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Hi,

I am running a desktop computer and have a few high res files. My motherboard will not support sampling multiples of 44.1 (88.2, 176.4).
The system sounds great via CD player but there is something missing when playing from my computer (currently via coax).

I have tried out a Stello U3 and it sounded fantastic. Improved bass definition and separation, slightly better transients. Was quite surprised at the difference as I thought it was mostly BS.

I was just wondering if there are any other suggestions. Have been looking at the Musical Fidelity V-Link192, Stello and possibly the Audiophilleo.

My system is Foobar2k > Bryston BDA-1 > PS Audio GCC250 > Dynaudio Countour S1.4 with Bryston interconnects and Nordost Blue Heaven speaker cables.

I live in NZ so a lot is not available. Just wondering if anyone else with the BDA-1 has done this.

Many thanks!
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Hi,

I am running a desktop computer and have a few high res files. My motherboard will not support sampling multiples of 44.1 (88.2, 176.4).
The system sounds great via CD player but there is something missing when playing from my computer (currently via coax).

I have tried out a Stello U3 and it sounded fantastic. Improved bass definition and separation, slightly better transients. Was quite surprised at the difference as I thought it was mostly BS.

Sighted evaluation, right?

Slow switching via cable swapping, right?
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Sighted evaluation, right?

Slow switching via cable swapping, right?

It was an improvement on standard 16/44.1 tracks, it's just that I have a few tracks that are 88.2 and it won't play them unless I let windows down sample.

Don't really care if I can hear a difference between 16/44.1 and 24/88.2.
It's more a combination of OCD and laziness.

The point is there was a noticeable difference on all tracks, and I was seeking advice on whether people had tried multiple USB to SPDIF converters.
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Just wondering if anyone else with the BDA-1 has done this.

Don't think there's too many members owning a BDA-1 here. Stuff like that is usually scoffed at.
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Thanks ThumbtackJack, looks like I have come to the wrong place.

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Sighted evaluation, right?

Slow switching via cable swapping, right?

It was an improvement on standard 16/44.1 tracks, it's just that I have a few tracks that are 88.2 and it won't play them unless I let windows down sample.

Don't really care if I can hear a difference between 16/44.1 and 24/88.2.
It's more a combination of OCD and laziness.

The point is there was a noticeable difference on all tracks, and I was seeking advice on whether people had tried multiple USB to SPDIF converters.

Attempt to change the topic from poor quality/amateur listening test procedures to the media noted. Pardon me while I avoid falling down into your rabbit hole.
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Thanks ThumbtackJack, looks like I have come to the wrong place.

The word science in the forum name should be a tip-off to people who actually know what Audio-Video Science is.
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The word science in the forum name should be a tip-off to people who actually know what Audio-Video Science is.
"Oz has spoken!"
Pompous, belligerent, and arrogant?
LOL, what a marvelous person ;-)
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The word science in the forum name should be a tip-off to people who actually know what Audio-Video Science is.
"Oz has spoken!"
Pompous, belligerent, and arrogant?
LOL, what a marvelous person ;-)

Looks like I may have struck a nerve when I suggested that some who pontificate here are poorly informed about the scientific aspects of audio. Or not. ;-)
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This is a thread about digital audio ArnyK. Not Projectors.

I am not all that interested in your ego, if you have nothing worth while inputting then there is plenty of other threads for you to post in.

Thank you RIKKITIK for showing there is maturity in these forums.

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I didn't know science specifically only applies to low-priced items.
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Thanks ThumbtackJack, looks like I have come to the wrong place.

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Thanks ThumbtackJack, looks like I have come to the wrong place.

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When buying a car, don't you test drive before deciding?

Point being that unlike certain things in audio, cars are usually really different. There isn't the one-dimension focus like we seem to have in audio, where everything is supposed to sound better and its almost like that is all that matters.
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Looks like he didn't test "drive" this forum before registering.
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The word science in the forum name should be a tip-off to people who actually know what Audio-Video Science is.

Well there really isn't all that much difference.
It seems there is an inherent problem whereas if it is a science you can't comprehend, you deem the need to dismiss it entirely.

Please refrain from posting any more off topic, inane comments in this thread.
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Well there really isn't all that much difference.
It seems there is an inherent problem whereas if it is a science you can't comprehend, you deem the need to dismiss it entirely.

Please refrain from posting any more off topic, inane comments in this thread.
You seem irritated by how things are on this forum. frown.gif In that case, there are other forums that are different. Would you like me to recommend some?
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You seem irritated by how things are on this forum. frown.gif In that case, there are other forums that are different. Would you like me to recommend some?

Post 1: USB to SPDIF converter
Post 3:"...I was seeking advice on whether people had tried multiple USB to SPDIF converters."

We've had seventeen posts to bicker back and forth and boost our ego's, but not a post actually addressing the OP's original question. Guess I'd feel a little irritated, too. frown.gif
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We've had seventeen posts to bicker back and forth and boost our ego's, but not a post actually addressing the OP's original question. Guess I'd feel a little irritated, too. frown.gif

You are ignoring the fact that the OP's alleged question was apparenly based on an assertion that is most likely false.

What to do when faced with a poor soul who believes in things that are probably false?
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We've had seventeen posts to bicker back and forth and boost our ego's, but not a post actually addressing the OP's original question. Guess I'd feel a little irritated, too. frown.gif
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So you bought a car without test driving and now complain because the ride isn't what you want? rolleyes.gif

Any more words you want to put in my mouth?
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Well despite my best efforts for a recommendation I have chosen to go with a Bryston BUC-1 when it is released as well as a Yamaha CD-S1000 for CD and SACD playback depending on how I feel.

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Sorry to join late, but I actually do have a suggestion - an Oppo BDP-105. It has USB input for streamed data, network connection (wired and wireless), 3 USB ports for local drives, SPDIF / Toslink, and HDMI input along with Sabre 32bit DACs and balanced outputs. So powerful and flexible that I am actually using it as my control center directly connected to amps - very minimal system.

You aren't the only one who can hear the difference between a low end CD player / AVR and a high end system, I can hear the difference too. I don't know if it is the 10x increase in power, 1/100 the distortion, the balanced connections, the better DACs, or all of these things combined but I can hear a difference. The one thing that I can actually prove is that there is a better noise floor. Full volume, disc player playing an all zero test track: System 1 - I can hear hiss from speakers at the primary listening position, System 2 - I cannot hear anything even with my ear right against the drivers.

System 1 (my garage system electronics): Sony CDP-315 CD player - analog outputs to Yamaha RX-495 2-Ch AVR - connected to my Paradigm Signature S4 speakers
System 2: (my 2-channel system) Oppo BDP-105 BD - balanced outputs to Bryston 4BSST2, connected to my Paradigm Signature S4 speakers

2-Ch (HT L/R): Oppo BDP-105 BD, Adcom GFP-750 pre, Bryston 10B Sub Xover, Bryston 4BSST2 / Paradigm Signature S4 v.2 (L/R), (2) SVS SB12-NSD (Subs)
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You aren't the only one who can hear the difference between a low end CD player / AVR and a high end system, I can hear the difference too. I don't know if it is the 10x increase in power, 1/100 the distortion, the balanced connections, the better DACs, or all of these things combined but I can hear a difference. The one thing that I can actually prove is that there is a better noise floor. Full volume, disc player playing an all zero test track: System 1 - I can hear hiss from speakers at the primary listening position, System 2 - I cannot hear anything even with my ear right against the drivers.

Apparently you want to start up the bickering again. Given the low level of the evidence you have provided, what we can really determine for sure is that you think that you can hear a difference. I don't think that you understand that if I do listening evaluations the informal way you probably do your listening evaluations, I hear differences all of the time, too. Problem is, the audible differences are related to the problems with informal evaluations, not any actual audible differences among the gear.

Since you haven't identified specific pieces of equipment, you really haven't said anything that actually has hands or feet. The controversy has never been about the lowest end equipment versus the highest end equipment, but rather about ones that meet certain reasonable standards for quality. I think that all you've really shown is that you don't have a very complete understanding of the issues that most of us are discussing.
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Apparently you want to start up the bickering again ... I think that all you've really shown is that you don't have a very complete understanding of the issues that most of us are discussing.

First, I actually had a suggestion for the OP - something that no one else had. Second, no bickering required - just my opinion that I can hear a difference between components with lower noise floor, lower distortion, and more power. I understand the issues just fine, I just don't happen to agree with you - no amount of science is going to change that.

I cannot hear the difference between interconnects, speaker wires, and other such tweeks, but I can hear the difference between better speakers (obviously) and to a lesser degree better preamps, DACs, and amplifiers. I didn't say that my budget system doesn't have a reasonable standard of quality (it sounds quite good for its modest quality and build), but better components sound better to me. And the main reason I have a system of separates isn't because I can prove they sound better (even though they do), it is because they are more flexible for future upgrades and allow me (not some AVR manufacturer) to decide how I want my system to work. AV isn't only a science, it is a hobby and the components I select support my interests.

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Apparently you want to start up the bickering again ... I think that all you've really shown is that you don't have a very complete understanding of the issues that most of us are discussing.

First, I actually had a suggestion for the OP - something that no one else had. Second, no bickering required - just my opinion that I can hear a difference between components with lower noise floor, lower distortion, and more power. I understand the issues just fine, I just don't happen to agree with you - no amount of science is going to change that.

Actually, any amount of science changes that. You've put yourself in a logic proof box, enjoy! ;-)
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Hi mtn-tech,

thanks for your input.

I tried the Oppo BDP-105 and it tarnished the results, it's good value for money but the bryston's USB is in fact better sounding despite using a 'lesser' technology. I find implementation tends to win against newer technology 9 times out of 10.

Ignore Arny K, he is just a forum troll.

I work with this gear 5 days a week and it is very apparent that different DACs and amplifiers give very different results with different speakers.
Despite most amplifiers having frequency responses of 1-100kHz +/- 0.1dB and unmeasurable levels of THD, there is a lot of other, very measurable specifications that play a vital role in signal reproduction.

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I work with this gear 5 days a week and it is very apparent that different DACs and amplifiers give very different results with different speakers.
That's what happens when you listen to gears at different volume levels. Even 2 of the same model will sound different if you listen like that.
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I tried the Oppo BDP-105 and it tarnished the results, it's good value for money but the bryston's USB is in fact better sounding despite using a 'lesser' technology. I find implementation tends to win against newer technology 9 times out of 10.

I have a high end DAC from the late 90's (Adcom GDA-700) and the Oppo's DACs are much better so I'm not surprised that the Bryston DAC is better yet. As you can see from my system, I use a Bryston 10B Sub crossover and a 4BSST2 amp to drive my mains and feed my subs. Bryston components are so revealing that I can hear issues in lesser recordings that I've never heard before but when playing an excellent recording they can bring it to a whole new level.

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