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Old thread, new comment....Just tested out my HTPC that has LG branded BD/DVD drives...Going through a Marantz MM9000 (5ch x 150wrms amp and using a quality soundcard setup, this thing sounds as good as any high end, high priced CD unit i have heard in the past...
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Not to make this thread even more convoluted than it already is, what about the difference between PC CD/DVD/BD drives? Are there better ones and worse ones?
Again , I am taking about an audible difference while listening to music . Thanks.


No difference.


There lots of differences between many of the various drives in PCs, but they don't relate to sound quality. They are all read digitally and the error rates for playback are generally very low and correctable.

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Listen.

If you hear a difference, purchase the one that sounds better to you.

What gets me are the dueling viewpoints that either you're an idiot if you don't think so or you're a gullible moron if you do.
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Isn't that pretty much the same viewpoint? Agreed just buy what makes you happy.

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Listen.

If you hear a difference, purchase the one that sounds better to you.

What gets me are the dueling viewpoints that either you're an idiot if you don't think so or you're a gullible moron if you do.
Nothing wrong with that except that it is more accurate to say that if you see a difference, then that will cause an audible difference because of hearing bias. If you don't care, then buy the one that looks and sounds better to you. If you do care, then do a bias controlled comparison.
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I don't know if it was mentioned, but if you want a real good sound from any player-get an Oppo
93 or 105. no nonsense approach to real quality.
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To add a slight variation to the original question: would a typical (say Sony) DVD player, which supports CD-playback but is not expressly designed as an audio component, be comparable in sound to a dedicated audio CD player? My 1986 Pioneer CD player finally died after lasting a heroic length of time, but I have a spare DVD player which could theoretically take its place. But if it makes any difference I don't mind spending a bit on a"real" CD player if it would yield noticeably better sound quality. Thanks...
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To add a slight variation to the original question: would a typical (say Sony) DVD player, which supports CD-playback but is not expressly designed as an audio component, be comparable in sound to a dedicated audio CD player? My 1986 Pioneer CD player finally died after lasting a heroic length of time, but I have a spare DVD player which could theoretically take its place. But if it makes any difference I don't mind spending a bit on a"real" CD player if it would yield noticeably better sound quality. Thanks...
I own a nice dedicated CD player from a well-known audiophile brand. A friend of mine gave me his old Sony DVD player when he upgraded to a Blu-Ray player. I thought for sure I'd be able to tell a difference in sound between my CD player and his Sony DVD player. So I set up a test where the two were level-matched and both playing a copy of the same CD at the same time. I could switch back and forth between the two players going into my preamp. I couldn't tell the two apart, at all.

That doesn't mean every player will sound the same to every person, but it is consistent with reports others have given when they do level-matched comparisons like that. So the odds are the Sony DVD player you mention will sound just like a "real" CD player, ie, indistinguishable.

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I have an Ayre C-5xeMP, Oppo BDP-105, and Sony SCD-XA5400ES connected to a Parasound JC-2 BP via analog. The three units sound a bit different, all good, but the Ayre seems to have an edge on making me imagine a jazz or chamber group or a soloist is in the room. It's become my go-to stereo source, with vinyl reserved as a special treat. I'm sure my judgement can be criticized as not based on unbiased listening tests; so be it.

I used a Sony 9000ES CD/SACD/DVD player connected to the digital inputs of a Proceed PAV/PDSD pair for years that I thought sounded very good.

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I'm sure my judgement can be criticized as not based on unbiased listening tests; so be it.
It's not helpful to anyone, is it?
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It's not helpful to anyone, is it?
I thought it might be, so I don't agree with your snarky comment. How many of us do you think do double-blind listening tests? Do you? Or do you just not post your observations?

Sharing observations on audio threads is hazardous, because there are so many waiting to issue a zinger. Sorry I got carried away and posted.

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It's not helpful to anyone, is it?
It can be. It can explain to people that the motivation for choosing one player over another should be based on something other than sonics. That isn't helpful to you but it might be to others.
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I thought it might be, so I don't agree with your snarky comment.
You have the freedom to disagree, as do others.
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How many of us do you think do double-blind listening tests?
If you've been reading this forum, you would know. FYI, among the regular posters, there are some that have.
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Do you?
I have been through it.
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Or do you just not post your observations?
Not when it comes to sound quality of contemporary electronic audio gears.
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Sharing observations on audio threads is hazardous, because there are so many waiting to issue a zinger.
It can be hazardous to the poster's ego because he can be challenged by those who know better. It can also be hazardous to the readers because they can be fed bunch of useless info.
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Sorry I got carried away and posted.
Or you could've just deleted that post which would be more effective. Then I would've deleted my reply to that so that your post that I quoted won't show.
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It can be. It can explain to people that the motivation for choosing one player over another should be based on something other than sonics. That isn't helpful to you but it might be to others.
Ah! I didn't think about that. Sorry I got carried away and posted only on sonic perspective. It's audio forum so I just assumed...
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I have an Ayre C-5xeMP, Oppo BDP-105, and Sony SCD-XA5400ES connected to a Parasound JC-2 BP via analog. The three units sound a bit different, all good, but the Ayre seems to have an edge on making me imagine a jazz or chamber group or a soloist is in the room. It's become my go-to stereo source, with vinyl reserved as a special treat. I'm sure my judgement can be criticized as not based on unbiased listening tests; so be it.

I used a Sony 9000ES CD/SACD/DVD player connected to the digital inputs of a Proceed PAV/PDSD pair for years that I thought sounded very good.

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I would venture a guess that most people who compare three units in such a way would think they sound different. The thing is, that implies that the three units actually do sound different, but in reality all it means is that the comparison process was likely flawed.

I could make two of the exact same player, and design one with a 5% higher output level, and it would sound different than the other.

I could take two of the exact same circuit designs, with measured performance within strict tolerances, and put them in strikingly different-looking chassis, and the two units would likely sound different to many listeners in casual sighted comparisons.

The way in which a comparison is done matters.

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I would venture a guess that most people who compare three units in such a way would think they sound different. The thing is, that implies that the three units actually do sound different, but in reality all it means is that the comparison process was likely flawed.

I could make two of the exact same player, and design one with a 5% higher output level, and it would sound different than the other.

I could take two of the exact same circuit designs, with measured performance within strict tolerances, and put them in strikingly different-looking chassis, and the two units would likely sound different to many listeners in casual sighted comparisons.

The way in which a comparison is done matters.
Not for some audiophiles whose hearing is so damn good they don't need level matching or blind comparisons!

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I would venture a guess that most people who compare three units in such a way would think they sound different. The thing is, that implies that the three units actually do sound different, but in reality all it means is that the comparison process was likely flawed.

I could make two of the exact same player, and design one with a 5% higher output level, and it would sound different than the other.

I could take two of the exact same circuit designs, with measured performance within strict tolerances, and put them in strikingly different-looking chassis, and the two units would likely sound different to many listeners in casual sighted comparisons.

The way in which a comparison is done matters.
So I guess you need to have the comparison done by someone with a really good reference setup? Why don't professional reviewers come to the same conclusion about comparability of CD units, then - is it just professional suicide to point out that it's a waste of money spending more on high end CD players?
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Why don't professional reviewers come to the same conclusion about comparability of CD units, then - is it just professional suicide to point out that it's a waste of money spending more on high end CD players?
Yup. Their income source is based on deception. I even asked one of them 3 times about the issues (as he stated) of having higher measured noise level of some (cheaper) consumer electronics but he won't answer.
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