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Any suggestions on a high-quality CD Changer with a really great DAC?

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No need to worry about the DAC. They are all great in this day and age. Choose whatever you like.
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Your real challenge is finding such a thing as a new product. They have been largely supplanted by hard drive based music servers.
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.....or by Blu Ray players, few of which are changers.
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.....or by Blu Ray players, few of which are changers.

Evcen have their own web site:

http://blu-raychanger.com/
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I checked out that web site and found only one available changer from a vendor other than Sony (models from two more vendors are listed, but one of those has been discontinued and the other was apparently never released).

The available, non-Sony, blu-ray changer is:
Kaleidescape DV700 Disc Vault ($5495), "Insert your Blu‑ray Discs, DVDs and CDs and the DV700 Disc Vault automatically copies them onto your Kaleidescape System. Up to 320 discs can be loaded into the vault making it easy to add great content to your library." As this wording suggests, Kaleidescape is also a vendor of high-end hard drive based music servers.

http://www.kaleidescape.com/products/premiere/disc-vaults/dv700/
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Yes it is tough finding new obselete products. You might have to look for a used one.
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Yes it is tough finding new obselete products.

C'mon, show some respect for "the last of its kind" biggrin.gif
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You won't find any help on this site. It was hijacked by a bunch of people that will say that everything sounds the same, no need to buy nothing - except a Walmart Bluray player and the cheapest AVR.
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You won't find any help on this site. It was hijacked by a bunch of people that will say that everything sounds the same, no need to buy nothing - except a Walmart Bluray player and the cheapest AVR.

Can you provide quotes that state what you are saying here. Or is this another case of you not being able to comprehend what actually was said. You do have an uncanny knack of misquoting and putting words into other people's mouths.

Now show me where anyone said all you need is a Walmart bluray player and the cheapest avr?

I don't need snobs to tell me how to think, thank you!
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Can you provide quotes that state what you are saying here. Or is this another case of you not being able to comprehend what actually was said. You do have an uncanny knack of misquoting and putting words into other people's mouths.

Now show me where anyone said all you need is a Walmart bluray player and the cheapest avr?
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No need to worry about the DAC. They are all great in this day and age. Choose whatever you like.
@67 Jason: For me that means WHATEVER. Includes any Wallyworld crap like I said. Gosh... some cannot read.
And your 'god' Arnyk said something identical, I am just too lazy to look for it.
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No need to worry about the DAC. They are all great in this day and age. Choose whatever you like.
@67 Jason: For me that means WHATEVER. Includes any Wallyworld crap like I said. Gosh... some cannot read.
PS: Amplifier Output Details: 32 Watt - 4 Ohm - at 1 kHz - THD 10% - 4 channel(s) ( surround ) ¦ 32 Watt - 4 Ohm - at 1 kHz - THD 10% - 1 channel(s) ( center ) ¦ 40 Watt - 3 Ohm - at 100 Hz - THD 10% - 1 channel(s) ( subwoofer )
Stop making things up and stop trolling. If you have valid evidence from a non subjective viewpoint thing bring it.

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The more you respond, the more he will troll. You need to put him on permanent ignore.
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The more you respond, the more he will troll. You need to put him on permanent ignore.
I hear ya....the only thing is if we all ignore him then he will be free to post his baseless claims unchallenged. Not really fair to newbies/lurkers.
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I hear ya....the only thing is if we all ignore him then he will be free to post his baseless claims unchallenged.
And if you do respond, then he will be free to post his baseless claims yet again. Plus he'll have an excuse to do so. People like you trash this site just as much as people like him. Cut it out.

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Never intended to trash this site. Apologies if any of my posts or posting style has lead anyone to that conclusion. I will make efforts to restrain myself going toward.

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Never intended to trash this site. Apologies if any of my posts or posting style has lead anyone to that conclusion. I will make efforts to restrain myself going toward.

No problem, notice that I slipped up and got trolled yesterday.
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You won't find any help on this site. It was hijacked by a bunch of people that will say that everything sounds the same, no need to buy nothing - except a Walmart Bluray player and the cheapest AVR.

So this forum was a REAL audio forum before it was hijacked?


How can you say THIS






SOUNDS the same as THIS?? (Denon AVR)




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I recommend the OPPO-105.


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I recommend the OPPO-105.


Looking at the picture above, it looks to me like the circuit board has a lot more parts than it needs to. It's mostly analog I/O buffers that I can see. They are IC based and should have only a fraction as many parts as I see. There are probably a lot of parts that are not really needed.

Here is a picture of an efficiently designed I/O card with twice as many I/O buffers and both ADCs and DACs for 8 channels in and out:



Only a fraction the size, only a fraction as many parts, but it still has great performance. Built to professional standards, not audiophile eyewash.


But here is the big blooper in the post I am responding to:

The Oppo 105 is a changer?

I'll bet that is big news to Oppo as well as the rest of the audiophile community! ;-)
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You won't find any help on this site. It was hijacked by a bunch of people that will say that everything sounds the same, no need to buy nothing - except a Walmart Bluray player and the cheapest AVR.

So this forum was a REAL audio forum before it was hijacked?


How can you say THIS





SOUNDS the same as THIS?? (Denon AVR)




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The obvious answer is that the two devices you show can't possibly sound the same because one appears to be a headphone amp (can't drive speakers) with very limited power output and functionality (no video, no decoders, no Audyssey, no bass management), while the other is a full-function AVR that among other things, does all those things and drives speakers.

Here's some friendly advice - if you want to make a point with a comparison, compare apples to apples!
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Looking at the picture above, it looks to me like the circuit board has a lot more parts than it needs to. It's mostly analog I/O buffers that I can see. They are IC based and should have only a fraction as many parts as I see. There are probably a lot of parts that are not really needed.

Here is a picture of an efficiently designed I/O card with twice as many I/O buffers and both ADCs and DACs for 8 channels in and out:



Only a fraction the size, only a fraction as many parts, but it still has great performance. Built to professional standards, not audiophile eyewash.


But here is the big blooper in the post I am responding to:

The Oppo 105 is a changer?

I'll bet that is big news to Oppo as well as the rest of the audiophile community! ;-)




What is the bottom DAC?
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Arny, you got trolled again. You don't recognize Naim101?
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Arny, you got trolled again. You don't recognize Naim101?

I surely recognize Naim101, but unlike other trolls he actually brings up some issues that may need to be clarified for the lurkers and newbies.

He has truly spammed the conference with these photos, but I think storage is now cheap enough that a few large jpegs hurt nobody. ;-)
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Looking at the picture above, it looks to me like the circuit board has a lot more parts than it needs to. It's mostly analog I/O buffers that I can see. They are IC based and should have only a fraction as many parts as I see. There are probably a lot of parts that are not really needed.

Here is a picture of an efficiently designed I/O card with twice as many I/O buffers and both ADCs and DACs for 8 channels in and out:


What is the bottom DAC?

If you mean the ICE 1712 chip its a Via semiconductor ENVY chip that includes a PCI interface and some fairly simple DSP-like functions such as mixers and gain controls. It sits between the converters and the PC. Lots of people use 'em.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Envy

The converter chips that have AKM on them are industry standard chips that are widely used. You can look up their numbers on AKM's web site. The analog buffer chips are that golden-oldie but still competitive 5532. New high end gear still uses 'em.
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Thank you

Onkyo DXC390 6 Disc CD Player available on amazon.

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Onkyo DXC390 6 Disc CD Player available on amazon.

What do you know about the DAC?
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Why do you care? I thought that they are all 'great' this days...
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