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post #31 of 52 Old 01-19-2014, 05:14 PM - Thread Starter
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I don't own a Sonos, so I can't advise on how to specifically set it up. To me it sounds as if its output might be set too low, if you are getting hiss, though I would have thought this less likely, as you say, if you've noticed the same when using its digital output. I would certainly advise sorting this issue out, rather than opting to go for another CD player.

Presumably you were comparing the same source material, ie the FLAC files compared with the same CD it was ripped from, and the CD player was playing the CDs 'naturally' without any special noise reduction feature switched on?

Not an output level issue. From above "The fact that this is happening with digital output practically eliminates the Sonos as the problem." Haven't done direct comparisons with the source CD. All ripped material has more noise than all CDs. No special settings on the CD player. I really haven't look at this closely - not critical right now. But it does need to get sorted out, and could be I don't need a CD Player.

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I have no idea what you mean by "optimal pathway." But if you want the best possible sound, you need four things:
1. Good speakers
2. Good room treatment
3. Good bass management
4. Good room correction



Start with the source, route the signal then amplify it then get it to the speakers.

Given the quality of modern digital players, AVRs,and amplifiers, the source and main electronics are pretty well slam dunks. They are still important but there isn't a whole lot to choose from them about.
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I don't own a Sonos, so I can't advise on how to specifically set it up. To me it sounds as if its output might be set too low, if you are getting hiss, though I would have thought this less likely, as you say, if you've noticed the same when using its digital output. I would certainly advise sorting this issue out, rather than opting to go for another CD player.

Presumably you were comparing the same source material, ie the FLAC files compared with the same CD it was ripped from, and the CD player was playing the CDs 'naturally' without any special noise reduction feature switched on?

Not an output level issue. From above "The fact that this is happening with digital output practically eliminates the Sonos as the problem." Haven't done direct comparisons with the source CD. All ripped material has more noise than all CDs. No special settings on the CD player. I really haven't look at this closely - not critical right now. But it does need to get sorted out, and could be I don't need a CD Player.

There's something wrong with the story above, because the very best that a CD being played back on a good CD player can be is identical to a ripped wav file from the same CD. The digital output of a good CD player must be and is bit-identical with the same CD ripped with good PC software. Ditto for FLACs. I've tested this in the lab and its true.
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There's something wrong with the story above, because the very best that a CD being played back on a good CD player can be is identical to a ripped wav file from the same CD. The digital output of a good CD player must be and is bit-identical with the same CD ripped with good PC software. Ditto for FLACs. I've tested this in the lab and its true.
I don't disagree, and that's my point. There's no question the data is the same. Something is introducing noise.

The analog output from different sources will not be the same. Hard to know when there's an audible difference.

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Given the quality of modern digital players, AVRs,and amplifiers, the source and main electronics are pretty well slam dunks. They are still important but there isn't a whole lot to choose from them about.

Since Mcnarus will not answer, let me ask you to be specific.

I start with an OppO 103 as a source, what avr do you recommend? What amp/amps?

2.2 audio is the desired result. The speakers lets say are Focal 918 and the subs SVS SB-2000.

BTW, I already took my Nad CD player out of my system as you suggested.

The Oppo is just fine.

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I did answer you. See Post #19.

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I did answer you. See Post #19.

That was an answer to a question I did not ask.

I asked you to start with the source, route the signal then amplify it then get it to the speakers.

In a 2.2.

What source? What AVR or pre and amplification.

You were going to improve the sound by not using traditional stereo pathways.

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So from this:
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Explain to me what you believe to be the optimal pathway for state of the art sound in a 2.2 system today.
I'm supposed to get this:
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I asked you to start with the source, route the signal then amplify it then get it to the speakers.

In a 2.2.

What source? What AVR or pre and amplification.
?

You must think me a mind reader.

Besides, I told you what an optimal system requires:
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1. Good speakers
2. Good room treatment
3. Good bass management
4. Good room correction
If that doesn't answer your question (whatever it is), then you're asking the wrong question.

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Given the quality of modern digital players, AVRs,and amplifiers, the source and main electronics are pretty well slam dunks. They are still important but there isn't a whole lot to choose from them about.
I would agree that the hardware & playback firmware quality of modern digital players are pretty much a given. However, there's certainly a general problem with the control software provided with many of these devices, so this is what actually would ultimately determine their choice for many.
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So from this:
I'm supposed to get this:
?

You must think me a mind reader.

Besides, I told you what an optimal system requires:
If that doesn't answer your question (whatever it is), then you're asking the wrong question.

Follow the thread, it us clear what I am asking.

I don't think you are a mind reader, quite the opposite, you have a hard time following a simple chain.

You can't seem to identify this magical pathway sound must travel to be anointed.

Peace brother, I give up with you.

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You can't seem to identify this magical pathway sound must travel to be anointed.
That's because there is no such thing. Perhaps you have misunderstood what this thread discussion has been about?

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That's because there is no such thing. Perhaps you have misunderstood what this thread discussion has been about?

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???

Like I said, you have no clue to what this thread has been about.

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???

Like I said, you have no clue to what this thread has been about.

yeah, that's it

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Good, We finally agree.

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Good, We finally agree.

Yeah, now I need to learn to insult posters here like you do.

One big difference, I can answer challenging questions.

and

I have the confidence to say "I don't know" if I don't. You are not like that, you are a dancer!

not a bad trait in some circles

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I have the confidence to say "I don't know" if I don't.
But you didn't ask a question I didn't know the answer to. You asked a question that wasn't clear. And when I said it wasn't clear, you never rephrased the question.

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But you didn't ask a question I didn't know the answer to. You asked a question that wasn't clear. And when I said it wasn't clear, you never rephrased the question.

omg, i sure as heck did

arny answered it no problem,

I wanted specifics from YOU

now you are just trolling

please stop

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omg, i sure as heck did
I'm from Missouri. Show me.
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arny answered it no problem,
Really? Here's the way you began post #35, addressed to Arny:
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Since Mcnarus will not answer, let me ask you to be specific.
Arny has not posted in this thread since. I really think your grasp of this thread is nonexistent.
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I wanted specifics from YOU
Specifics about what?

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I'm from Missouri.

why am I not surprised?

Go troll elsewhere.

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Sure. Just stop making allegations you can't back up.

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Interesting thread...lots of philosphical audio stuff in there. So OP, did you decide on or pick up a CD player? If you like your old player so much I think it might be in your interest to fix it or buy another one on Ebay. Other than that, I've heard good things about the NAD C 516BEE and I believe it is a reasonable price like <$300 USD.
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