? Hopefully maybe?
That means I haven't verified the claim, much as all CD/SACD players are said to sound alike, except I have more confidence in those who say their units are completely balanced.

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That means I haven't verified the claim, much as all CD/SACD players are said to sound alike, except I have more confidence in those who say their units are completely balanced.

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This information isn't available in the owner's manual or from the brand themselves?

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It was an example of blather.
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And the bullies show up again. Have you nothing better to do but make yourselves seem like adolescent jerks?

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And the bullies show up again. Have you nothing better to do but make yourselves seem like adolescent jerks?

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so folks who post up stuff you don't like to hear are bullies? me thinks some openmindedness and thicker skins on your part is in order.

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According to the folks who I purchased it from,using XLR takes out the Halo DAC so only the OPPO DAC is used during playback for audio.
If you connect a player to a preamplifier with a digital connection, the premp's DAC will do the conversion. If you connect it with an analog connection the player's DAC will get the job done. It isn't any more complicated than that.

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so folks who post up stuff you don't like to hear are bullies? me thinks some openmindedness and thicker skins on your part is in order.
You missed the point. I objected to pouncing on a turn of phrase as further evidence of bullying. I might understand the complaining about the use of passive voice if they were grammarians or members of the MLA, but, no, it was just willful misinterpretation.

Contrast this thread with the Oppo 105 owners' or Anthem tweakers' threads where you'll find helpful information rather than snarky comments.

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You missed the point. I objected to pouncing on a turn of phrase as further evidence of bullying. I might understand the complaining about the use of passive voice if they were grammarians or members of the MLA, but, no, it was just willful misinterpretation.

Contrast this thread with the Oppo 105 owners' or Anthem tweakers' threads where you'll find helpful information rather than snarky comments.

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So the comments you don't like are called snarky?
There are other forums that are contrast to this one and I'll bet that you will like them better.

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