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what is a good DSD and SACD player for less than $1500?

I am trying to find the spec. of Pioneer PD-70, but even w/ the google search engine, I can't find the pioneer elec. web site that allows me to read more about this player.

Some other player, plays DSD, but does not seems to support SACD, for e.g.:

TEAC PD-501HR says it does NOT support SACD

http://audio.teac.com/product/pd-501hr/specifications/

so the only ones left is the Pioneer PD-50 or PD-70, which supports SACD, but since I can't see the spec., don't know if the drive can play DSD disc

There is the Sony XA5400ES or the XE800, but those are 7 yr. old and I can't find the spec. of it neither.

any suggestion?
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Sony has a new media player coming out soon that does the whole array of audio from CD to high-res digital downloads and everything in-between. It was shown off at CES.
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the oppo is a bit "vague", on the DSD part. After I post the above, I found this from Pioneer:

http://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/eu/node/191

You can see under "PLayback Media / format""

it explicitly said SACD
DSD disc

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because DSD is a technology, and a disc format.

So Oppo didn't explicitly said it can read DSD disc

anyhoo, being too lazy to start another thread, what is decoding the disc signal? the SACD / DSD player or the DAC (I use Emotiva)

how does that work?
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the oppo is a bit "vague", on the DSD part. After I post the above, I found this from Pioneer:

http://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/eu/node/191

You can see under "PLayback Media / format""

it explicitly said SACD
DSD disc

============

because DSD is a technology, and a disc format.

So Oppo didn't explicitly said it can read DSD disc

anyhoo, being too lazy to start another thread, what is decoding the disc signal? the SACD / DSD player or the DAC (I use Emotiva)

how does that work?
I have an Oppo 93 and a modest (not huge, but does include hybrid/multichannel/dsd discs) collection os SACDs. The Oppo has played everything I've thrown at it.

There is an option in the setup to bitstream audio to the receiver, or to decode on the player and output PCM.

There is generally a high customer satisfaction with the Oppos, excellent support, and a decent ROI when the next models come out & people sell/upgrade. I've heard of very few people being disappointed with their purchase.

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I agree the Oppo is a very good quality player. I have re-read that 2nd link. It clearly shows "it supports the DSD signals" but there is no spec. that shows it supports DSD disc

You see, any CD player can play SACD or DSD disc, it's just that it won't decode the "extra" w/i SACD or DSD disc that's all.
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I think any of the Sony blu-ray players will play SACD/DSD and their advantage over the Oppo is that the Sony plays SACD in PCM at 176.4 whereas the Oppo plays SACD in PCM at 88.2. Look for the Sony player that can play DSD through its HDMI output. Many can be purchased in the $100.00 range.
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I agree the Oppo is a very good quality player. I have re-read that 2nd link. It clearly shows "it supports the DSD signals" but there is no spec. that shows it supports DSD disc

You see, any CD player can play SACD or DSD disc, it's just that it won't decode the "extra" w/i SACD or DSD disc that's all.
The Oppo 103 and 105 will play the dsd layer of a SACD and can output the dsd audio as bitstream digital or PCM. The 103/105 can also play dsd files in either .dsf or .dff formats from an attached external drive.
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I have an Oppo 103-D and as Poochpa says it will play back the DSD layer on a SACD over HDMI and also playback DSD downloads.You need to go in to the set up menu and choose how you want to play back the discs. I also have a Sony model, can't remember which one, that will play DSD from a SACD over HDMI. Keep in mind that whatever pre pro or AVR you are feeding has to be able to handle it. To me the biggest advantage the Oppo has over the Sony is the inclusion of analog outputs. If your pre- pro or AVR does not jhandle DSD over HDMI and you have analog jacks you can use them. I'm not sure the Sony will handle a DSD file from a USB drive or a HDD.
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I agree the Oppo is a very good quality player. I have re-read that 2nd link. It clearly shows "it supports the DSD signals" but there is no spec. that shows it supports DSD disc

You see, any CD player can play SACD or DSD disc, it's just that it won't decode the "extra" w/i SACD or DSD disc that's all.

Most CD players will NOT play SACD discs.

Some "dual" SACD discs also have a regular CD layer in them that can be read by regular CD players, but a disc that is SACD only will be unreadable.
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I am trying to find the spec. of Pioneer PD-70, but even w/ the google search engine, I can't find the pioneer elec. web site that allows me to read more about this player.

Some other player, plays DSD, but does not seems to support SACD, for e.g.:

TEAC PD-501HR says it does NOT support SACD

http://audio.teac.com/product/pd-501hr/specifications/

so the only ones left is the Pioneer PD-50 or PD-70, which supports SACD, but since I can't see the spec., don't know if the drive can play DSD disc

There is the Sony XA5400ES or the XE800, but those are 7 yr. old and I can't find the spec. of it neither.

any suggestion?

The OPPO BDP-103 is only $499 from OPPO, and it will read and play ANYTHING!!!
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I agree the Oppo is a very good quality player. I have re-read that 2nd link. It clearly shows "it supports the DSD signals" but there is no spec. that shows it supports DSD disc

You see, any CD player can play SACD or DSD disc, it's just that it won't decode the "extra" w/i SACD or DSD disc that's all.
It's SACD, not DSD disc. DSD is the file format SACD use. CD players can only read the redbook [PCM] layers of hybrid SACDs. Oppo players are playing SACDs for about 10 years now. The current crop of BD players can also playback DSD downloads via USB. They can decode, or passthrough to a downstream device. It won't get any more versatile than this. I don't know what specs you re looking for, but they play all currently available discs that labeled "SACD" period.

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Get the Oppo. Depending on your other equipment the 105 may be worth the jump.
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It's SACD, not DSD disc. DSD is the file format SACD use. CD players can only read the redbook [PCM] layers of hybrid SACDs. Oppo players are playing SACDs for almost 15 years now. The current crop of BD players can also playback DSD downloads via USB. They can decode, or passthrough to a downstream device. It won't get any more versatile than this. I don't know what specs you re looking for, but they play all currently available discs that labeled "SACD" period.
I know that. And that's good, but as I said, I need a player that specifically play DSD disc, not just decode DSD format, in this case, the Pioneer PD-50 or PD-70 does the job
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I know that. And that's good, but as I said, I need a player that specifically play DSD disc, not just decode DSD format, in this case, the Pioneer PD-50 or PD-70 does the job
And who sells such discs to begin with? I had to do a search and came up pretty empty. DSD discs are basically DSD image without Sony's DMR and encoding. No wonder there is virtually no support for them.

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And who sells such discs to begin with? I had to do a search and came up pretty empty. DSD discs are basically DSD image without Sony's DMR and encoding. No wonder there is virtually no support for them.
I have hundreds of CD albums in DSD

http://www.yesasia.com/us/search/dsd...h_TW/list.html
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That explains quite a bit.

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I have hundreds of CD albums in DSD

http://www.yesasia.com/us/search/dsd...h_TW/list.html
Those are just CDs remastered using DSD technology. I don't know about the DSD CDs originating from China, but there are legitimate CDs remastered with DSD coming out of Hong Kong (Hong Kong Sony Music is one of 5 Sony Music divisions around the world with its own DSD remastering facilities, which provide remastering services to HK Universal Music and HK Warner Music). Domestically, US Sony Music remastered many Elvis Presley album using DSD, along with its CBS Masterworks titles.

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and those are the ones I bought: DSD from HK, Germany and Japan.

I don't buy any music CD from china.

So, besides Pioneer or Sony, I don't know any other brand who actually have players that plays actual DSD disc
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I would recomend the Sony XA5400ES if you can find one. I picked one up on ebay for $900 and it is an incredible cd/sacd player. To my ears it is just a tad better than my Oppo 103D with sacd and way better playing cd's.

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So, besides Pioneer or Sony, I don't know any other brand who actually have players that plays actual DSD disc
My Ayre C-5xeMP plays DSD, and it sounds superb. I don't know if they have any current players that do, though.
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I would recomend the Sony XA5400ES if you can find one. I picked one up on ebay for $900 and it is an incredible cd/sacd player. To my ears it is just a tad better than my Oppo 103D with sacd and way better playing cd's.
YOur Sony come out in 2008, and I wonder if it's better than the Pioneer PD-70 or PD-50, which came out 2012.

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I am trying to find the spec. of Pioneer PD-70, but even w/ the google search engine, I can't find the pioneer elec. web site that allows me to read more about this player.

Some other player, plays DSD, but does not seems to support SACD, for e.g.:

TEAC PD-501HR says it does NOT support SACD

http://audio.teac.com/product/pd-501hr/specifications/

so the only ones left is the Pioneer PD-50 or PD-70, which supports SACD, but since I can't see the spec., don't know if the drive can play DSD disc

There is the Sony XA5400ES or the XE800, but those are 7 yr. old and I can't find the spec. of it neither.

any suggestion?
Yes, Oppo BDP-105 → Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread
• Bonus: http://www.stereophile.com/content/n...vMxR5iwHXPZ.97

Other reads of interest:

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/arti...dsd-downloads/
http://www.head-fi.org/products/ques.../reviews/11230
Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread => Read the full page.
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...-discs.224579/ => Read the full thread, it's only two pages.

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• SACD - The BDP-105 plays Super Audio CD (SACD) and supports both stereo and multi-channel high resolution audio programs. Users can select whether to output the DSD (Direct Stream Digital) signal in its native format or convert it to PCM.

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I check that 1 out already, it doesn't support DSD disc format
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I check that 1 out already, it doesn't support DSD disc format
Bummer! And I thought that the Oppo 105 was a universal and versatile CD/SACD/DSD/HDCD/DVD-Video & Audio/BR-Video & Audio player.
And it doesn't play UHD Blu-ray discs either. But that one (true 4K) is coming up in their next replacement...later on this year or next...depending of the popularity of the new 4K UHD BR discs (it's the new wave, the new rage, where the money is all emphasized, for the studios and manufacturers, plus the stocks/investments...market).

Then for your DSD discs get this one (that you already mentioned above): http://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/eu/node/191

Because the latest Oppo players (105 & 103) missed few formats here: https://www.oppodigital.com/hra/dsd-by-davidelias.aspx

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And I thought that the Oppo 105 was a universal and versatile CD/SACD/DSD/HDCD/DVD-Video & Audio/BR-Video & Audio player.
YOu think incorrectly. There is no DSD above.

There is no DSD on that spec.

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-b...-Features.aspx

look under Diversified Media Support as well as Additional Disc & Media Formats -

You see the word DSD disc format anywhere?
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I am still trying to figure out what is a DSD disc.
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YOu think incorrectly. There is no DSD above.

There is no DSD on that spec.

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-b...-Features.aspx

look under Diversified Media Support as well as Additional Disc & Media Formats -

You see the word DSD disc format anywhere?
That's because it's typically referred to as SACD.

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no, similar but not quite. SACD has DSD encoding build in. But DSD disc is not the same as SACD disc
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